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Indeed there are many postives to the scheme and each person must make an informed decision that’s right for them.
If you was to loose your allowance then you’d be without a car on the scheme at some point also, after the grace period they give you expires.
That’s another one of the many reasons I opted to buy, as without a car I ‘d be stuck at home, unable to go out.
I personally wouldn’t suggest leasing except via the scheme, but with limited option’s of cars on the scheme and such long waits if your condition changed. Again it’s a hard one as to what’s best to suggest. There are definitely are some positives to owning a car, over leasing.
Also especially for some trying to join the scheme for the 1st time and normally they’d be in a car pretty quick but right now who know’s how long and for some not being mobile is a huge problem. Maybe Mb could put them in returned cars until their car of choice arrives, as something is sometimes better than nothing and i know they do it somtimes with wav’s.
We in unprecedented times and i do feel Mb are not adapting to the situation. Sometimes it’s not as easy to suggest the scheme to people like i used to, really does depend on many factor’s. which is sad really.
Rox sorry but I can’t see how unsuitable means unsafe also which cars are rubbish?
Seeing as there’s now only 500+ of the 2000+ cars that was once on the scheme maybe that to them means that what’s on offer to them is rubbish and not what it was.
It’s a subjective opinion one you might not agree with. Due to your needs and expectations being different.
As for being unsafe if after 20 mins of sitting in a car driving and the seat becomes so uncomfortable that your thinking more about how much pain your in than driving the car or it may makes you cramp up, all because of a unsuitable seat.
That could make it unsafe and again all our conditions differ. So many may have very different views and needs to others.
Just like I could say I don’t see how you can fail to see that?
Thats why I would recommend always getting a decent test drive and insist you sit in the seats you will be getting, which are not always the one’s in the car you actually test drive, they may differ.
I stand corrected.
Either way it’s the only trim available from the range, I looked at lexus but cannot find any info on mb and at almost £4k in ap it’s not affordable or justifiable for many and certainly in my case would be over triple the ap I have ever paid on the scheme.
Some of the comments on the thread https://forum.whichmobilitycar.co.uk/forums/topic/lexus-ux-joins-scheme/
Are pretty clear, on many users view of this car. My personal favourite is
Can’t believe they’ve decided to drop this steaming log on the scheme, terrible car with low spec, crap ride, no rear legroom, tiny boot, appalling economy and a huge AP.
Badge snobs will buy any old tat, far better off with it’s sister version.
I got a great deal back in june on a car worth 25k and left the scheme and am disabled, have not worked since 2004 but clearly a good credit rating. I put down 2.5k and over the 5 years it will pretty much workout the same as being on the scheme and yep i am paying more, but not much when you consider everything including the residual value in the car at the end and that benefit will rise year on year and some suggest 10% in april based on sept figures.
It was at 0% apr and will save me over 6k over the next 5 years compared to the current deal they have. That has made a huge difference to the viabitly over the scheme and although it might not be for everyone. Some have to consider leaving the scheme and other options and if i was and could save 6k I would want to know.
Brent. Which cars are unsafe ?
I think taking it in the context it was put, allowed rubbish, unsafe, standard and uncomfortable cars unless they’re rich?
Brent meant unsuitable and thus unsafe as many are having to pick something unsuitable for them or their needs to remain on the scheme especially those that already extended for 5 years and the large ap’s are not affordable for many or justifiable to lease a car.
Personally I need a nice comfortable seat and many of the lower trim cars have the worst seats, that are uncomfortable and after 20 mins they become more and more unbearable.
Some higher trim are just not available now, although some cars are available on the scheme as they ev’s or plugins at crazy ap’s, that there’s no way I could afford to pay over the allowance. look at the lexus recently added to the scheme and what it is is a car with alot removed a special only for mb.
I recently left the scheme after 11 year of using it, as it just is not as viable an option for me as it once was and the huge ap’s are just not justifiable any more to lease a car and after the term what do you have to show for it.
Then their’s is the lack of cars and the long waits, I went with a new suzuki Vitara as it offered alot i need and was avalible in 4 weeks and luckly I got it at 0% apr. I plan to keep it for at least 5 years maybe alot longer. I am paying more but after I will have a car with some residual value in it maybe 1/3 to a 1/2 of the original value. For some the scheme is still great but for many it’s just not what it was at all.
So I totally get where you coming from brent. Many are either forced to extend the lease or leave the scheme.
Make sure you get a decent test drive, I did have a lower trim vw golf and the seat was so uncomfortable after 20 mins. If i was to get another vw it would have to have better seats and they all on the highest specs.
