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Personally speaking, I’ve had 4 from mb, as a direct result of the black box it’s my last.
Yes tesla take telemetry from the vehicle, so do many others also.
However the telemetry taken by the manufacturers is for the vehicle maintenance, handling, efficiency and wear and tear. It’s not officially to spy on you, to much big brother for me.
It’s a bit of a non-sequitur anyway.
The issue isn’t data collection itself (regardless of how much that matters to individuals), it’s that one WILL lead to you losing your car, and the other doesn’t.
There is no argument to be had on that front. While Teslas are data-hogs, more so than others, most of it is anonymised, and you can opt out of a lot of it. But even if you couldn’t, it won’t mark your driving down based on absolute asinine reasons, requiring you to constantly call MB and correct the errors.
One just needs to read through the experiences with the app to see how many false flags it throws.
In the end, most of what the Tesla can collect of me that’d be of any kind of importance to me is already collected by google anyway. While i’m not happy about it, it doesn’t affect my day to day life at all, so.. whatever. Certainly do not have the will nor capacity to constantly check what is collecting what and adjust my life and purchases around it. You’ll not get around it anyway. If it’s not your Tesla tracking your driving, it’s your Phone tracking your locations and behaviour – if it’s not your phone, it’s your energy provider tracking when you’re at home/likely to use more electricity, etc pp.
It is what it is.
Prior: SEAT Ateca Xcellence Lux 1.5 TSI DSG MY19, VW Golf GTE PHEV DSG MY23
Current: Hyundai Ioniq 6 Ultimate
Next: we'll see what's available in 2028.The interest free credit is a massive bonus on this deal. I had a look at new Model Y financing from Tesla.
60 months 10k miles per year
Deposit £7150
Monthly £299
Final payment £16983
Add to this around £8k off if you need adaptions as Mrs Joe does and it gets even better.
Enyaq EV
I’m with Rene. You can’t fight it and TBF you’re part of it regardless, because if you don’t hand information over your excluded from so much. Here’s two examples. Last night in Asda as I was heading for the exit I noticed a big video screen above the door. It had a very clear image of me and a green box around my head. Today my other half couldn’t get out of Lidl without a receipt to scan at the barrier lol.
I’ve nothing to hide and prefer a simpler life. It’s when they want to insert a chip in me that I will… Actually they all ready have. Got my ICD box changed a few weeks ago and they give me a Samsung smart phone to record my heartbeat lol. Hmm I wonder what else it is recording from me.
Come to think about it a saw a documentary a while ago where a guy in England was getting done for rape and murder and he was f’d. Especially when just after the crime he claimed he just lost his phone and other evidence linked him. While on remand his phone turned up and give enough evidence of pictures and data location to prove he was not the scum bag.
24 hours in police custody I think. Same show the other night a guy murdered he flat mate and it was watts app messages and a recording of him at work that nailed him. That show was good, sad but good.
Last night’s show was good as well. But he was a hateful bassa, absolute scum bag. And he got away with it for 11 years, if it was todays tech he wouldn’t have got away for 11 days. So has very good uses.
Just don’t Google William and clothes pegs and your ads will be fine. lol
Any way slightly off topic while just slightly on it.
Please be aware if you lose you PIP or the lease hold dies the debt still stands.
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
Please be aware if you lose you PIP or the lease hold dies the debt still stands.
If you are dead…..
You are not going to be worrying about the debt are you??
If you lose pip, you lose your motability car anyway?
4 red lights on the black box an you get kicked off the scheme.
Please be aware if you lose you PIP or the lease hold dies the debt still stands.
If you are dead….. You are not going to be worrying about the debt are you?? If you lose pip, you lose your motability car anyway? 4 red lights on the black box an you get kicked off the scheme.
Full aware of the drive smart box, however, if you lose you PIP on a lease you are still saddled with a debt or your wife/estate if you die.
We may consider a Tesla lease , however we are reserves if it goes tits up.
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
Please be aware if you lose you PIP or the lease hold dies the debt still stands.
If you are dead….. You are not going to be worrying about the debt are you?? If you lose pip, you lose your motability car anyway? 4 red lights on the black box an you get kicked off the scheme.
Full aware of the drive smart box, however, if you lose you PIP on a lease you are still saddled with a debt or your wife/estate if you die. We may consider a Tesla lease , however we are reserves if it goes tits up.
