Middle East crisis increase in demand EV vehicles are we go as shortage ?

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  • #352989
    Oscarmax
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      Are we going to see a shortage in the supply of EV vehicle, due to the crisis in the Middle East demand has drastically increased. Mobility scheme are pushing EV’s are we going to see long waiting lists, EV disappearing off the scheme to supply the commercial market, higher AP.

      Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.

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    • #352993
      Glos Guy
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        What are the stats regarding the increase in EV sales? I know that they were well behind ZEV targets earlier this year and in fact even slightly down on last year on one month that I saw (pre current crisis).

        Obviously the Middle East situation will tip some of those who were at the point of purchasing, but wavering about whether to go EV or not, but I can’t understand the logic if people are seriously going out and spending tens of thousands on a new EV just because they will be spending a few hundred quid extra on fuel over the coming months 🤔

        #352995
        Pablo
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          I finally made the decision to go electric as with the overnight charging rate, it works out at between 1.2p and 1.7p per mile in charging costs depending how heavy your right foot is 😅

          #352996
          markp1
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            I’d already made the decision to go to an EV when I order my new car before the US/Israel war with Iran (and Lebanon) but the conflict has just reinforced that for me. I can order next Sunday and just hope the car I’ve gone with stays on the scheme!

            #352998
            Glos Guy
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              Just to clarify my last post, I absolutely get the reasons why people choose an EV, especially if they are Motability customers. My query (in relation to the question posed) was about the sense of private buyers going out and buying an EV purely because of the current Middle East crisis.

              Anyhow, I’ve found out that EV sales in the U.K. rose 24% in March. ZEV mandates for 2026 are 18% higher than 2025 so, presumably, manufacturers would have been geared up for that. Including the March figures, EV sales for the first 3 months of 2026 were only 23% of new car sales, versus the ZEV mandate target of 33% for 2026, so I should think that the recent uplift is probably taken care of by excess supply verses previously suppressed demand?

              So, to attempt to answer the question posed, I don’t think that the additional demand for EVs will, in itself, cause supply problems, but the longer that the crisis goes on (and the Strait of Hormuz remains closed) then any manufacturing industry is liable to face issues

               

              #353000
              72 dudes
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                Just to clarify my last post, I absolutely get the reasons why people choose an EV, especially if they are Motability customers. My query (in relation to the question posed) was about the sense of private buyers going out and buying an EV purely because of the current Middle East crisis. Anyhow, I’ve found out that EV sales in the U.K. rose 24% in March. ZEV mandates for 2026 are 18% higher than 2025 so, presumably, manufacturers would have been geared up for that. Including the March figures, EV sales for the first 3 months of 2026 were only 23% of new car sales, versus the ZEV mandate target of 33% for 2026, so I should think that the recent uplift is probably taken care of by excess supply verses previously suppressed demand? So, to attempt to answer the question posed, I don’t think that the additional demand for EVs will, in itself, cause supply problems, but the longer that the crisis goes on (and the Strait of Hormuz remains closed) then any manufacturing industry is liable to face issues

                You say “only 23% of new car sales” were EVs, and certainly less than the ZEV target, but the bigger picture is that it’s the fastest growing category after PHEVs. Diesel vehicle sales continue to slide.

                The more surprising figure is that YTD, private sales account for 42% of the market.

                The figures don’t drill down to fuel type by sales type, but it’s a fair assumption that private EV sales are also on the increase.

                I was quite surprised that the Jaecoo 7 was the best selling car in March and Number 2 YTD! Commonly known as the TEMU Range Rover.

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                #353006
                kezo
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                  To answer that question honestly, you have to ask yourself where the UK gets its oil from, where its refined and how much we rely on the middle east.

                  The UK has a small but significant domestic production of petrol and diesel from North Sea oil reserves is refined into petrol, diesel, jet fuel and fuel oil at Fawley, Stanlow, Pembroke, and Humber refineries. UK, domestic oil production accounts for a significant portion of total energy consumption, while the transport sector, which includes petrol and diesel, consumed over  55 million tonnes of oil equivalent.

                  Crude oil: The key source of imports has historically been Norway, but in recent years the
                  US has become the key source of crude oil imports. In 2024 the US accounted for 37%,
                  whilst Norway accounted for 31% of UK crude oil imports.

                  Petroleum products: The UK imports a wide variety of petroleum products, while
                  remaining a net exporter of certain fuels including petrol. Traditionally the Netherlands,
                  which acts as a major trading hub, has been the largest source of imports. As such, the
                  Netherlands is the largest supplier of transport fuels, with just under 40% of those imports being diesel, primarily sourced from the United States, Netherlands, and Belgium.

                  Jet Fuel: was traditionally the middle east, but  has been dwindling since 2024. Africa is now one of our biggest supplies, with Nigeria supplying a large shipment to Milford Haven during the end of March.

