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The whole point of the review is to cut Govt costs. It is merely a rubber stamp to suggest they had done everything possible…which is nonsense At least the Kray twins Cameron and Osbourne just wielded the hatchet and blamed the disabled and unemployed for their inept handling of the economy and the FreT Financial Crisis. It is cyclic, these losers are gonna wield the hatchet and we will get hit hard. It does not matter which monkey is in power, they are all the same.
I could not have put that better myself
We are imo no matter which .Gov all eventually to be caught between the devil and the deep blue sea imo
Welfare spending hasn’t increased ( decades of DWP system check failures continue to cost millions yet the press will ignore such topics ( maybe subtract that and for example all of the 12yrs of wasted reviews and tribunal costs from the figures and welfare spending may well have gone down )
its all a ploy a distraction imo that stupid Joe public and main stream media play along with just so at the last minute they can pull out of the hat a sticky plaster solution to their yrs of under funding for example defense
( where did all that money go? the answers are there but the media and PMs fail to ask such questions)
A dilemma for sure
We will have to helplessly wait and see the scale and time frame of whatever is to come
I will now end my post there as my point has been made and tbh this whole sad saga pisses me off
I agree with the thrust of the above reply
But Ive never been one to put my head in the sand
I have zero optimism that Timms or anyone else has ever had our welfare at the top of their agenda or that they ever will ( not that at the end of the day he gets to call a single shot as the outcome of this whole farce is and was only ever to simply be something to consider the new lobbyist chief of staff will do what is right for private investors along with the eager beaver Mc Fadden best mate of Mandelson
Do not expect fair play imo it aint happening
We are simply a political football easy pickings now that their own troughs have been run dry
The DWP are as we all know and many to their peril unaccountable always have been and imo always will be
Improvements to Assessments? is for the birds imo
I was one of the first to get PIP and have fought many battles to end up with my indefinite award so speak with some knowledge
This is of course only imo
DWP is tainted we all know that and anyone with any worth to us will not want that association on their CV
Promises are grandstanding window dressing that will come to nothing imo as all the MPs want to do is nod and keep their own well paid jobs and benefits
Changes are needed but at the end of the day not all will be for the good
Good changes take time/money/support all that is missing and imo why going forward this will fail to deliver what is promised
From start to finish its been called a farce/circus/staged
There will be change
I have no doubt and once the ball gets rolling with Mc Fadden and Andymans lobbyist chief advisor we will all feel the brunt of those changes as time goes by
Thoughts anyone ?
I ordered 28th May, I was told “something about wheels” he was being very cagey with telling me the issue!! I said spit it out whats the truth? 🙂 But at the time I was told early September delivery time, heard nothing different. Actually feel so grateful to order before July 1st having seen it go from zero AP to £1,999
Your order is a different kettle of fish to mine
Looks like you have ordered the Monochrome which has black wheels as standard along with some other nice things
You have done well to be able to have locked this in at zero AP
Saved myself £250 by being able to order last Q ( was £499)
Nice car
I was told in conversation with the dealer on June 1st that there was a huge demand for the Monochrome and subsequently it had at the time the longest lead times
I would be inclined to give your dealer a call and ask if there has been any change in the original quoted lead times
( I suspect there may have been as my order for the Classic SE has since been updated to late Oct )
Pic of the Monochrome below
Enjoy your car
I expect this has already been posted somewhere but here goes
Motorbility AP from LAST QUARTER TO PRESENT QUARTER price tracker
https://www.motaclarity.co.uk/motability-results.php?vehType=motab-car&make=&model=&fuelType=&transmission=&seats=&bodyStyle=&postcode=CM19+5PX&allowanceType=PIP&minAdvPayment=0&maxAdvPayment=8400&searchBy=postcode&_gl=1*gjrwdl*_up*MQ..*_ga*MjEwMjkzMzAwNC4xNzgzMDkwODg2*_ga_38VVTSV6SK*czE3ODMwOTA4ODYkbzEkZzAkdDE3ODMwOTA4ODYkajYwJGwwJGgw*_ga_25KN4E1YKX*czE3ODMwOTA4ODYkbzEkZzAkdDE3ODMwOTA4ODYkajYwJGwwJGgw
Oh, just to add to the mix, there’s the whole Andy Burnham change that could happen as soon as 2 weeks away which includes an opportunity for the whole subject of the changes to be reversed again, at least until the next General Election.
