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Not on the scheme (yet) but looked at the 5 and 6 yesterday. These make the previous MGs look stone age in comparison.
Amazing tech in 4 wheel steering both with and against direction of steering and crab ability which just looks crazy
The interior aside from the whole pleather argument looks really good, huge dashboard with central screen.
9 on board cameras with recording, self parking, self getting out of tight spaces and instant replay reversing say if you drive down a road with no way to turnaround.
I might go test drive one as the dealer is nearby just for fun. The 5 looks the better imho but the 6 is more practical makes the boot on the Enyaq look small lol
Thoughts?
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That’s interesting @Rich44. Did they have a price at the showroom?
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I had a look in both, my opinion on the 5 is in my long term thread.
They were clearly designed to take market share from Tesla, short of putting “I’m want to be a tesla” on the back I don’t think they could have been more obvious. Styled on the old shape Models 3 and Y the IM5 and 6 respectively are minor details away from pure copies outside. They also have some tech ideas from Tesla including the security and cameras. Where they differ are the internal styling and technology. You have that huge screen that divides into the drivers console and the entertainment screen in the middle of the car, then there’s that screen in the centre console that does just about everything else but still has a dedicated set of buttons at the bottom that fast tracks you to the menus you need most frequently. There’s also one switch to deactivate all the ADOS and you can set a direct button press from the wheel to take you there.
Those seats are incredibly comfortable, it’s not often I sit in a seat and, after some slight adjustment I’m in heaven but these were just perfect for me.
What I did query, and would love to hear other’s thoughts on, was the distance from outside the car to the side of the seats. There’s more space there than my Ioniq 5, which isn’t a slimline version, and I can see that having potential to be an issue for shorter people.
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That’s interesting @Rich44. Did they have a price at the showroom?
IM6 pricing:
100 Long Range £47,995
100 Performance £50,995
100 Launch Edition £52,995
Performance has dual motors and ludicrous power, Launch adds air suspension. Spec inside the cars are identical.
IM5:
75 Standard Range £39,450 (75kWh battery)
100 Long Range £44,995 (100 kWh Battery)
100 Performance £48,495
Price wise, there’s no reason that all these couldn’t be on the scheme but I can also see no need for a car with 800NM torque and 751PS (553kW) power all delivered from first touch.
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Personally I agree about the power 700bhp is just unecessary but at the end of the day it is OUR money so if it’s on there and someone wants it why not? They’re not banned or anything it is our money after all, if I don’t go to Motability and go buy a V8 powered AMG and use Motability to pay for it is it really any different? Aside from paying for your own insurance of course.
Personally the near 300bhp in my Enyaq is enough fun without getting into (too much) trouble. 0-60 in 3.5 seconds in a big family car is just mad but horses for courses. Interestingly those prices aren’t far from the Enyaq 85x cost so definitely no issues with pricing for the scheme.
I’d take sensible dual motor power and the much longer range nigh on 400 mile range AND 360kw charging. Honestly charging at 350kw is getting to the point of similar time for filling a petrol tank from empty then going in queueing and paying, by the time you walk off get a coffee, drink it and go to the loo your car is charged to at least 80% that is amazing and I was really impressed with 160kw charging on my Enyaq.
I will definitely take a look at these. I was only looking the other day and presently on the scheme there’s nothing to rival the Enyaq for price/performance/space still and at present it’s not as good a deal as I got. Still halfway thru my lease soon so I do like to keep an eye out as many of us do I expect but the tech on offer is immense
I would suggest you will take it for a ride – my understanding although it looks great and sounds perfect for short trips, people are unhappy with longer journeys.
I wonder if, when and at what price G6 or #5 will join. Although I have the feeling #5 will kiss £8,000 ceiling.
