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Current: Chery Tiggo 8 'Summit' ICE
Previous Motability cars:
2013 Ford Focus estate auto.
2016 Vauxhal Zafira 1.4T SE Auto.
2019 Ford Kuga Vignale 1.5 auto AWD. (Ext lease)
2024 Renault Austral Iconic FHD (Early lease term.)
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Does anyone have any idea how this will affect those of us in Scotland? Any guesses? Will we be better off or worse off?
Since Social Security Scotland is just another tier of bureaucracy which copies what ever the U.K. Government does concerning benefit rates and Motability and the U.K. Government has responsibility for VAT, then I think we can assume that after Motability have had talks with the Scottish Government, then it is safe to say that we should not expect any real difference in Motability rules concerning the U.K Government and the Scottish Government and their citizens.
Surely for every mile below the 30000 mileage cap we should get 25 pence a mile. That money could go towards our next AP.
Cheers Kezo for clarification appreciated
Seems I am fortunate enough to be able to renew my lease before July
But I will be saving hard and as I will be leaving the scheme
That maybe in 3yrs time or perhaps even sooner
To be accurate
The minute I’m told that I have to use a black box or App
Im off
Either way I am positive this will be my last car on the scheme
Another .Gov think tank media feeding exercise that’s about to go horribly wrong imo
Are advance payments likely to still go up by 20% or does the changes announced today mitigate that?
Great!! Well come renewal time in 2 years I think we’ll be leaving the scheme. 10,000 miles just isn’t going to cut it shopping is a 26 mile round trip and hospitals can be up to 150. All these extra charges plus the 3p a mile EV tax just too much
We’ve been on the scheme since 2001 and I think we started at 10k then and had to pay £100 then.
Are advance payments likely to still go up by 20% or does the changes announced today mitigate that?
The truth is that we don’t know and what has been announced today doesn’t give us much clue, other than the fact that without the adverse changes announced today the average lease would be going up by £1,100. That’s an interesting figure, as that would be a lot more than 20% on the average AP (the average AP is going to be well below £5k).
Given that most people have no more than 2 tyres per lease anyway, the average customer only does 7,500 miles a year and less than 1% take their cars abroad, I can’t imagine that the changes announced today are going to amount to much of a saving. There’s the potential for big slugs of income from the excess mileage charges but, as those who are affected are saying, that level of penalty is far more likely to drive higher mileage customers away from Motability as it won’t make financial sense for high mileage users to stay in the scheme.
My hunch is that we won’t see a flat 20% hike in APs on 1st July. We will just get a continuation of the gradual and persistent upward trajectory of APs that we’ve been witnessing over the past few years. During that time, many APs have gone up by 100% or more, so another 20% is easily absorbed over a couple of quarters.
…you may fall fowl of the new Drive Smart criteria depending on how they interpret ‘ new-to-scheme’
- Anyone who is applying for their first vehicle on the Motability Scheme regardless of the age of their drivers
- Anyone who hasn’t had a lease with us in the last 7 years including anyone who started a lease and didn’t complete it within the same timeframe
The second half of the second point could catch a lot of people out.
That second half of the second point is baffling. Why should early termination of a lease (which can be for many different valid reasons) mean drive smart has to be fitted to a new lease? I don’t see the link.
Probably because they know some will terminate early to get around the July changes, and the drive smart option will discourage that.
On BBC Question Time last night they were talking about cost of living pressures, and a lady in a wheelchair mentioned the changes to the Motability scheme that were going to be costing people over £1,000. In a typical government dodge, the government minister on the panel said that he was happy to talk to her “after the programme” about “her situation”, which leaves the audience thinking that the issue is specific to her, rather than all Motability customers 😡
Typical politician’s poor response wasn’t it. They are going to cause real hardship with these new restrictions.
PravdaQuestionTime you only get what they want you to hear.
Nothing on the BBC is news, it is just the Govt mouthpiece.
On BBC Question Time last night they were talking about cost of living pressures, and a lady in a wheelchair mentioned the changes to the Motability scheme that were going to be costing people over £1,000. In a typical government dodge, the government minister on the panel said that he was happy to talk to her “after the programme” about “her situation”, which leaves the audience thinking that the issue is specific to her, rather than all Motability customers
I saw that. It was the “we’re helping keep the scheme affordable” comment that had me shouting at the TV. I’ve never known adding to costs be referred to as making it affordable. I’ll be chasing my MP to see what BS he tries as I point out the realities of where the changes and the availability/prices of the scheme puts us.
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Just a quick thought.
Is this legal? I always thought charities cannot just simply take away or reduce a service for disabled based on a “average” unless that charity is at risk of going insolvent.
It stinks of indirect discrimination
I’m no good at maths but is an average saying 50% of motability “customers” drive far more than 10,000 miles a year ?
With the lease agreement of any other company extra mile fees are between 5p and 15p what information have they used to increase the cost to 25p
Where are the sums? How much would it cost to keep the 20k allowance, and why does it even matter to reduce it? Apart from the value of the car at the end of the lease I can’t see why and if it’s a decision based on profit again is that lawful for a charity to do?
We have made the easy decision to leave motability when our lease ends next year. As a disabled customer who works and needs that transport for both travelling to and from work as well as medical appointments and you know maybe daring to want to go out somewhere in-between for shock horror to have some fun, they will no longer get our business, maybe we will spend our PIP on tattoos, massive TVs and cigarettes
But Rachel from accounts has bowed down to the multi millionaires tax dodging MPs of Reform.