The £3799 ap for the automatic amounts to £105.52 a month (over the 3 year lease) above the full allowance. If you was to extended the lease after 3 years for another 2 years it would be £63.31 a month and then there’s the wait for one.
Also it’s not the most economical car being the 1.5l petrol version so it’s likely to cost alot to run at current fuel prices and with the pound slumping they not gonna get better soon and may rise again.
If it’s your only option then at least you understand the few negatives of it as well as the positives and are making an informed choice. Plus you need to make sure the car is suitable for you needs and daily running costs are part of that.
For some of us on the scheme finding large ap’s of £3799 is not easy and is not viable either. It might be worth making a short list of vehicles that are suitable for you needs and I’d suggest going and seeing them and test driving them all.
likewise, was some article i saw about delays in benefits payments due after the queens funeral and that they would come. Maybe not at the time they usually do.
So I guess that has maybe effected the rollout of the £150 payment.
Maybe they won’t, As they will concentrate and put the limited recsources towards the more premium cars in their lineups. As the chips in the cars are the same, The batteries in the cars will be the same, so which will they want to put them in and sell.
Audi has already said it will drop the A1 & Q2 from it’s lineup moving forward and will focus on the more premium cars.
I can see others doing the same, also they no longer need to make smaller less expenisve cars to meet emissions targets, but they will have to reduce production of cars overall to meet net zero targets and which will they decide to make. Those that cost more so they make more profits. That also fits in with the globalists plans for us the serfs. “You’ll own nothing and you’ll be happy. Whatever you want, you’ll rent, and it will be delivered by a drone.”
Many in the indusrty like the ceo of the vertu group have been saying this is the new normal and they not going back to how it was before. The days of over supply and low profit margins are gone. Right now with limited supply they making bigger profits but selling less cars than ever and many feel that’s the new model.
Sadly many won’t be compatible with the scheme and Infact policy will push us towards less private car ownership for the masses and more sharing at 1st, due to the cost of cars many won’t be able to have a car never mind 2,3 or 4 per household and once driverless cars arrive and they can do a better than humans for our safety, many will not be allowed to drive a car ay all and many driving jobs will be lost.
The 4th industrial revolution is coming. Slowly slowy it’s rolling out, Car’s may even be obsolete as drone taxi’s move us about. Will the scheme just be a dedicated taxi service for members in the future.
Even now it’s hard to justify or afford such high ap’s on many cars to just lease but some have risen as much 26% in the last few years and imo will rise higher the longer this crisis and the next one that comes along after and the one’s before. As that’s how they steer us into the direction they want and we unknowingly going along with it, till it to late to go back.
The dealer is a broker between the manufacturer, us and Mb and the price is agreed by the manufacturer and they get a fee for overseeing the process.
Where as when they order cars themselves and their group and sell to retail customers they make profits as opposed to a small fee.
I recently left the scheme and got my car in 4 weeks. There is nothing stopping you placing a factory order for a car, like the dealer has done or taken delivery of cars that was not allocated but was produced to fill the the production line. Also we don’t know how long ago they ordered the cars and have been waiting for them to arrive, or when they will get more. So it’s not really a surpise to me that they won’t, many are not right now.
I do get that for scheme users it’s unfortunate that the times we in with limited stocks and over demand many are doing this as it makes economic sense for them to do so and are not obliged to sell cars they have bought themselves to scheme users at the price set by the manufactor, unless the decide they want to.
like some do and even offer reductions in ap, although they are very limited right now.
Was they to say you cannot place a factory order but would let a retail customers then that would be discrimination and is one of the many reason why some manufacturers imo are currently not on the scheme at all.
Gilders is it an automatic, as i find with most auto’s I’ve had recently, that they programmed to keep the revs as low as possible for emissions and when you come to a hill or need to accelerate you got to put your footdown more than is needed if the revs was higher, which is maybe increasing fuel consumption.
My last car had sport mode and eco and it increased and decreased throttle responses, which for me i prefered to drive in sport mode as it meant i had to press the peddle less to make the car go and there was very little difference around town. On a longer journey cruising, i’d put in eco and get better mpg as the acc would not accelerate as fast back up to the set speed as when in sport mode.
My new car is a MHEV but it only has the one mode.
I sometime use the paddles, but it’s not always as it’s easy as just lettting the autobox do it’s thing. Guess that is maybe the downside to driving an auto. It cannot read the speed matching that is needed early enough and most of the time half way up a hill it then kicks down also.
Currently i did put some e5 fuel in my car and reset all the counters, as i’m just driving urban for the next few weeks to see what effect it has. Was getting 40 mpg but then yesterday did a bit driving in the hilly part of town and it’s gone down to 35 mpg all using just the auto.