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Apologies for briefness and spelling mistakes.Motability Skoda Enyaq SportLine 85x April 2024 (unhappy customer - Ombudsman pending)
Motability Mazda CX-60 PHEV July 2023 (unhappy customer - early termination on mechanical grounds)
Motability VW Touran Family Pack May 2019 (happy customer)@Rich44 I don’t disagree but that sort of power, in my opinion, should require an advanced level of driving skill, maybe through an additional test. When the Ioniq 5 N was released the Facebook groups were filled with pictures of various new cars wrapped around trees, lamp posts and other street furniture, as people with more money than ability took out their newly selected high powered EV, stuck it in silly mode slammed their foot on the go pedal and then understood the problem.
When it comes to the Scheme, I believe giving disabled people a high powered car would be considered a bad risk, not many people fit in the joint area in a Venn Diagram of capable drivers and disabled Motability Scheme customers. I’m not saying that nobody on the scheme could safely drive one, just that the cost to insure could well exclude it from the Scheme unless they could stick a huge AP on the performance model. Then you’re at risk of having an IM5 short range at £2500AP and the performance at £10,000 with, maybe the Long Range somewhere around the £5,000 area.
@kdwolf, I don’t understand. The car has been released for a month, I doubt that there’s a customer with one in the country. The shape will mean that the anticipated real world range for the 6 would be better than the average gap from the WLTP ideal return. It’s a huge battery, streamlined shape, I’ve no doubt that a decent driver could easily achieve a genuine 300+ miles in the summer out of one, maybe even a less gifted driver could get that range.I'm Autistic, if I say something you find offensive, please let me know, I can guarantee it was unintentional.
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@Mark, in Australia they have IM 6 since July.
The other vehicle I was referring to is Xpeng G6 – never seen this car, but wonder if it will be on the scheme.
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Apologies for briefness and spelling mistakes.Motability Skoda Enyaq SportLine 85x April 2024 (unhappy customer - Ombudsman pending)
Motability Mazda CX-60 PHEV July 2023 (unhappy customer - early termination on mechanical grounds)
Motability VW Touran Family Pack May 2019 (happy customer)It’s hard to know what new cars will join the scheme. There’s several new Chinese companies coming our way but it’s whether they recognise the Scheme as a viable sales vehicle and whether they’re willing to give them a suitable discount to make it affordable for us? With MG, they’ve got a history with us, they know how it works and can get units on the streets quickly. It’s whether a car intended for corporate sales would be pointed toward us?
Theres plenty coming in that price category of various sources but it’s whether the deal can be struck that gives us good value?
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I do hope these join the scheme. First clue I’ve got is a link to what looks like a holding page at a dealership in Kent…
Hmmm, standard range IM5. Only 75ishkWh battery, I’m not sure how to cope with that🤪
I’d be surprised if nothing got on scheme but the added space in the 6 will be important for some. The upside is that all models have the same internal spec. It’s just battery and motors except for the Launch’s air suspension.
This would be a tricky decision for us, I love the toys and it’s really comfortable but I really detest the looks of the Tesla’s and this really copies that.
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It wouldn’t suprise me, if MG didn’t put them on the scheme, if only to get them visable on the roads, but we are dreaming to think the performnce versions will appear – for 1) the press will have a field day 2) the Omoda 9 was coming, but didn’t and thats only 400hp and at the same time Omoda dealers, in a similar manner had them, in the Motability list, so don’t count your chickens just yet.
the tech is the very thing that puts me off most new cars.
as my mileage is reducing so much i am seriously thinking of looking at the second hand market even though the reliability aspect becomes an issue. we have several car supermarkets near us, available car, direct cars and others. get something with just a satnav and parking sensors. that would do me.
The tech is brilliant most of it improves driving immensely. I used to drive a Vauxhall Combo van P reg Merit trim no aircon the damn thing didn’t even have power steering in a flipping van ffs. My first car was a Renault 11 sure it had gadgets like digital dash (even in 1985 lol) but no power steering and definitely no aircon.