Just a quick thought. Is this legal? I always thought charities cannot just simply take away or reduce a service for disabled based on a “average” unless that charity is at risk of going insolvent. It stinks of indirect discrimination I’m no good at maths but is an average saying 50% of motability “customers” drive far more than 10,000 miles a year ? With the lease agreement of any other company extra mile fees are between 5p and 15p what information have they used to increase the cost to 25p Where are the sums? How much would it cost to keep the 20k allowance, and why does it even matter to reduce it? Apart from the value of the car at the end of the lease I can’t see why and if it’s a decision based on profit again is that lawful for a charity to do? We have made the easy decision to leave motability when our lease ends next year. As a disabled customer who works and needs that transport for both travelling to and from work as well as medical appointments and you know maybe daring to want to go out somewhere in-between for shock horror to have some fun, they will no longer get our business, maybe we will spend our PIP on tattoos, massive TVs and cigarettes But Rachel from accounts has bowed down to the multi millionaires tax dodging MPs of Reform.
I can’t answer all of that but here’s my thoughts:
1, The average is 7,500 miles a year, that means quite a few doing next to nothing and a few going over 20,000.
2, 25p excess miles is probably just a number plucked out of the air. They’ve taken 15p from commercial leases and added a number for insurance, maintenance and cover that Motability offer.
3, the sums are based on depreciation. They will have seen from experience how much they get for 20,000 cars and 7,500 ones. From that they’ll know just how much the new allowance should create to cover the VAT increase. Dealers on various Motability groups have said that this will more than cover the tax increases and they’re the ones buying our cars.
Yes, this was Labour running in fear of Reform’s popularity and what Tice & co was saying about the unjust ‘free cars’. It’s been left to us and a few pressure groups to put pressure on our MPs and ensuring they are aware of just how wrong these measures really are and how they severely impact our lives. They want us working but just prevented us using those cars to get to work, genius.
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It is legal and it’s not discrimination. Motability Operations is, and always has been, a commercial business, not a charity. They also happen to pay all of their employees (not just the CEO) way above what other call centre operations pay their staff (plus gold plated benefits), even though they are a monopoly and don’t face the competitive pressures that other businesses face. It’s easy money for them. Whilst it might be immoral, especially as their revenue comes from disabled people, it’s not illegal
Whilst the recently announced changes make the scheme far less attractive than it was, all customers still benefit from full VAT exemption on the core lease. Disabled customers buying privately can only get the VAT knocked off if they are full time wheelchair users and need a permanent and substantial modification. Therefore, if there is any discrimination, it is in favour of Motability customers, not against them.
We are leaving Motability, but not because of the changes announced yesterday, as none of those would affect us (the addition of VAT on APs from July would though). Our decision was already made based on poor choice (we aren’t interested in EVs or Chinese cars) and the fact that we don’t want to be limited to what Motability will ‘allow’ us.
If there has been a change that is discriminatory, it’s the removal of ‘luxury’ brands from the scheme. Disabled customers who prefer these brands are no longer allowed them, even if they are willing and able to pay the extra cost of leasing them. There is zero financial sense to this decision. It is purely about optics. I sit uneasy with that, as it adds to the stigma being created by politicians, the press, social media and the great British Public about the ‘type’ of people who have Motability cars, so we are taking our money elsewhere and buying a very nice BMW which, thanks to what this government has done, everyone will know is not a Motability car 😂
I agree completely with this!
We are awaiting delivery of what I think will be our last Motability car. Our reasoning is much the same as yours. We had to go large Chinese SUV (Tiggo 8) this time because we aren’t quite in a position to lease privately yet. We should be by the end of this lease.Current: Chery Tiggo 8 'Summit' ICE
Previous Motability cars:
2013 Ford Focus estate auto.
2016 Vauxhal Zafira 1.4T SE Auto.
2019 Ford Kuga Vignale 1.5 auto AWD. (Ext lease)
2024 Renault Austral Iconic FHD (Early lease term.)There are now 3 topics covering the topic for feck sake!
Can you fit another bus in that pic, cus its increased to 4 topics now covering the same thing for fecking hell fire!
😂😂😂
5 if you include the thread I started that’s vanished into obscurity when the change page was initially posted. I haven’t even bothered adding this news to that as it’s been utterly covered here.
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Has anyone submitted a FOI request to see what the mileage proportions are?
As Motability Operations are a private company the FOI does not apply to them. If asked, they will probably say it is commercially confidential or commercially sensitive anyway. A good way for companies not to answer a question. My employer does it all the time.
As an aside the DfT quoted annual car mileage was circa 7500 across all motorists.
Yeah you’re right they’ve refused it but did have this to say about mileage.
“By the time your renewal window comes around, we will have a more streamlined process in place for customers who require additional mileage, but in the meantime you are welcome to keep an eye on the website for updates on what this may look like.”
Luckily we’re not due to renew until June 2028 so it’s wait and see again.
5 if you include the thread I started that’s vanished into obscurity when the change page was initially posted. I haven’t even bothered adding this news to that as it’s been utterly covered here.
The one I asked to be a sticky?
Though its unlikely to have made a blind bit of difference!
Has anyone submitted a FOI request to see what the mileage proportions are?
Even if we could, I can’t see what it would achieve. As a commercial business, Motability Operations are at liberty to impose a 10,000 annual limit to bring them more into line with commercial leases.
Where I think it goes wrong is that the punitive 25p per mile excess charge will price many higher mileage users out of the scheme who can’t really afford to go elsewhere. Therefore the excess charge should be around half that or, better still, have a menu option with APs for each car, where the AP varies based on how much mileage allowance you need.
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