No one is saddled with any debt if you die with a lease car, it is just taken back by the lease company and sold or re leased as a used car.
Please be aware if you lose you PIP or the lease hold dies the debt still stands.
If you are dead….. You are not going to be worrying about the debt are you?? If you lose pip, you lose your motability car anyway? 4 red lights on the black box an you get kicked off the scheme.
Full aware of the drive smart box, however, if you lose you PIP on a lease you are still saddled with a debt or your wife/estate if you die. We may consider a Tesla lease , however we are reserves if it goes tits up.
If you are dead you wont know or care, and as Des says the lease ends when you conk out.
Read the terms and conditions, if you have no assets or disposable income it highly likely you would fail the criteria for a Tesla lease anyway, so it is all immaterial.
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
I’ve took up that offer, if anyone is looking to take up a Tesla offer, then my referral code will get both you and me 650 free Supercharging miles https://ts.la/paul720734
I am quite interest I could do with some more information
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
If you decide to go for it, if you click that link https://ts.la/paul720734 it should say “Order with Paul’s Referral”. The first thing you need to do is click the globe icon top right where is says “US” and select United Kingdom at bottom of the list under Europe.
You would then select Model 3 and “order now” and it should come up and confirm you will get 650 free supercharger miles.
You next have to change to finance option from “Business: PCP” to “Personal Contract Hire”.
This will default to £249 per month with 12 payments up front and a 36 term with 8,000 mile per year, you should click “Edit Financial Terms & Savings” this will allow you to amend the term to “24 months” as 2 years are showing better terms but that is personal choice, and can amend initial payment to “1 month” if not want larger deposit and adjust mileage to what ever is your preference.
Once you have decided on a term and mileage, you would then select to order, you will at this point be asked for a deposit of £200, this reserves the car in the specification you have selected, please note that Tesla refund this £200 back onto your payment card once finance docs are signed.
Once car ordered, you’ll get email to download Tesla App, once installed you’ll get prompted to complete a finance application by the app, it appears to either give you a link to “Lex Autolease” or “Santander”, randomly picks one and don’t appear to get a choice. You just give your details and submit and they usually give you a decision on whether accepted pretty quickly.
The app then shows the next steps and gives an estimated delivery date.
That’s pretty much the full process but just ask if anything else you’d like to know .
I am quite interest I could do with some more information
Make sure you both comfortable in one, either used or at a centre (not sure if your nearest might be Birmingham way) befor deciding
If anyone is interested I’ve just done the math on a like to like basis.
I’ve got an EV through the scheme, current AP is around £4000 (I5).
For a model Y should I basis it on the following of a £4000 deposit (and get a banger to trade in for their incentive for £3750) that takes me to a deposit of £7750.
With that deposit and 10k miles a year so like for like, monthly payment would be the following
60m – £290 PCM
36m – £342
Currently payments work out for Motability at £340ish a month.
If I take out a 60m deal, I’ve priced insurance at £350 a year, so would bring me to £320 a month. If I save approximately £20 a month thats £240 a year to cover servicing etc.
If anyone is interested I’ve just done the math on a like to like basis. I’ve got an EV through the scheme, current AP is around £4000 (I5). For a model Y should I basis it on the following of a £4000 deposit (and get a banger to trade in for their incentive for £3750) that takes me to a deposit of £7750. With that deposit and 10k miles a year so like for like, monthly payment would be the following 60m – £290 PCM 36m – £342 Currently payments work out for Motability at £340ish a month. If I take out a 60m deal, I’ve priced insurance at £350 a year, so would bring me to £320 a month. If I save approximately £20 a month thats £240 a year to cover servicing etc.
I would assume you will have to replace all your tyres at least once. You have to serve tesla, whatever they tell you: I think every two years you need to replace air filter and brakes fluid, as opposed to ICE cars, EVs eat into the brakes.
What about costs of a curtesy vehicle when yours in the garage?
You need to factor statistics: road accident: what’s a chance and costs. Windscreen replacement. Surely on our beautiful roads you will land in a pothole or two – another £50 to sort the wheel.
@kezo may add more / disagree with me.Sent from a mobile device.