                  The UK sources around 50% of its natural gas from its own territory, Norway supplied around 76% of UK gas imports, and LNG made up around 25% of UK gas imports, with 68% of that LNG coming from the US.

                  We get 1% of our gas from Qatar.

                   

                   

                  #353007
                  MFillingham
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                    I’m not sure there’s any evidence that sales have significantly increased as a direct result of the insanity happening in Iran.

                    In terms of supply issues, some manufacturers were already beginning to have significant delays and others were reducing supply options to prevent those very delays.

                    The only reason I can see for some manufacturers to have problems directly related to the war would be if Iran’s puppets close the Suez and shipping has to navigate its way around Africa.

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                    #353009
                    Woodpecker
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                      Reuters has reported sales of 2nd hand EV,s has risen drastically in Europe.

                      It may take some time for new vehicle sales to filter through the sales charts.

                      The nonsense in the Gulf only fuels a rise in EV sales. Once fuel stations run out or rationing kicks in, it will be a stampede. The full effects of the crude shortage is only just filtering through. Come what may, the disruption will take months to resolve even if a peace deal is signed now.

                      #353012
                      kezo
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                        Electrified vehicles reached their highest-ever monthly volume, with a combined 196,059 registrations across battery electric, plug-in hybrid and hybrid models. Battery electric vehicles recorded a new monthly high of 86,120 units, up 24.2% year-on-year, while plug-in hybrid vehicles rose 46.9% to achieve a 13.0% market share. Hybrid electric vehicles increased by 7.3%, taking a 15.8% share.

                        Despite record BEV volumes, their market share stood at 22.6% in March and 22.4% year-to-date, remaining significantly below the 33% target set under the UK’s Zero Emission Vehicle (ZEV) mandate for 2026. According to SMMT, the gap highlights ongoing challenges in scaling demand in line with regulatory requirements.

                         

                        #353014
                        kdwolf
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                          Some went and won Nobel prizes for explaining irrational behaviour of the hords.

                          One must stop and think very well before going with EV privately:

                          1. Can you charge at home,  even with the granny’s charger?

                          2. Do you understand the risk of using public chargers: dedicated time to charge during a day, tenfold cost per kWh,  rising costs of charging in times of crisis like now?

                          3. Can you afford insurance? EV cost more.

                          4. Can you afford price deprecation? Except Tesla, EVs I checked on their PCPs assume residual value of under 30% in only 4 years!

                          5. Should one go with pre-owned EV, which already absorbed some depreciation?

                          6. What about warranty: is 3 years warranty on European EVs is sufficient for such complex technologies?

                          The point I want to make that many people,  who now rush to purchase an EV will be sorry they did.

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                          #353015
                          Woodpecker
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                            3 year warranty on a ice vehicle.

                            Ev,s usually have 8 years + on batteries.

                            Some will be very very glad they did buy a 2nd hamd ev when there is no fuel at the pumps.

                            Ev charging at 80p /kw hr is cheap and plentiful especially when there is no petrol and diesel to be had.

                            You just do not get it. People are buying them as a hedge against the fuel crisis. It doesnt matter if its charged at a granny charger or  rip-off services. A cheaper alternative is an E-bike, you may not use it, but its there if needed.

                            If you want to stay mobile you plan ahead. Iran is calling the shots.

                             

                            #353016
                            MickC
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                              Give this chap a call i’m sure he will increase volume of exports to the UK.

                              #353017
                              kezo
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                                Some will be very very glad they did buy a 2nd hamd ev when there is no fuel at the pumps.

                                Thats what listening to the scaremongering press does for you!

                                National shortage: Unlikely due to strategic reserves and diversified supply chains.

                                Local disruptions: Possible in areas affected by “panic” buying leading to temporary supply delays.

                                At present, the UK continues to meet its international oil stockholding obligations, maintaining emergency reserves equivalent to at least 90 days of net imports, and domestic refineries and import channels remain operational, providing resilience against a national shortage. Petrol prices have been rising moderately, driven by higher global crude oil prices and geopolitical instability, rather than a confirmed breakdown in UK fuel supply.

                                Spending £thousands on a used EV would not be a wise move, if your only concern was a press orientated perceived fuel shortage. Not only would it have a negative impact, artificially inflating the value of used EV’ you would kicking yourself for throwing money down the drain, your neighbours will laugh at you when they continue to fill their vehicles up with petroleum.

                                 

                                #353019
                                Woodpecker
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                                  Some will be very very glad they did buy a 2nd hamd ev when there is no fuel at the pumps.

                                  Thats what listening to the scaremongering press does for you! National shortage: Unlikely due to strategic reserves and diversified supply chains. Local disruptions: Possible in areas affected by “panic” buying leading to temporary supply delays. At present, the UK continues to meet its international oil stockholding obligations, maintaining emergency reserves equivalent to at least 90 days of net imports, and domestic refineries and import channels remain operational, providing resilience against a national shortage. Petrol prices have been rising moderately, driven by higher global crude oil prices and geopolitical instability, rather than a confirmed breakdown in UK fuel supply. Spending £thousands on a used EV would not be a wise move, if your only concern was a press orientated perceived fuel shortage. Not only would it have a negative impact, artificially inflating the value of used EV’ you would kicking yourself for throwing money down the drain, your neighbours will laugh at you when they continue to fill their vehicles up with petroleum.

