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It would be interesting if figures could be calculated on this forum how many people will leave the scheme that’s the only way to put pressure on Motabilty hit them in the pocket. Also with the elections coming up in Scotland and if Labour get wiped out it may put pressure on the UK government to look at how disabled people are voting.
I could probably live with most of it but as soon as I’m made to have a black box I’m out. Not going to be told how to drive, not allowed to accelerate, brake or drive over an hour FFS. Been driving since 17 (before that with my dad on disused aerodrome) and haven’t had an accident since I was 19.
I expect to see an exodus following any black box introduction if/when they ever decide to Inc existing leases
Well lets all not act surprised
We are after all dealing with politicians and Bankers ( what a double act that is to contend with )
When push comes to shove imo and in true fashion
Bankers ( think I spelt that right ) and .Gov will always continue to thrown the weakest and most vulnerable under the bus if/when its to protect their own fat salary’s
Soon as Im able to leave this dying uncaring scheme
I will
Kezo the man to speak to he is up all all these matters, there was posting in February on this site as regards the matter, several new owner on forums are still complaining several being left without a vehicle for months. I need to do some further investigation Hyundai/Kia hide their head in the sand as regards the Tuscon/Sportage issues, does not look good.
Cheers for that
Now I have been made aware of this issue
I will not need/seek anymore help as this issue will not be resolved by the end of next month
In fact now I am aware and understand how long this issue across Kia models continues to go on
I will as things stand be taking the smart approach and I will not be touching a Kia with a barge pole for at least another 3yrs
My next lease is my last motorbility lease ( escaped vat by the skin of my teeth and most other changes
But if the Black Box heads my way it will also be my shortest lease
Love Kia and a future private purchase once/if issues are resolved is something I would always consider
I wasn’t aware of this problem and thanks for highlighting this issue
As the EV3 was in my top 2 picks for my next months order
If this issue is not resolved by may 31st then the 300+HP Countryman it is
Call me cynical if you want but could this be from what I now understand to be a long running issue and could that be why for example the EV3 have such a low AP
Wider discussions by big bucks CEO Miller imo may well be needed when any manufacturer who is having know long running and well documented in this case KIA charging issues
And why after being made aware of the ramifications of these crucial issues to users are the manufacturers still to date being allowed to continue to churn out in this case low KIA AP LEASES to the most vulnerable lease users VIA MOTORBILITY without any challenge or threat of removal
There seems to be no care or oversight from Miller/Motorbility when it comes to policing such matters
The following link explains the issue in some detail if others like us are also concerned
Kia has not fully resolved the AC charging issues affecting their E-GMP platform vehicles (EV6, EV9, and newer EV3) as of early 2026
If there has indeed been any such survey/consultation
I have yet to see any detail/data from it
imo this whole episode comes across as being about as well run and above board as the so called Timms review
Rushed,blinkered
Already determined
Smoke n Mirrors
But we are dealing with .Gov/Bankers so I am not to surprised about anything tbh
Everyone has a tipping point. This year Shrinkflation and higher prices means the supermarkets literally have millions of unsold Easter eggs. We have stopped going to our usual coffee shop as I refuse to pay almost a tenner for two drinks. The same I believe will happen to motability, higher prices, less choice, a poorer package, and for some black boxes and the control this brings. So, whilst many will still use motability, unless there is a revision of the new mileage and excess fees, I would expect to see a significant fall in scheme users. Not the 64% mentioned in an online video, but certainly a % in double digits. Some will lease privately, some buy second hand and perhaps a few new, and there will be some who will keep the cash and use Taxis/Mobility scooters. The acid test for many will be “Does the scheme offer me good value for money and what I need?”