When i next fill it then i gonna try using the paddles and keeping rev’s higher, see what effect it really has but i do suspect it will be better.
kind of is the same when i use acc and just leave it when it come’s to a hill the mpg goes down alot so i click the speed down if i can be bothered that is.
If your car don’t have paddles many do have manual mode like my 2017 golf did and one can use that to try and get a better mpg via control of the revs and gears.
How much of the gas will be used for energy or will it be used to make plastics that is the big question. It’s funny how a crisis comes along and then suddenly options that was not wanted by the people are back on the agenda. Protest won’t do no good this time as it’s in the name of energy security.
The Motability scheme is designed to feed three year old used cars onto the market. It’s unlikely they will do anything to encourage people to keep cars longer, no matter how sensible such a policy would be, especially with the improved reliability of cars over the years and better warranties.
Absolutely, Although with the cost of cars rising and rising and many dropping the cheapest cars in their range in favour of more premium models other’s may follow suit. Seems many right now are giving priority to more premium models over cheaper one’s supposedly because of the chip shortage but i think it’s all part of a global plan to restrict supply, same with the energy crisis and price the little guy out of the market.
The east will take over from the west as world leaders and as the wef predicts the usa by 2030 will no longer be the worlds biggest superpower and control the world, via the dollar and the reserve currency.
The Fourth Industrial Revolution represents a fundamental change in the way we live, work and relate to one another. It is a new chapter in human development, enabled by extraordinary technology advances commensurate with those of the first, second and third industrial revolutions. These advances are merging the physical, digital and biological worlds in ways that create both huge promise and potential peril.
Whatever system they push it is one of control over the people and some of the changes are only better for the few. They often hide it all in plan sight, but it’s all to enslave us to debt.
With more and more expensive ev’s the scheme many have to adapt to move forward. As many will not be able to afford the ap’s or the cars will just be too expensive to be on the scheme. So they maybe forced to offer longer leases, certainly I think that will have to be the case in 2035 if not before or the scheme will not exist.
One thing for sure they want alot less cars on the road than now and the end to private ownership at least for the most of us how that effects the scheme is also unknown, but every cause has an effect and sometimes it’s an undesired effect.
The only other issue is if it’s removed from the scheme before your order can be placed on the system, then you won’t be able to get the car no matter what.
I had only diesel’s on the scheme until 2020, but due to changes which meant we wasn’t doing the longer journeys we had been on a regular basis, I kept getting DPF issues.
So I’ve gone petrol and a hybrid (off the scheme now also) plus i think changing your car so often is not helping the planet it’s making it worse.
We should be encouraged by goverment to keep current cars as long as possible and not scraping them for new one’s. Mb should reduce your payments if you keep the car longer, but charge most the same.
So there is no incentive to keep the car. Only now ap’s have risen so much or the choice is so limited 3/4 of what it once was? or the long wait. Many are being forced to extend.
My choice was to leave and i did so at the right time for me, even handing back my car early.
Many car makers have said they will drop Ice cars in europe, maybe earlier than 2030/2035 and some and big companies are pushing / lobbying for it to be brought forwards as they see those that don’t plan to do it earlier, will have a commercial advantage over them, as they cost more to buy than ice versions and as they also have larger footprints it’s a double whammy and imo a complete scam. On average they better only after 10 years or more in most case’s and unless you have offroad parking and the ability to charge up cheap even on the scheme they not as cost effective as they madeout to be, or will become.
Moving towards 2030 i see the scheme not wanting to fund ice cars as selling them maybe alot less profitable than now. who knows, but if the ulez rules change and get more restrictive many will be forced to change again like we recently seen and one reason used car prices have been inflated and mb doing rather well out of it and donating to charties and causes out the scheme and funding numerous projects. Which i don’t think is their remit to do that. Maybe it is how they get paid from a not for profit scheme though.
Many autos even the dsg I had in the golf seem to change up too early, especilly if you say driving in traffic and then you need to accelerate from 30 to 40. One either has to kick down by pressing hard on the peddle(which is not good for me) of suffer the lagg.
This is why i prefer auto’s with paddles now as it’s so much easier to override the standard programing which i believe is to save emmisions, but actually uses more fuel and is less efficient in certain situations.
I recently bought a 1.4 mhev suzuki vitara szt, it was almost £25k but 0%apr although the newer 1.5 fhev is cheaper as it’s has an ags gearbox, not a full automatic and i was not impressed with that at all.
Must say overall for the money there’s only a couple of things I’d change, but in a few months i have got used to the way it works and for us is very liveable with.
The version i have you can only get on the scheme with a manual gearbox now.