I think for me the poverty spec of cars from the past like my dads Austin Montego no electric anything in that not even fuel injection and my experiences with growing up in cars with nothing like my Mk1 Golf, Renault 11, Combo van etc I really appreciate the luxuries now even the accursed lane keep assist has its place (just not on C roads).
If I were buying to own one maybe i’d think twice about more stuff to go wrong but when it’s not my car I don’t care I want every gadget possible especially after being spoilt with adaptive cruise control I use that every day. the 10m turning circle via the 4 wheel steer I know for a fact that would be very useful for me at least.
I get why some feel less tech is better but I wonder how many will feel the same way about a lot of these gadgets where you say just give me sat nav and parking sensors, in a few years will it be auto park added to that list as the tech proves itself? I think we all have a bit of rose tinted glasses for older cars being more reliable but imho that’s not true my Renault 11 had a design flaw that warped the carb if it got too hot and then sucked air in and would run with the key off lol. I had a brand new Ford Focus in 1999 as a company car and after 24 hours it needed a new battery, then new wiring to the HVAC as they forgot a grommit at the factory, 12k it needed a new turbo (tdi engine), endless aircon compressor rebuild kits that never fixed the problem until I had a strop and they changed the whole compressor which finally fixed it, and loads more before a new short block at 75k when shell bearings failed and nearly put a piston thru the head.
Honestly even without gadgets cars are just money pits which is why I never want to own own again
I got stuck behind an old guy parallel parking an XC90 2 days ago somehow he ended up 90 degrees across the parking space instead of in it and then proceeded to crash up and down the pavement to try and get straight instead of starting again, he could’ve driven 400 yards away and used a car park but that’s another matter if tech can help with situations like that i’m all for it, he blocked the road in both directions for around 5 minutes before parking across the pavement blocking it lol.
I see people moaning about cars they have every day, we’ve seen on here people moan about the ride on the Enyaq Sportline being to hard and crashing over potholes for example, reviews have said if anything the car is soft and wafty softer than the BYD and Tesla in road tests so there’s that.
I must go test drive one soon just for a laugh, see if I can get the skinny on Motability from the dealer as had inside knowledge from there before as my son did his work experience at that dealer so maybe if they know anything…..
Be interesting to see what mainstream stuff comes along in the next year. I’ve seen a couple of Jaecoo SUVs around Norfolk they’re huge not BEV tho so not for me.
All the best everyone
@Rich44 personally I have no complaint regarding Enyaq SportLine- it drives hard as expected.
I do have complaints it spends too much time in a garage due to the high tech. And although I am far from suggesting people should avoid cheap vehicles with a high end spec, I do suggest drivers, especially us with mobility issues, will take into account the car will spend time in the garage, may even significant time, hence need to be prepared. For example have another vehicle at home or the garage close to home, or the garage willing to collect the vehicle from home.
For example with Mazda, my previous vehicle on the scheme which I eventually returned due to mechanical faults, I had to drive some 20 miles to the garageand leave the car with them and find my way either to the office or back home. Luckily Motability paid for the taxi. But I won’t bother you with how many times the taxi was late by at least half an hour.
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Apologies for briefness and spelling mistakes.Motability Skoda Enyaq SportLine 85x April 2024 (unhappy customer - Ombudsman pending)
Motability Mazda CX-60 PHEV July 2023 (unhappy customer - early termination on mechanical grounds)
Motability VW Touran Family Pack May 2019 (happy customer)N.B. what is interesting that they already sell demo cars with only 1000 miles on the clock. Is it a normal practice, as I would assume demo cars can and should be used for longer to demonstrate how reliable they are.
What do you all think?
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Apologies for briefness and spelling mistakes.Motability Skoda Enyaq SportLine 85x April 2024 (unhappy customer - Ombudsman pending)
Motability Mazda CX-60 PHEV July 2023 (unhappy customer - early termination on mechanical grounds)
Motability VW Touran Family Pack May 2019 (happy customer)N.B. what is interesting that they already sell demo cars with only 1000 miles on the clock. Is it a normal practice, as I would assume demo cars can and should be used for longer to demonstrate how reliable they are. What do you all think?