Thanks great post but imo
Sorry to shatter anyone’s remaining glimmer of hope that anyone maybe still be clinging to
imo the thing is
Andy Burnham plans to appoint James Purnell, a former New Labour Work and Pensions Secretary, as his Chief of Staff if he becomes prime minister
Anything stained DWP is imo and experience twisted and corrupt ( expect no mercy)
Andyman jack of all trades and master of non is having to balance/ walk the very same tightrope as Starmer
There is no other path
IMO he is just another blindfolded contortionist attempting that very same walk
Hideaway Andy aint no savior
Oh please let me be wrong
from the very popular electric monochrome ( had a longer lead time ) that was ZERO AP and has now been increased to £1999 ( to slow demand possibly) and tbh it was a lot of car for zero AP and I always thought its AP would increase )
Ditto. I was looking at the Monochrome and EV3. I felt the Monochrome was worth a £0 AP, but not anymore than £300 (IMHO). The Mini dealer was confident the AP would increase, but to £1999 ! The EV3 Air at £299 was good value, although there were many dealers offering it for £0, one of which has only increased it back to £299 and not the current £999 set from today.
I deleted my above post as full of errors lol
But just to add I suspect along with many other factors a certain car models demand may well be reflected in it AP and possibly why the Monochrome AP has been set as it is
As demands fall and production catches up this may well lower in the future
But there again “Pigs may fly”
We will see
The MINI Countryman
230kW SE Classic ALL4 66kWh 5dr Auto was £499 last quarter and imo it still remains a steal at the new AP £749Congrats on your car purchase ( Only live once) and getting off of this imo sinking ship and I am sure you will enjoy driving it every single day
Thank you for ALL of your great advice that still remains for others
I have copy/pasted and kept your great piece We’ve left Motability – Tips for others considering leaving
For future Refs
I wish you and your wife all the very best for the future
Please keep popping back ( imo we now need you and your advice more than ever to help steady the ship )
Very much appreciated JOJO22
Hopefully n8w, you can start your own forum “Not Mobility Car” and stop regailing oeople who come on here to discuss Motability provided cars. Seems you used motability for cheap BMW leasing and when that was removed, you threw teddy in the corner. The fact you can buy a crappy nazi supporting, British jobs killing BMW and are just a sad badge bunny who wants his reps car on his drive, means you shouldn’t have had a motability car in the first place.
Firstly, the “off topic “area of the forum, is a place where you can talk about everything and anything, even ingrowing toennails if you want! BMW alone can’t be responsible for Rover groups collapse, which had already started by mismanagement, underinvestment, and failed corporate strategies by British Aerospace. Then there was Phoenix Venture Holdings, that put the final nail in the coffin, along with succesive governments. Rolls Royce (a long story) under BMW ownership, who had to remake from the ground up, through a mishmash with VW and of course Bentley was sold to VW as a stratigic move by both Bentley and VW, But, don’t let that stop you having a Nazi owned Skoda or an Indian Owned Range Rover you talk so gracefully of on the forum! Perhaps most important and beneficial to all, go and get yourself some lessons in attitude management!