Likewise, I had to call them today to reduce the DD as they said it would be increasing to £211 a month. Currently I am paying them £92 a month DD as I called them last rise when they said I would have to pay £197 a month.
I’ve been topping it up with the odd payment to keep it at zero. So told them I would/ could pay £140 as I get my money every 2 weeks and them asking for over £200 is likely to get bounced and then I’ll incure charges. Was no issue at all. Plus they gonna look into why my smart meters have never worked. So i will have to send them a reading on the 30th of sept.
I recently left the scheme, so I totally get where your coming from, It’s hard to justify such high ap’s with nothing to show at the end, for me ther’e quite a few other reason as to why it’s just not as viable for us as it once was.
After checking comparison sites and a few other insurance companies, not on those sites. I then called a few up that didn’t list it as an option on there sites and they all accepted the rsa letter of claims history. Which you can only get once you hand the car back and leave the scheme.
When the policy came they said my nch had been verified, so no need to send them anything.
I did ask rsa before leaving the scheme, how much nch i had and they put me threw to another dept who told me.
As for getting Insurance, definitely shop around. There was some big differences between the amount of some for the same level of cover.
Also it did rise slightly from when i got the original quotes when looking to when i actaully needed to take it out on the day after picking up the new car, as dealer covered me for 24 hrs.
I went with the company we have our home insurance with as I got a discount for having that and it worked out a good deal.
Also it’s cheaper if you pay for the whole year and i actually got a better price over the phone than I did online. As the system was not seeing my private plate on their sites.
Rather than this money going to sit on the balance sheet, it will be used to fight the increase in Advance Payments that we are seeing Quarter on Quarter.
So you pay more for your current lease while someone else, who starts a lease gets a reduction in ap. Yep seems about right. Just asking where did you get that infomation from, as to what the increase every year is used for.
It’s based on the market value (many say it’s at the top end as well) So they don’t do you any favours and you don’t get a warranty on most cars and have to do the last years service as that’s never done either.
No harm in asking them though the one and positive is you know how the cars been used and driven. although if you did add any extra specs that cost you extra at the start you’ll benefit from them still.
If it’s gone down to just the primer then it should be ok, had similar quite a while ago now though, only it was a bicycle peddle on the pavement side.
I rang rsm and told them the damage and they said, you can have it fixed now and pay the excess or you can leave it to the end of the lease and we’ll sort it then. As it was not down to the metal I left it and i got my full gcb A few months later.
Depends also how far your into the lease you is, as to if you want it repaired. ie do you want to be driving it around keyed for say a year or 2, but if it is an issue, it would also be cheaper to pay the excess and then get the full gcb. That is if there is enough time before you colleced the new car. Say it happened the week before you was due to exchnge there probally would be no way to fix it in time, but if you declared it to rsa then i would imagine you’d get the full gcb and you’d pay the excess.
Electric vehicle VS petrol car running costs
VW ID.3 CHARGED AT HOME
Single charge cost (0-100%): £19.80Number of charges required to cover 10k miles a year: 38
Annual bill for 10k: £752
VW ID.3 CHARGED USING PUBLIC DEVICES
Single charge cost (10-80%): £40Number of charges required to cover 10k miles a year: 48
Annual bill for 10k miles: £1,920
VW GOLF PETROL FUEL COSTS
Each refuel from empty to full: £82.90Number of refuel required to cover 10k miles a year: 19
Annual bill for 10k miles: £1,575
NB: Figures based on an electric VW ID.3 with a 58kW battery and claimed 265-mile range VS VW Golf 1.5-litre petrol with a 50-litre fuel tank capable of covering 50mpg. Home charging calculated using a 7kW charger at a unit rate of 34p per kWh. Public charging cost based on Osprey’s £1 per kWh charge. Petrol costs based on 166.3p-a-litre UK average on 14 September 2022.
Cost to charge an EV at homeMost homechargers offered to customers today are 7kWh devices, so we have used this as our benchmark for the calculation.
The energy price guarantee means electricity costs to the nearest pence from 1 October for an average household on a default tariff paying via direct debit will be 34p per kilowatt hour with a standing charge of 46p per day.
This is much less than it was due to cost under the proposed energy price cap put forward by Ofgem for the start of next month, with the unit rate for electricity set to soar to 52p per kWh.
In the scenario that an electric car owner pays 34p per kWh, fully charging the Volkswagen ID.3’s battery to 100 per cent will, in theory, take just over eight hours at a cost of £19.80.
With the ID.3 offering a range of 265 miles (according to the manufacturer claims), that works out at cost per mile of around 7.5p.