Agree, but it would effect the value the longer they keep hold of it compared to selling it nearly new. though most demos go at around the 6ish month mark
I finally got to see the IM6 today. It’s a lovely place to sit. Those chairs are the most comfortable I’ve sat in, until I put the massaging feature to the test. That was like getting a sports therapist trying to loosen your strained muscles, which when you’ve a spine issue was rather painful.
The seats were plush and comfortable, with little adjustment they were better than the Ioniq’s Relaxation seats. Mrs F managed to get in and out without issue. Boot isn’t small, back seat space is more than enough (I could sit behind me comfortably enough).
The dealership had the IM 6 sat beside an EV6, so I couldn’t resist.
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Cool Kia are selling them and positioning it agains’t the 6😛
I did see the irony in them being beside each other. If it was my money and assuming I couldn’t afford the GTLineS EV6, I’d be going for the IM6. I’m not interested in the dual motor variants, they are insane and I don’t want a car that would cheerfully put me in a tree given half a chance, although I hear it feels more planted than some other high powered EVs. The IM6 has a menu system you need a month to understand (but don’t all cars these days?) a rear view that makes the Ioniq 6 feel almost panoramic. It is, however, the most comfortable car I’ve sat in, the 20 speaker sound system is supposed to be unreal and I love the fact you can have Apple CarPlay on one screen and still be managing the vehicle thanks to that extra screen. However, I’d need a co-pilot as there’s no way I’d be driving and trying to do anything on that screen.
I’m praying these are added to scheme. I can order in November – want to get my hands on one
I order next November, I am half expecting it to join and leave the scheme before I get to order it.
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I won’t be surprised if tomorrow we will see IM on the scheme for £7,999 each. It may take a quarter or two until they will adapt the APs. Hopefully IM entering Motability will push down its direct (in my view) competitors like Enyaq, EV6 and ID5
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Apologies for briefness and spelling mistakes.Motability Skoda Enyaq SportLine 85x April 2024 (unhappy customer - Ombudsman pending)
Motability Mazda CX-60 PHEV July 2023 (unhappy customer - early termination on mechanical grounds)
Motability VW Touran Family Pack May 2019 (happy customer)@kdwolf Sorry to hear that. Got to say my Sportline Enyaq has been perfect aside from a few moans from the car when sensors get moisture on them in the cold mornings and maybe 2 times when an alert has popped up but restarting cleared it.
In my non expert opinion the vast majority of gremlins can be pointed right at CAN bus, it’s garbage. Original design from 1983 updated to xl in 2012 but it’s just a mess. One faulty device can blow out one of the buses easily, no clock signal so timings can become an issue, bit stuffing can create errors and lastly NO SECURITY. In this day and age not using encryption and signing for data packets on cars with 4g and WiFi is inexcusable and I have a gut feeling all these cars with electrical gremlins can directly tracked back to this standard, again just my gut feeling on the matter after reading about etc
Got it booked in for the 5.4.3 update that I got a message about a service campaign supposed to bring new features like remote unlocking to the app
https://www.skoda-auto.com/emobility/5-4-3-software-update
Be interesting to see what changes tomorrow brings after Motability’s announcement yesterday regarding changes to the scheme
I honestly thought I’d seen there’d be a “tamer” awd twin motor version tbh but maybe I imagined it. I agree 750bhp is bonkers but I’ll order whatever available at a good price, just because the powers there don’t have to use it. The MG ZS was quite good at reducing available power and throttle response using the driving modes, assuming something better hasn’t come along by then but 665L boot plus 32L frunk (autocorrect changed that to drunk, 32L drunk pmsl) is a hard target to beat
Maybe the Kia modular MPV that’s going into production mind you Kia seem happy keeping their cars unaffordable on the scheme.
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