Apologies for briefness and spelling mistakes.Motability Skoda Enyaq SportLine 85x April 2024 (unhappy customer - Ombudsman pending)
Motability Mazda CX-60 PHEV July 2023 (unhappy customer - early termination on mechanical grounds)
Motability VW Touran Family Pack May 2019 (happy customer)all EVs eat into the brakes.
Absolute NONSENSE.
EV,s very rarely use braking and its the opposite, they PRESERVE brakes.
My I5 went in for its first service at 2 years and 17K miles. The service showed brake wear at 10% yup that is correct. What ICE car brakes can last 170K miles?? Zero, nada, none.
An EV only uses its brakes very rarely.
NO fluid change after 2 year either.
If you are going to get it THAT wrong, it puts the rest of your argument in question.
No problem with a courtesy car either, I been offered them before and they said i had to pay £10 for insurance. Then they noticed it was a Motability car and said no they did not need the fee.
Again, nonsense.
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all EVs eat into the brakes.
Absolute NONSENSE.
EV,s very rarely use braking and its the opposite, they PRESERVE brakes.
My I5 went in for its first service at 2 years and 17K miles. The service showed brake wear at 10% yup that is correct. What ICE car brakes can last 170K miles?? Zero, nada, none.
An EV only uses its brakes very rarely.
NO fluid change after 2 year either.
If you are going to get it THAT wrong, it puts the rest of your argument in question.
No problem with a courtesy car either, I been offered them before and they said i had to pay £10 for insurance. Then they noticed it was a Motability car and said no they did not need the fee.
Again, nonsense.
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Check tesla guidelines.
https://www.tesla.com/en_gb/support/vehicle-maintenance
As to the courtesy vehicle, you cannot get one on Motability if the service is warranty/ recall related. Even if the car has to go for a number if days.
Don’t tell me things you understand nothing – my Skoda Enyaq still runs old software and 12v battery is not replaced exactly because of that- RAC or whatever rubbish Motability work with nowadays refuses to provide a courtesy vehicle.
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Apologies for briefness and spelling mistakes.Motability Skoda Enyaq SportLine 85x April 2024 (unhappy customer - Ombudsman pending)
Motability Mazda CX-60 PHEV July 2023 (unhappy customer - early termination on mechanical grounds)
Motability VW Touran Family Pack May 2019 (happy customer)Tesla 3 8,000 miles £289 6 months (£1937) up front £12,357 good policy insurance with Aviva £517 per year.
Total over 3 years £13908, does not include tyre or servicing, however I never had tyre of Mobility, they don’t change cabin filters, on the past 3 Mobility vehicles they have never rotated the tyres plus they have always refused to change the worn wiper blades. On our Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV they recorded the wrong mileage for the MOT, different mileage and date for the service and when I complained they told me nothing to do with me Mobility is their customer not me.
Mobility PIP approximately £12,000.
For me it quite a tempting offer, after the 1st July when Mobility adds VAT it is an excellent offer
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
Check tesla guidelines..
Nonsense.
I was referring to my Hyundai Ioniq5…why would I need to check “Tesla guidlines” when I was discussing my I5???
I have ALWAYS had a courtesy car when my Motability vehicle went in for a repair, service software update or recall
In fact, one repair was going to take several days and for that there is no courtesy car, which Motability arranged a Volvo C60 or whatever its called from Eurocar. I had the Volvo for 2 weeks.
I can only tell facts to you, but cannot understand them for you.
No need to check tesla guidelines for a Hyundai car.
Now on my second electric car, first one, Kia Soul, went back on 43,000 miles covered, no brakes serviced/replaced, no 12v issues, just used and returned. Two front tyres at 34,000 miles were all that was required over the 3 years.
Second car, Ioniq 5 AWD, currently on just under 15,000 miles, no issues yet. Plenty of meat on the tyres.
I’d give Drive Smart a fit over my driving, since I don’t dawdle on overtakes and slip roads let me have a bit of fun with the sub 5 second 0-60 times of the I5…
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Hi just some comments
If the car is being repaired and covered via warranty I’ve always had a free hire car given. I’ve had this multiple times in the past so thats not a concern.
Insurance is there for a low excess for me, so thats not a concern and windscreen I think is £20 excess so again thats not much of a worry.
You’re right on the tyres but I tend to get them replaced at Costco and around £250 a set.
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