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There is also the option of the Skoda Enyaq EV which will probably find its way onto Motability as the base model is below £35,000 – at least Skoda know how to do flat boots and flat folded rear seats which is something VW seem incapable of doing on the ID 4.
I am not sure that there will be enough models allocated to the UK, especially considering the demand, so I would be very surprised if they appear on Motability (sigh). They are both great cars.
Hopefully what will be on Motability though will be the new Kona, Niro and Sportage 🙂
@Oscarmax – is your PHEV the 2.0L or 2.4L engine?
@Oscarmax – thanks for the stats, I remember seeing them before now! This ties in roughly with a YouTube reviewer who said he was getting 40-45mpg on average if he didn’t charge – which is really good – and I think that was on the pre-2020 model.
I am sooooooooooo temped by the Outlander PHEV Dynamic Safety (I didn’t realise that the Safety pack added LED lights which is even more tempting).
@Des – I think thats a great choice. We are in the same situation, we are extending our lease another year and will choose an EV next year; fed up of oil price manipulation and this way we do our bit for the environment as well as helping to bring down the oil industry – win win 🙂
@Intranicity – thanks for that. It’s still on the list then, I suppose the only way would be to go and try it 🙂
@Intranicity – yes, I just realised I looked at the non-EV version, gutted, as I was quite surpised that the EV had a boot of 374L – which it doesn’t. Back to the drawing board.
I do like the Kona and the newer update looks even smarter, the only drawback is the boot, its 374L which is not bad for the size of the car (and it is actually a lot bigger than the new MG Marvel R which has a pathetic boot space of 350L) – the Kona boot could be a struggle for the wheelchair?
Thanks for the replies – I was wondering if this had been discussed before, I did a “search” but I didnt see the previous discussion.
Can we all just call Motability and let them know how disappointed we are with the lack of EV’s coming onto the scheme. There are plenty of “old” models that come onto the scheme when new models are appearing – then they fob them off onto motability customers quite willingly (and with AP’s).
We need EV’s that have big enough boots to get wheelchairs and scooters in that deliver a decent mileage to prevent anxiety and give a bit of wiggle room over when to charge when you find yourself on a long drive.
Motability is really failing here – big time.
PS – isnt it discrimination that we do not have access to these EV’s on the scheme? I think it is.
I will add to the above that the EV Database in some instances might provide a more realistic EV range – this gives a realistic range for the ID.3 1st 58kWh battery of about 215 miles, so you can get some big variations especially depending on the weather.
Here’s the link to the ID.3 on the site:
https://ev-database.uk/#sort:path~type~order=.rank~number~desc|make-checkbox-dropdown:pathGroup=.volkswagen|range-slider-range:prev~next=0~600|range-slider-bijtelling:prev~next=0~600|range-slider-acceleration:prev~next=2~23|range-slider-fastcharge:prev~next=0~1100|range-slider-lease:prev~next=150~2500|range-slider-topspeed:prev~next=60~260|paging:currentPage=0|paging:number=9
@RachelK – my reply was just relating to those than can work it out but maybe do not know how to, I appreciate that some forum members will find your post very helpful 🙂
The ID.3 does have glitchy software and many reviewers picked up on this, an update is due (or has very recently happened). The software will be fixed for the ID.4. Also positive about many new EV’s as well is that software/firmware updates now happen over the air waves automatically and you do not have to take the car into the dealership.
With regards mileage there are independent WLTP mileage figures which are the ones to look at. From what I have seen from online reviewers VW (and possibly other manufacturers) are overestimating by at least 10%, however, as EV’s are now in the 250-300+ mile range and the infrastructure of charging points is growing daily, I do not see this as a major issue – irritating, but not a deal breaker.
I prefer the ID.3 to the ID.4 – just a shame about the boot space. I don’t think VW have got the boot right in the ID.4 either – why cant they do level boot space – especially when the rear seats are folded as well and especially when Skoda can do it? I would expect more from a new EV platform.
I know it won’t be the UK and Europe as leaders, and probably not the USA, you only have to look at who is leading the World technologically and economically and production wise. It may not necessarily be Hyundai though, it could possibly be a Chinese company (with a projected 2billion population – compare that to the UK of 60 million, with the EU half that of China).