I agree
And when I ever surmise
I am also mindful of any possible impact on PIP/scheme numbers following the Timms so called review come September
Motorbility changes in part have as we know already been laid out
I say in part as some changes are still being decided on
And because of those known and also feared unknown future changes many people will either not want to join/or will choose/or have no other choice than to leave now or at end of lease
So a combination of things imo will have a big impact on what this scheme will look like in say 12/18 months time
No (and without being awkward) The law changes to enable the VAT are quite clear, all cars leased from 1st July are subject to VAT, regardless of when they were ordered. So while all cars ordered after July 1st will attract VAT (save the usual exemption) some ordered this quarter will also attract VAT. That all depends on when dealers can deliver, so many APs are probably higher than they should be now to absorb some of that potential VAT. It’s probably on higher AP cars, and those that are most likely not to be delivered until after July 1st; another reason for the Enyaq increase. I also suspect to keep things simple next quarter there will still only be one AP per VIN; those that don’t have to pay due to significant adaptions and a fulltime wheelchair user will have their AP reduced after their application hits pending
Explain how some cars ordered this quarter before the 1st of July will attract vat to the Advance Payment. As far as I am aware any car ordered before the 1st of July no matter when delivery takes place will not have vat added to the AP
I agree
Thais what I thought and from motorbility web site
What does this mean for you
If you order before 1 July 2026
There will be no change to the terms of the agreement we sent when you ordered your car. You can find details of your terms and conditions in your online account or in the letter we sent to you shortly after you ordered your car.If you collect your car after 1 July, you might need to pay VAT on some payments, such as excess mileage or early termination fees.
Your Advance Payment will not change, no matter when you collect your car. Our price freeze means the price at the time you apply is locked.
If you order on or after 1 July 2026
Your lease agreement will include details of the payments and whether standard rate VAT is being applied.If you’re ordering a vehicle that meets the HMRC criteria for VAT concession your dealer will ask you to complete a Customer Eligibility Declaration to confirm you normally use a wheelchair or stretcher.
Jojoe wrote: A little over 18 months ago we got the Skoda Edition Suite for around £1500. Today it’s £6500. I really think this is the end of Motability. New guy here on the forum. This is absolutely…
Woah that seems so low back then. I paid £6700 for the sportline 85x maxx in q1.
£6700 is crazy. I think the scheme need to do something drastic or they will be on their knees in the near future.
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Near Future
The biggest change to scheme numbers in the near future imo will follow the so called Timms review
I do wonder what other ideas Andrew Miller may conjure up
in order to maintain his big bonus once the scheme numbers decline
When I hear or see the word drive smart it conjures up thoughts of smart motorways
As we know neither are needed and both are far from smart
I’m leaving the scheme altogether. I will have to give up work as i won’t be able to get there, but fuel and money saved on AP and the money from Pip will just cover the difference but it will cost me myself respect.
This really saddens me. The Motability scheme was set up to support people just like yourself, to enable you to lead as normal a life as possible and, wherever possible, remain in the workplace. The extortionate APs (on top of the already huge sacrifice of £13,000 benefits), added to the crippling 25p per mile surcharge for those doing over 10,000 miles a year (which many working people will do) is going to cause many others to have similar thoughts. Sadly, our current government seems utterly incapable of joined up thinking. I have lost count of the number of decisions where it is obvious to everyone, apart from them, that there will be second order consequences. For working disabled people to now feel that it’s better to lead a life on benefits, with the associated lack of self respect that you mention, rather than continuing to contribute to society is truly awful. Whilst all the adverse changes just announced won’t affect us, as we had decided to leave the scheme prior to the most recent announcements, I remain hopeful that the more that people highlight situations such as this Motability may reconsider the 25p per mile surcharge, which is so far out of line with the market it’s inexcusable.
Personally I am not so hopeful that enough people will be as concerned about the excess mileage surcharge
Simply because a small minority of private drivers exceed 10,000 miles annually compared to the general population.
I do expect going forward to hear louder voices when it comes to the VAT/Driving/ monitoring App
I am due to renew my lease in Sep and keeping in mind everyone has their own personal cut off point when it comes to scheme changes
My personal cut off points are VAT/Driving/ monitoring App which ever one meets me head on first
As of today my next lease remains unaffected by either but I will leave the scheme if/when either comes into play
So in 3yrs or less
Im off
Best wishes KingCardinal
I can Order my next car in a few weeks and on the last Quarters list there was 6 good options now there is only one and i don’t even have an MG dealership near me.We can’t get a Home charger for an EV and the nearest point is a slow charger 23 miles away. There is nothing big enough that is automatic and affordable, £2K for the cheapest van based vehicle is a beyond a joke. I can postpone till next next quarter in July but i fear that will be even worse. I guess those of us living in Rural areas are just forgotten.