DITTO
Thank you ALL for the feedback
Whatever the wheel trim ( looking like No1 see pic below )
its a hell of a lot of car for such a small AP imo
Factory Ordered June 1st Classic SE ( SE Denotes All4 for those that do no know)
Lead time late Oct ish but suspect Nov at the earliest
No rush it is what it is
Im a little confused as also driven and ordered the Mini countryman SE classic ALL4
the configurator changes from one week to the next as far as standard classic wheel styles go
Today the configurator shows mini 17 profile spoke grey wheel trim and thats what was originally on the mini
configurator
Looking at my order print out and on the configurator another time
I see the actual wheel trim is listed as 17 profile aero spoke grey
As seen in first pic below the style is now aero and not as nice imo
The configurator I noticed seemed to jump between the 2 from 1st june around 9pm
The configurator is not showing the Aero at the moments ( weird)
AERO PIC
If interested.. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/timms-review-of-personal-independence-payment-run-a-workshop
Just to add something that popped up
News
Timms’ abysmal Workshop in a Box threatens benefits, is open to bogus responses and may be unlawfulGood effort. But Motability set the rules you sign up to, and they have the stats on each model. They can easily cherry pick what data in their favour. Knowing full well it is not going to go anywhere. Like Iran, they hold all the cards. But good effort. You dont have any measurable stats to prove your position, and Motability does.
I agree Iran holds all the main cards
But Trump still has the Jokers
I am pleased that you lease was extended when you asked for it and that end of life wiper blades can be one of the small downsides of doing so
The savvy among us like you would always opt to pay to replace them at little cost rather than have to faff around at the dealers
You said
{Mobility’s ability to alter lease condition midterm at will,}
Generally, Motability cannot unilaterally change the conditions of your active lease mid-term without your agreement, as it breaches your original contract. However, Motability routinely updates its rules for future or renewing leases
Why is it when one proffers the details of a lease deal that MIGHT SUIT someone on here and you caveat your post with the usual , about notability insurance, tyres maintenance, and that it seems a good for a PARTICULAR CAR it’s always someone who thinks the deal isn’t that great, or someone thinks they have found a better deal for a totally different car that posts replies. If the deal isn’t for you move along . . lol that’s not the point of a post like this.
I thought at first you may be new to this forum having seen that you started a new thread to address your feelings about another thread
Your a seasoned member that must have come across such things before
If any input/ reply isn’t for you then like the rest of us quote and counter your point directly
That way we all have a clue as to what you are on about
Also by doing so you will be able to Move along . . lol
Good to read that they were being stored, rather than sold, as it would be a great shame for people waiting for them. I assume that there’s no waiting time for these cars? My new car is en-route from the USA to Southampton and there was me thinking that it would be safe once the ship arrived! Having waited 5 months, I hope that they turn it around in Southampton quickly, although the dealer tells me that another customer car that had also been subject to a long lead time had fallen off the vehicle transporter and been written off 😱
I think most would have customers waiting tbh
The damaged E5 models were stored at the compound awaiting processing and pre-delivery inspections
Southampton is often full to the brim due to the high volume of Chinese car imports
When you look at leasing companies, many of the deals work out cheaper than Motability without the block VAT exemption. Most leasing companies offer an all inclusive maintainence package, that gives you a very similar package to what Motability offer. These packages tend to be c£20 to c£30 depending on whether an EV or ICE/Hybrid. Even with the maintainence package included these cars are on par if not cheaper than Motability over 3yrs 30,000 miles. Two things are missing 1) the insurance and 2) DWP direct payments. 1) All that is needed is for a leasing company or group manufacturers/dealers to come together and look at block fleet insurance similar to Motability, which isn’t fully comp in the way that private fully comp is. The other option maybe, is to look at a system where the disabled user finds their own insurance, but I’m sure a Scotish insurance company would love a slice of the cake 2) Given Scotland is the most devolved country, it shouldn’t be that difficult to lobby the UK government. Overall there is no reason the Scotish government couldn’t create a department and run such a system, after all the SNP I’m sure would love another motorhome out of it and a big slice of the cake. It just needs those in the know talking about a plan and coming up with it.