                                  Nonsense.

                                  Reuters quoted the CEO of Shell stating that Europe will suffer shortages of petrol and diesel by end of April/ Beginning of May.

                                  ItS Reuters, not the gutter press,  like the Daily Mail an Express that you read.

                                  What you are saying is that there is nothing wrong with a 20-30% drop in crude production, it makes ZERO difference if we do not use crude from the Gulf, its a worldwide market and 20% drop is catastrophic.

                                  The Brent Sweet crude pulled from the North Sea is sold to the highest bidder.

                                  #353021
                                  Jojoe
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                                    We’ve had our EV 18 months, we both absolutely love it. the drive is so quiet, smooth and effortless, the regen braking is fantastic. I had to drive a petrol car last week, it honestly felt like driving a tractor, really loud and rough. We have the car on Motability for Mrs Joe, I’m thinking of buying a used car for my own use and it’s definitely going to be an EV.

                                    I can see demand for used EV’s increasing due to them being more affordable.

                                    I genuinely believe in choice, I f people want to stick with ICE, let them.

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                                    #353022
                                    BigDave
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                                      I had to drive a petrol car last week, it honestly felt like driving a tractor, really loud and rough.


                                      @jojoe

                                      Obviously someone hasn’t had the pleasure of driving a new New Holland T7.270 or a John Deere 8R.410 with the new eAutopower EVT automatic gearbox! Even a Fastrac 6000 at 66kph isn’t that bad!

                                      I don’t know why people think tractors have to be quote ‘loud and rough’! The above mentioned two tractors are both quiet and smooth. There is hardly any need for the cup holders as the cab air suspension works so well.

                                      I do admit my 1970’s diesel Ford County or my 1950’s International may be slightly rough but they are 50/70 years old. They kick out more black smoke than burning tyres, but that is part of the fun of driving them – giving road lice (ruddy cyclists) a few good lungfuls of it!

                                      #353023
                                      Jojoe
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                                        I had to drive a petrol car last week, it honestly felt like driving a tractor, really loud and rough.

                                        @jojoe Obviously someone hasn’t had the pleasure of driving a new New Holland T7.270 or a John Deere 8R.410 with the new eAutopower EVT automatic gearbox! I don’t know why people think tractors have to be quote ‘loud and rough’! The above mentioned two tractors are both quiet and smooth. There is hardly any need for the cup holders as the cab air suspension works so well. I do admit my 1970’s diesel Ford County or my 1950’s International may be slightly rough but they are 50/70 years old. They kick out more black smoke than burning tyres, but that is part of the fun of driving them – giving road lice (ruddy cyclists) a few good lungfuls of it!

                                        😂

                                        I’d love to drive a tractor, I can picture myself driving up and down the fields listening to my tunes, just like Kaleb.

                                         

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                                        #353024
                                        BigDave
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                                          😂 I’d love to drive a tractor, I can picture myself driving up and down the fields listening to my tunes, just like Kaleb.

                                          There is a bit more to tractor driving than going up and down listening to music!

                                           

                                           

                                          #353025
                                          Jojoe
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                                            😂 I’d love to drive a tractor, I can picture myself driving up and down the fields listening to my tunes, just like Kaleb.

                                            There is a bit more to tractor driving than going up and down listening to music!

                                            I can imagine.

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                                            #353032
                                            Woodpecker
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                                              I,ve watched Millennium Farmer for a few years 2500 acres. The Deere.s drive themselves!

                                              But then again we thought a  tractor was big in the 70,s, its nothing like the behemoths now.

                                              #353572
                                              kezo
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                                                Oil Tumbles my more than 10% and UK gas prices down, following the reopening of the Strait of Hormuz, even if only on a temporary basis, has come as a huge sigh of relief to global markets, easing immediate fears around energy supply disruption with the oil price instantly dropping more than 10% and providing a degree of stability to shipping routes. Ship owners, charters & insurers are still to assess risks of how safe the Strait is, keeping prices risk inflated. However the RAC said pump prices started to come down yesterday.

                                                Bloomberg:

                                                https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/video/oil-and-gas-prices-plunge-after-iran-says-hormuz-strait-is-open/vi-AA218yoK?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=69e254582cac47fa93e1711d4f5354b6&ei=12

                                                 

                                                 

                                                #353595
                                                Woodpecker
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                                                  Until the yanks get out of the Middle East, there will be no peace and no return to normality. The Orange Imbecile is making a killing on the US Stock market by saying a peace deal is close, then 2 hours later saying they are gonna send Iran back to the Stone Age. The US stocks and crude price are jumping up and down.

                                                   

                                                   

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