+Vat in july would sway me if I was to order tbh
Hyundai Inster down in price
Was wondering as I only usually search EV was the countryman also available in petrol before as its there now
I thought it was only electric versions on the scheme but unsure now
My 3rd desperate choice Jeep avenger electric is no longer there but expect it to come back at some point
Kia EV3 done me proud as have Mini countryman
60 day wait to order now
if prices remain the same I will go up a spec to GT Line
But positive so far for my 2 top picks
Hope its correct
Sure I will be told if otherwise 🙂
https://www.kia.com/uk/new-cars/offers/motability-scheme/full-price-guide/
New Toyota bZ4X
Found this video as a just released mototclarity release a few hrs ago via duckduckgo but when posting here it reverts back to the old video link
Is this joining the scheme looks like it
Suspect the will be on youtube uk with motorclarity branding once Q2 is here
.Gov and motorbility imo have both put their necks in a noose and as time goes by it will get tighter and tighter
The full implications/fallout/and loss of jobs that will follow these latest changes have yet to be seen
Sprinkle of Timms come Sep and the denial of thousands of PIP awards that will imo follow and this scheme will imo be at least 25% smaller in 18/24 months than it is today
I so want to be wrong
Breaking news
Asda boss warns of ‘temporary shortages’ at some petrol pumps amid Iran war
Every time Motability place a new barrier to the scheme, lower milage, higher advance payment, higher cost per mile if you go over 10,000 miles a year! Less tyre allowance. Insurance excess up. 400% in excess milage! 50% less milage allowance. Not exactly saying welcome to new members or keeping old ones on the scheme! Basically offering less for more money. All negatives not one single positive. PIP is not an out of work benefit, so many will need their Motability vehicle to travel to and from work. Work 5 days a week, 20 miles each way = 200 miles a week x 50 that’s the 10,000 miles used up!
I know crazy isn’t it and not thought out
The full implications and fall out from all of this is yet to be determined
My guess is it will be seismic and extend much further than just the scheme
I can see more phones going missing/lost lol when this all hits the fan
Me thinks the think tanks that came up with this sticky plaster idea needed to think a lot harder and for a lot longer
The UK car industry will struggle. The garages have had a steady stream of low mileage 3 year old cars to sell on to the general public. If people leave the scheme, the supply will rise and then dry up. The public looking for a 3 year old low mileage car will have to pay a lot more. Not good for the UK Economy.
Agree
Now add this to the mix
Sep/so called Timms review ( imo already determined before it even started ) is due to conclude and its well known that he does not have any final say
( lol we could argue well that was a few million quid wasted then )
The final say we were told will be down to DWP head Pat McFadden ( lets not forget what he has said in the past and that he was cough cough phone loosing McSweeney right hand man.
My point is this PIP Qualifying criteria is one thing under the microscope and some can expect many as yet undermined changes imo
Everything else to one side as we are talking about the scheme
The outcome of the Timms review will imo have a bigger impact on the scheme/motor industry than all of the latest changes put together
We will see
Cheers Kezo for clarification appreciated
Seems I am fortunate enough to be able to renew my lease before July
But I will be saving hard and as I will be leaving the scheme
That maybe in 3yrs time or perhaps even sooner
To be accurate
The minute I’m told that I have to use a black box or App
Im off
Either way I am positive this will be my last car on the scheme
Another .Gov think tank media feeding exercise that’s about to go horribly wrong imo
Ive overdone things yesterday and now I have a lot of things going on today and brain fog being one of them in particular
Any advice appreciated and just want to be clear
If a new car is ordered prior to July ( my lease is ending Sep ) which of these multiple changes will affect the new lease
Many thanks
I was thinking the same thing myself
Although only a supposition/suspicion as per my post
(@wmcforum )
Whilst I am no Einstein but simply using a dash of logic
When you look at the fact that trump often doubles down on his mistakes and will not quit especially when he can now continue to hide behind and mock all of those that turned up and served their country
But this time it looks like he has failed to hold all of the cards
“I digress”
Many things imo are sure to only get worse
Motorbility and car manufacturing can see this and imo will want to act asap and do what they can now rather than wait until they are fully impacted by the expected increased costs that this war will bring
How this war/vat/removal of lease extensions/ and so on will directly affect the scheme is anyone’s guess
I agree and also think it is very possible that lease extensions could be reintroduced if indeed the Iran war continues and you can be sure along with many other things that it will imo remain a consideration