I think you may also get a two-tier system developing with Europe/UK v China/Asia; with the best models with the best technology being in China/Asia. We can see with the allocation of models by Hyundai to Europe of its Ioniq 5 – it was about 3,000 models to the whole of Europe; Europe is not seen as a large market or worth the hassle and as the incomes grow in China and Asia then they will have more buying power to justify companies focussing production in these new areas.
Europe will probably keep trading barriers high to protect its own car industry, which will not be able to compete with the likes of China in 10 years time. Germany has only marginally been capable of competing due to it being in the Euro.
I thought it was a simple calculation? Simply multiply your electricity price £/kWh cost by the kWh of charge. To keep it easy, if your electricity provider charged you 10p per kWh (I wish) and you had to fully charge a 50kWh battery then that is 10p x 50 = £5.00
I suppose it depends which “predicted” price list you see. I saw one recently that put the 2wd 63kWh at below £40k.
It will be interesting to see how things go, with so many EV’s coming out at the end of this year it may not be until next year that the prices reduce (as new models come out) and they appear on the motability list. For the sake of a few more months I am willing to wait and see what happens.
This car is in my list. I think there is a possibility that the smaller 63kWh battery model would at least appear; I think I am being too hopeful though for the AWD 87kWh to appear?
@MB5 – this is why we are extending our lease another year (with the ability to start another lease anytime during that year) – there are so many EV’s coming out at the end of this year.
I have looked at the ID.3 which is very tempting but the boot is too small (about 375L?) I don’t know why they made it that small with all the extra room they have on the EV platform, especially as they have a “tourer” version.
I have my eye on the Kia EV6, Hyundai Ioniq 5, Nissan Ariya and VW ID.4 – I expect possibly only the ID. 4 and the Nissan Ariya will be available on Motability, I have seen some price specs for the Ariya at under £40,000 (just) but these are the shorter range models.
It’s worth considering extending for another year.
I have a Faraday pouch, bought it cheaply off ebay. The problem some people have is that they do not put the keys in the inner pouch but instead place the keys on the outside inner pouch. The pouch is also good to carry around and put credit cards in as well for protection from mobile phone NFC attacks.
It’s easy to check if the puch is working just put your keys in and approach your car and the usual functions should not be available.
Its worth the few pound to have a nice leather wallet/pouch.
Thanks everyone, some useful info I did not know, it’s always good to be prepared before I call motability.
The lease does not end until September but we have decided that we like the look of a lot of new EV’s coming out the end of this year such as the Nissan Ariya and Kia EV 6. Whether they will be on motability is another question but by extending at least one more year that would take us into September 2022 and there must be many more EV’s by then.
@mitch – thanks, I was wondering about the gcb, that would be very useful having an extra full year.
It’s funny though as I thought the gcb would have declined if you had the vehicle longer as it would do more mileage and there would be more wear and tear.
@Oscarmax – thanks for the advice, I would indeed go for the Dynamic Safety, I am disappointed that the Exceed Safety is not available.
I am thinking of just extending another 12 months as I am very interested in an all EV vehicle now that they are beginnning to reach the 300 mile range before recharge, I will probably at least sit things out until Q3 price list and see if anything tempts me, my 3 year lease is up September this year so no rush yet.
Thanks for your help and advice again 🙂
@Oscarmax – thanks for that, I have also just read that it is very unlikely to be so as the car has not been “homologated” yet – you learn something new everyday 🙂
@Oscarmax – great advice thank you. I can see from all of the control options that there might be certain settings you can utilise to maximise mileage depending upon certain factors. Over 100mpg sounds fantastic and ties in with a lot of other advice I have read.
The prices on motability at the moment are very tempting. I assume it is becuse there is a new model out and that these will no longer be available in the UK.
I suppose this raises the issue of servicing as I have not looked into this yet and am a bit concerned that current Mitsubishi dealers might not be open or available in a year or twos time.
@Oscarmax – are you happy with your Outlander PHEV choice? Have you noticed any “deal breakers” that might have changed your mind had you known, or it is just those little things that moset cars tend to have?Thanks
