Will there be a glut of Diesel cars coming on to Scheme to work them off on us

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  • #196674
    Clever man

      Motability want to reduce their carbon footprint and have removed a lot of choice of Diesel vehicles from the scheme and offered us some very high AP electric vehicles does anyone think that they will start to come back on the scheme because manufacturers can’t sell them so will look to work them off on to us as motability get them for a cheaper price

       

      My point being they “ Encouraged” us to electric by restricting choice ( removing Diesel) as it suited their agenda and to hell with what It costs us and now maybe when car manufacturers want to off load those “ dirty diesel cars” all of a sudden they are “increasing the choice of cars available on the scheme “

      it will be interesting to see if diesel cars make a comeback on the scheme

      Because Motability can make a good profit on them or will they stick to the Green agenda meanwhile the government allows Fracking while we all pay the price of going green

      what do you think

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    • #196678
      DBtruth
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        I’d be happy to see ANY car added to the scheme no matter what it’s powered by.
        I wouldn’t see it as manufacturers trying to offload them or anything like that. There is still plenty of life in petrol and diesel. In fact if you got a diesel car on the scheme tomorrow you could have that until 2025, the next one until 2028 and the one after that until 2031 if you wanted

        #196689
        Avatar photoWardyGTC
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          The irony being that the carbon footprint of manufacturing an EV is substantially bigger than that of diesel or petrol equivalent and takes many years to offset. No Motability EV will ever offset within its 3 year lease.

          I think they will continue greenwashing the scheme due to uncertainty in regard to residual value and demand for used diesel cars in years to come.

          When the majority of our energy is coming from renewable sources (some years away yet) then EVs will be a no brainer but for now hybrid is the greenest option. Not an opinion, scientifically proven fact.

          If I seem a little strange, that's because I am.

          Skoda Karoq SEL.

          #196704
          rox
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            I had only diesel’s on the scheme until 2020, but due to changes which meant we wasn’t doing the longer journeys we had been on a regular basis, I kept getting DPF issues.

            So I’ve gone petrol and a hybrid (off the scheme now also) plus i think changing your car so often is not helping the planet it’s making it worse.

            We should be encouraged by goverment to keep current cars as long as possible and not scraping them for new one’s. Mb should reduce your payments if you keep the car longer, but charge most the same.

            So there is no incentive to keep the car. Only now ap’s have risen so much or the choice is so limited 3/4 of what it once was? or the long wait. Many are being forced to extend.

            My choice was to leave and i did so at the right time for me, even handing back my car early.

            Many car makers have said they will drop Ice cars in europe, maybe earlier than 2030/2035 and some and big companies are pushing / lobbying for it to be brought forwards as they see those that don’t plan to do it earlier, will have a commercial advantage over them, as they cost more to buy than ice versions and as they also have larger footprints it’s a double whammy and imo a complete scam. On average they better only after 10 years or more in most case’s and unless you have offroad parking and the ability to charge up cheap even on the scheme they not as cost effective as they madeout to be, or will become.

            Moving towards 2030 i see the scheme not wanting to fund ice cars as selling them maybe alot less profitable than now. who knows, but if the ulez rules change and get more restrictive many will be forced to change again like we recently seen and one reason used car prices have been inflated and mb doing rather well out of it and donating to charties and causes out the scheme and funding numerous projects. Which i don’t think is their remit to do that. Maybe it is how they get paid from a not for profit scheme though.

             

            #196706
            Wigwam

              The Motability scheme is designed to feed three year old used cars onto the market.  It’s unlikely they will do anything to encourage people to keep cars longer, no matter how sensible such a policy would be, especially with the improved reliability of cars over the years and better warranties.

              #196709
              rox
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                The Motability scheme is designed to feed three year old used cars onto the market. It’s unlikely they will do anything to encourage people to keep cars longer, no matter how sensible such a policy would be, especially with the improved reliability of cars over the years and better warranties.

                Absolutely, Although with the cost of cars rising and rising and many dropping the cheapest cars in their range in favour of more premium models other’s may follow suit. Seems many right now are giving priority to more premium models over cheaper one’s supposedly because of the chip shortage but i think it’s all part of a global plan to restrict supply, same with the energy crisis and price the little guy out of the market.

                The east will take over from the west as world leaders and as the wef predicts the usa by 2030 will no longer be the worlds biggest superpower and control the world, via the dollar and the reserve currency.

                The Fourth Industrial Revolution represents a fundamental change in the way we live, work and relate to one another. It is a new chapter in human development, enabled by extraordinary technology advances commensurate with those of the first, second and third industrial revolutions. These advances are merging the physical, digital and biological worlds in ways that create both huge promise and potential peril.

                Whatever system they push it is one of control over the people and some of the changes are only better for the few. They often hide it all in plan sight, but it’s all to enslave us to debt.

                With more and more expensive ev’s the scheme many have to adapt to move forward. As many will not be able to afford the ap’s or the cars will just be too expensive to be on the scheme. So they maybe forced to offer longer leases, certainly I think that will have to be the case in 2035 if not before or the scheme will not exist.

                One thing for sure they want alot less cars on the road than now and the end to private ownership at least for the most of us how that effects the scheme is also unknown, but every cause has an effect and sometimes it’s an undesired effect.

                #196716
                fwippers
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                  I have to agree pretty much with everything.  We have as a planet, some challenging times ahead, and I am not sure it’ll be a better place. I wouldn’t be surprised to see 5 year leases as the norm, with 5 year warranties, or longer, the norm. How much difference a 5 year lease will make over a 3 is unclear as the biggest benefit to motability is at purchase, vat free.

                  #196726
                  Clever man

                    I don’t get how the Government can encourage us to make greener choices which is all well and good if you can afford to (Hell we can’t afford not to if we want a planet left) but then agree to Fracking! we must as population stop this dead in its tracks in this country if you have never protested in your life then this is your calling the government and the energy companies can Frack Off Please I urge you to do your research on Fracking basically at all levels it’s a very bad idea very bad don’t take my word for it there is plenty of stuff on TV subscription channels and YouTube and on the internet. Find a local group and just see what’s going on so you are aware at least.

                    my view is Motability scheme could be doing more to involve us as stakeholders in the Charity and with policy on how caps are set and hear counter opinions to their own from people who use the scheme why do Ipsos need to get involved Motability could do this all in house directly with us They would then hear what we think and not what Ipsos wants Motability to hear

                     

                    #196752
                    rox
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                      How much of the gas will be used for energy or will it be used to make plastics that is the big question. It’s funny how a crisis comes along and then suddenly options that was not wanted by the people are back on the agenda. Protest won’t do no good this time as it’s in the name of energy security.

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