Based on the average Briton covering 10,000 miles per year, an owner of an ID.3 would need to charge their car at least 38 times, working out an annual running cost bill of £752.
The above calculation is based on a worst-case scenario, with the likelihood that many EV drivers charge their cars overnight during cheaper off-peak periods and will have shopped around for the cheapest fixed rate energy deal that guarantees them lower domestic electricity pricing.
Some might have been fortunate enough to have taken advantage of EV-specific energy tariffs that have until recently been available to electric car drivers.
Numerous providers were offering these dedicated EV-tariffs a year ago, though almost all have been pulled from the market in response to the rising cost of energy – the latest being EDF Energy, which has cited ‘ongoing energy market volatility’ for closing availability to new customers in recent weeks.
Only Octopus Energy currently offers a low fixed-rate EV tariff, providing off-peak rates of 7.5p per kWh when charging an electric car during the hours of 11:30pm and 5:30am.
That’s 26.5p less during that six-hour window than the energy price guarantee of 34p per kWh from October – though an Octopus spokesperson told us that its pricing is always under review, suggesting it might not stay that low for long.
Cost to charge an EV using the public network
Around a third of properties in the UK do not have off-street parking. For EV drivers in this predicament, they are heavily reliant on the national network of public chargers, of which there are over 32,000 devices in the UK, according to latest government statistics. And they’re much pricier to use compared to charging at home.
Almost every public charging operator has already increased their prices once this year in response to the wider energy crunch, with Osprey’s new hike being its second in just eight weeks.
The increase to £1 per kWh makes Osprey Charging by far the most expensive network to date. In fact, the next priciest is Ionity, which currently charges 69p per kWh for pay-as-you-go customers to access its rapid devices – though that could soon rise.
For our calculation for EV running costs via the public network, we have used Osprey’s existing rate of £1 per kWh.
Electrying.com says the cost to charge the Volkswagen ID.3 from 10 to 80 per cent battery capacity – which is the typical charging session on a public rapid device – at an Osprey charger has risen to £40. A year ago, it would have cost just £16.
In order to cover 10,000 miles a year, the driver would need to plug into the network 48 times (taking into account the battery is only being charged up to 80 per cent capacity).
This means the annual running costs for the family-size EV would rise to £1,920.
Cost to refuel a petrol equivalent
Now we know how much it could cost to annually charge an electric car at home or via the public network from 1 October, how does it fair against an equivalent petrol model?
The 1.5-litre petrol VW Golf we’ve used for comparative purposes has a 50-litre fuel tank and an ‘official’ range of just over 50mpg. It means it can travel for 550 miles when brimmed with unleaded, though realistically – like the ID.3 – the real-world range will be shorter under normal driving conditions.
Based on current fuel prices (unleaded at 165.8p a litre on Thursday 15 September) it costs £82.90 to fill the tank of the popular family hatchback.
The Golf will need to be filled up with fuel 19 times a year to cover 10,000 miles in 12 months, which works out at £1,575.
That’s £823 more than the domestic charging costs for the electric ID.3, meaning EV owners who do have charging provisions at home will continue to save a substantial amount of money having switched away from petrol cars.
However, it is £345 less than charging up only using Osprey devices, meaning the combustion-engine car is the cheaper of the two options to run.
Personally I would of liked to hear the comments, even if one consider’s them outdated and irrelevant. What is the purpose of censoring them, blocking them or whatevr one want’s to call it, it achieve’s what.
Control over others and the restriction of free speech. If it was Offensive then one would be justified. But to stop a point of view however one feels is not the way imo and is part of the overall problem.
If only we knew what the comment was now we/I all left wondering?
@richard the VAUXHALL ASTRA SPORTS TOURER 1.2 TURBO 130 DESIGN 5DR has a boot space of 597 litres.
Obviously it’s not a suv or an ev but maybe worth a look at. Cheapest is a manual £349 and in the auto £949.
or maybe the nissan QQ AS it has 504 litres, the question is though are you going to be better off paying a higher ap for an ev over a pertol car.
I’d look at it as if i was off the scheme and if the maker/dealer cannot fix the car what then, what are they going to do to resolve the issue?
Maybe you could apply for a grant and see. You say you spent £200 on fuel in 2 weeks, that’s £5200 a year. 15.6k over 3 year’s, so it would pay you back to spend more and get an EV over an ice or hybrid.
I do understand it’s all a shock and leaves you as you say stuffed but it is what it is and only a few options are open. Personally I’d put pressure on mg as either way you gonna be in a hire car till it’s sorted one way or another, What ev did they give you? is it liveable with, till they solve the problem or provide a replacement.
