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I’m certainly no legal expert but I struggle to find any possible way this could succeed. Motability Operations are a commercial entity that has decided to tweak its business model in response to a change in regulations it has to adhere to. They have given ample notice of the changes and ensured existing leases are not affected.
As if you were leasing from any other leasing company and they made changes you were unhappy with, you have the option of taking your business elsewhere.
The only two factors that may make any difference is that their customer base and payment method are unique.
I’m as unhappy with most of the changes as the next person but I’m trying to look at it from a neutral standpoint.
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In response to the OP’s original question; I don’t think AP’s will change dramatically in Q3 either way. The whole point of making the lease terms better for Motability is to trim costs so that there doesn’t need to be any massive increases in AP’s. They’ll be forecasting 5 to 10 years in advance and have ample reserves to ride out the changes while things settle down.
On the VAT debate, they’ve known for some time that they would have to shoulder the VAT on the vast majority of orders this quarter. I’m sure they’ll claw it all back over time, big business is very much a long term game.
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@Glos Guy
It is possible to qualify for a grant without being completely destitute. I work for a low wage and get a small amount of Universal Credit. I also have some modest savings which I may have to sacrifice to fund the AP, there is also the option of going into debt for the AP if the right vehicle is that important.
Personally I wouldn’t saddle myself with debt but I know of some who have/would.
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Didn’t you check the car over before putting your PIN in on collection day? If they have supplied a different model to that stated on your order I’d be straight onto MB and the dealership.
The reduction in AP is more clear cut, it was up to you to be aware of the change when it happened and to have requested the dealer cancel and re-order at the new AP. Although they’re not obliged to do so.
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Skoda Karoq SEL.
Our order window opens on 12th April so we’re resigned to having to swallow whatever Q2 throws up but we have another predicament.
A lot of the offers available on BigDave’s excellent page are for immediate/quick delivery. So do we order on 12th April as normal or wait until early July and hope there’s something suitable on “in stock” offer to save some money.
Current shortlist is Chery Tiggo 8 Summit or Peugeot 5008 GT Line as we have a large powerchair to accommodate.
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The £20 fuel charge maybe for charging the car up, EV equivalent to actual fuel. Though £20 seems a bit steep.
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The other party’s insurer is always going to try to argue the toss, even in an open and shut case just to try and save money. If they can throw enough shade on the matter to get DLM to go 50/50 they’ve saved thousands. They don’t care who’s right or wrong, it’s just a numbers game.
Stick to your guns, the fact that the other driver fled the scene (probably drunk) is massively in your favour. Ultimately though the insurance companies will decide between them what the final result is, how it impacts you is immaterial to them and you don’t have any say in what they do.
I’m sure MB will look after you and get you on the road as soon as practicable.
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I’d probably stick with Android for seamless syncing with your phone. Samsung are best for updates at 7 years.
You can get the Samsung Tab A11 for £119 at Argos (using code RED20) although it’s only 8.7″. The 11″ jumps up to £199!
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In fairness to the dealer & MB they have no idea if you would come back with the key, I’m sure you would but they’ll be many that wouldn’t bother. With the benefit of hindsight, turning around and going back for the key before handing over was the thing to do.
Now the GCB is only £250 I’m not as bothered about it, I certainly won’t be putting extra effort into making sure the car is pristine before it goes back.
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Skoda Karoq SEL.
Look forward to hearing your thoughts, in exactly the same situation with a large power chair. Good to know Jeff Gosling are already up to speed with a hoist.
I think the terrible mpg will be a small compromise if everything else is good.
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Skoda Karoq SEL.
We have very similar requirements, our current top two are the Peugeot 5008 and the Tiggo 8. We may take a look at the KGM Actyon. The X-Trail isn’t as big as it appears and the Kodiaq was poor value for money in a decent trim level.
The 5008 is looking favourite, huge boot and hybrid but I actually prefer the style of the Tiggo 8, however the hybrid is expensive and the ICE has terrible MPG.
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I fully expect road tax for ICE vehicles to follow this pricing method in years to come.
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I’ve been driving large commercial vehicles for decades, for most of that time without cameras or even parking sensors so I’m pretty good at manoeuvring with or without assistance. I do prefer having cameras in particular as they allow you to be far more accurate and being able to get into gaps you wouldn’t risk on eyeballing alone.
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Skoda Karoq SEL.
I suspect some manufacturers will see the recent “luxury” cars development as an excuse to increase AP’s unfortunately.
I’d like to see the few British built cars available slash their AP’s to show that the industry and Motability are seriously behind a drive to boost our dwindling motor manufacturing.
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Skoda Karoq SEL.
Don’t waste your own money to protect something you don’t own, take reasonable care of it through the lease and your GCB (If there still is one in 3 years) will be secure.
My neighbour used to send his cars back in a terrible state and always got his GCB.
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Skoda Karoq SEL.
If the fault is still there tomorrow I’d be contacting the dealership as first port of call as it’s them that’ll have to sort it out.
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Skoda Karoq SEL.
Credit checks are often used as a method to confirm identity.
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I switched to ChromeOS (Chromebook) over a decade ago and have never missed Windows. There were a few growing pains in the early years but now there’s nothing I can’t do on my Chromebook. I find cloud storage much better than local as everything is automatically on my phone as well. It’s far more secure and no more pesky updates, they happen automatically in the background and a reboot takes less than 30 seconds.
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I’d love to go EV, it would suit my use case (almost) perfectly. But alas I cannot charge at home so public charging would be my only option. I have done some rough calculations and to charge in a reasonable time it would be far more expensive than ICE. I do have a Telsa dealership close by and with a subscription it brings the cost down a bit but they only have 4 superchargers and they’re always busy.
I don’t really see PHEV as a viable option either as I think I’d be constantly needing to be topping the battery up to attain the benefits.
So mild hybrid seems to be the only choice that I have but saying that when the time comes if the deals on ICE are better then I’ll still consider them.
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Skoda Karoq SEL.
As long as the servicing dealer uses genuine Suzuki parts and follows the Suzuki servicing guidelines it won’t invalidate the warranty.
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Skoda Karoq SEL.
A quick sales boost then pull it when they have sufficient orders.
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Skoda Karoq SEL.
The Kia Sorento is the most interesting addition, for those of us that need a big boot for electric wheelchair and hoist while still having some room for luggage.
Can’t argue with @wmcforum though, the Honda Jazz is a great shout for those without specific needs.
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1, You should never pay a deposit for a Motability car, the AP is due to be paid the day you collect your vehicle.
2, No dealer can accept a Motability order via phone or email.
If it were me I’d be cancelling on principal and trying to find a dealer with a suitable vehicle in stock, getting a stock vehicle used to be really difficult but looking at the offers and deals page on here it’s clear that dealers have realised that Motability can be useful to reach end of quarter targets.
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I’d still prefer Motability myself. 0% deals tend to have bigger deposits than the AP’s we face and then there’s the all inclusive nature of the scheme. But then we don’t own anything at the end of the lease so the answer is probably different for everyone.
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Skoda Karoq SEL.
If it’s what you want I’d get it ordered and worry about the unlikely chance of the AP dropping later. It could also be removed from the scheme and your chance is gone. There have been many cases where the dealer has reordered after an AP change without losing the build slot so it can be done.
I’ve got my fingers crossed it’s still on the scheme next year as it’s ideal size for my wife’s electric wheelchair.
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