You say 2 things are missing I suggest imo it is at least 3
3rd being acceptance
As an individual’s credit history something important but not mentioned that needs to be taken into account which is not only something needed to realistically get on the lease ladder but it is also something that determines which rung you start off from
I suggest your forecasts may reflect those with a good credit history and as you said let’s not forget insurance and of course optional servicing and maintenance package and so on
All starts to add up imo more so for those without a very good credit history
I do agree in certain circumstances for some private lease is a great option
You say Given Scotland is the most devolved country; it shouldn’t be that difficult to lobby the UK government
I suggest that conversation will be tainted from the off as devolved decisions so far has resulted in a billion pound overspend
Nothing political but simply a reply to the mention of devolution and outlining the facts and realistically looking at them
Devolution has failed in its mission and because of that carries less weigh in any conversation imo
Simply a cycle of solving one immediate problem by creating or worsening another
1 billion overspend heading towards 2 billion by 29/30
Some of that overspend was on more favorable benefit payments that their England counterparts
Paying public sector 4.5/6.5% more on average than their English counterpart and so on
That had to be found from somewhere and that somewhere was found by redirecting funding from Scotland’s health and education Mmmmm
Not a sustainable model imo and not a good footing to be on when starting any conversation IMO
Scotland may be allowed to come up with something but the question is imo how much longer they can rob Peter to pay Paul
Im not knocking Scotland far from it and suspect its failures are dwarfed by those in England
To add and to finish on
I feel looking at their more generous welfare payouts that I and many others living in England may be better off if we actually lived there ( but will it last I suspect not)
But besides tbh its far to cold there for me to even consider
I do hope that the needs of everyone in the UK that needs to drive high miles for genuine reasons and those in all remote areas are considered and treated well
Otherwise the core of Motorbility that set out to help people with their independence will have been lost
The main thing to me is that most people reading this
I feel sure would understand my point/logic
Sorry Im unable to add anything else that may help you to understand
So I will have to leave it there
Mini classic no cost wheel design was changed today I will show original and imo the update sucks And looks like I will have to suck it up But not a deal breaker in the grand scheme of things
Those have always been the basic wheels for the Classic C Countrymans (Countrymen?) since it launched in 2024.
Correct
The post says shows originals
They have been now changed today and can be seen on the Mini configure web page
Mini classic no cost wheel design was changed today
I will show original and imo the update sucks
And looks like I will have to suck it up
But not a deal breaker in the grand scheme of things
Just to up date above
I said 17 of 40 minis were on order at my dealers via motorbility
It should have said 17/30 so over half of all minis on order
Kezo yes I ordered Classic All4 in blazing blue with white roof and caps Grey blue vescin/cloth seats that do look very nice tbh
Something else new to me and I am not sure if its unique to just Mini
I now know that Mini APS are not paid directly to dealer at pickup but you pay Mini you AP directly via bank transfer ONCE CONTACTED
I assume at least a couple of days prior to pick up to allow funds to clear
So therefore it goes hand in hand that if a pin is not put in ( whatever the reason) everyone would have to then wait to get their AP back ( I assume this is how things would have to work )
The monochrome is such a great deal at the moment and tbh all MINI EVs inc the ALL4 APs are very attractive.
But I feel that (based on gut feeling alone) LOW AP may not last much longer but there again if my Mini dealers figures are indicative across all dealers then Mini may not want to upset a strong income stream
I am sure the whole picture is far more complex to even try and predict
As far as the monochrome being pulled is concerned its wait and see but the prediction is quite probable
EDIT: Foot note for anyone looking back at this
Myend of lease 1/9/2026
Ordered 1/6/2026 Classic Countryman ALL4 Blazing Blue all things standard spec no mods
ALL4 are having no production issues as of now
My order Countryman Classic All 4 delivery as it stands today is expected to be OCT
But as most of us know that can and may well fluctuate going forward
Well happy to say car now ordered
One snippet that I did pick up on although it will have no affect on my order
There is a high probability that the Mini monochrome could in the short term be pulled from the scheme come July
Monochrome wheels are in short supply causing a big back log
Also I was told that 17 of the last 40 minis that were ordered were all via the motorbility scheme
