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@Kezo The PHEV Sportage GTLS was only £2,799 (99% sure). It was the cheapest car on the scheme that ticketed all the boxes. It wasn’t ordered because it was a PHEV, although the fact that it was a PHEV was beneficial to me. For a 3 year lease, I think I’d only be happy paying an extra £500 to “upgrade” from HEV to PHEV.
Currently have a PHEV on Motability and a privately owned Mini JCW, which I purchased recently for fun and driver engagement.
I have found that I’m often wishing the PHEV has a longer EV range, or that EV mode will engage instead of the engine (short trips in cold weather means the engine is on for 80% of the time). This strongly suggests that for any journey beyond where the purpose is purely for the fun of driving (my Mini) an EV would be very suitable.
But if I could only have 1 vehicle (such as DWP suddenly deciding I no longer qualify for PIP), I think I would stick with pure petrol, non-SUV. I didn’t once take my last Motability car (Sportage mhev) or current Motability car (Sportage PHEV) out for a drive, purely for the pleasure of driving and I missed that coming from MANY years of driving mid-sized hatchbacks (mostly Golfs).
In short, unlike many that like EVs as a second car for short journeys, I like to have a comfy EV as my primary car, with the petrol saved for fun.
I’ve had my PHEV Sportage since September and I must say that now the temperature is dropping, the engine runs for most of the short journeys. I was expecting the engine to run to heat the cabin, but even with the temperature turn down (or even off), the engine runs. I’m 99% certain this is to get the engine warm. It does make sense – if it stayed in EV mode and I had to floor the accelerator the engine would kick in when it is COMPLETELY cold and very excessive wear would occur.
This has resulted in me learning that PHEVs are not suitable for very short drives, nor very long drives. I’ll be doing a round trip of around 38miles in a few minutes and that is the sort of journey where this set up excels.
If the vehicle isn’t on the production line yet, then I’d act as quickly as possible before it is. To be honest if, if you cancelled in October and Motability weren’t any help, I wouldn’t have left it until a week before Christmas.
Really hope you get it sorted, it’s a substantial sum of money.
I was offered the option of paying £25 for fuel when ordering. I decided I’d pay it.
Upon collecting my car (plug-in hybrid) it was a different sales person who said, “We’re sorry we couldn’t charge your car up ready for collection, so we’ve filled it with fuel”.
I was happy with that. But when I went to pay AP (fortunately they accepted credit card), the price still included the original £25 fuel allowance. The sales person couldn’t figure out how to remove it and then made out that it was still chargeable as they give me a “full tank”, rather than just £25 of fuel.So, in brief, I think paying towards fuel is becoming more common. With less work being authorised (such as final service) by Motability, I think dealerships are having to penny pinch in response to less work they can bill to Motability.
@Kezo are you hoping that at least 50% of the BHP is produced via the electric motor?
According to google (well it’s admittedly not very intelligent AI) The KIA Sportage’s total BHP of 261BHP is made up of 90BHP electric motor and 177BHP petrol engine. I do realise 90+177 does not equal 261, but I do believe that the motor is producing less than 50% of the overall power.Picked up my PHEV KIA Sportage GTLS last month and as mentioned above, if the majority of your journeys are within the EV range, then they’re economical. But, I’d guess most people with PHEVs want longer range, which in turn means that they prefer driving in EV mode. Therefore, a full EV may make more sense. For the top trim level Sportage in PHEV variety, the AP was low enough for that car to make the most financial sense.
It’s a boring vehicle, that does it’s job and has all the tech that I want. But yesterday, I put a deposit down on a used Mini JCW. 95% of the time we don’t require a second car, but I enjoy driving and needed something fun.
@Glos Guy Thanks. That sounds as simple as possible.
My electric tariff ends in Feb, so by then I should have a good idea of how much energy I’m putting in to the car and work out if an EV tariff would be better (I doubt it).Ended you going for https://www.cord-ev.com/cord-plus-portable-ev-charger-3-pin-5m.html
Not the cheapest, at £116 (with discount code), but the 3yr warranty was what clinched it for me.As mentioned earlier, I’ll be sticking to my 20p/kW tariff, rather than an off peak EV tariff. The charger has a delay function and you can alter the charging current (6A/8A/10A) too.
Could either of you give me a “Quick Start” guide for a basic charge?
I’m hoping it’s just a case of, plug both ends in, and switch on the socket and, possibly, cable?
Hopefully I won’t have to mess around with the multi media system, or App.Thanks
@Oscarmax Perhaps if you have already ordered your next vehicle and the lease is auto extended to cover the delivery period, then they won’t service it. But if they’ve allowed a set period extension, such as a further year or two, then they’ll allow dealership to service it.
@kezo KIA are apparently strict on services being done on time (as well as genuine parts). My car as gone past its service due date.Motability never have serviced my cars at the end of the lease. It’s just to save money.
I didn’t book the service due to it being the end of lease, it was due it’s service (message on dashboard).
Is that because you’ve already had the lease done earlier? I.e. you didn’t collect your new vehicle exactly 3yrs later, such as you were awaiting delivery for your new vehicle.
I’m on my 5th Motability car and always have had the year 3 service
Get well soon. Lacerated kidney sounds very painful and more importantly, hope the kidney isn’t damaged.
I ended up in A&E last week and then by ambulance to surgical assessment ward to another hospital. They did a CT scan and found out that I have an extra piece of intestine (1-2% of population have this) and it had become infected. I’d argued for a week with my wife saying, “I’m not going to the Drs or A&E with bellyache”. Next time I might listen to her.
Fortunately, I’m back home already and as the different high strength antibiotics are working, they decided not to operate. I’m also now trying to get my blood thinners to the correct level with the antibiotics affecting them.
Lease lengths, when you ordered and how much has already been paid to you, all affect how much GCP (Good Condition Payment) you will receive.
To find out how much you will get, log in to your Motability account.
Click ‘Payments’ (left hand panel) > Good Condition Payments > **OK at this point, I’ve now seen that they’ve removed the amount that is still owed to you** I know a short while ago it showed all eligible payments, then listed what has already been paid to you. Now it only shows what has been paid to you. I had been paid £350, but was still due some.
The New Vehicle Payment still shows how much you should get and when the payments were made to you.I’m 99% certain that when I ordered my car, the GCB was £500, which means I should receive £150 when I hand my car back in a few days.
*EDIT- Researching online it appears that before the GCB was replaced by GCP (1st October 2022), the rate was £600 for a car (£900 WAV). Therefore I should receive £250.
I just hope Motability hasn’t removed this information with the plan of not paying the correct GCB.*Further EDIT for OP. It looks like prior to 1st October 2022 (name change date), 5 yr leases earned £900 GCB. BUT, I don’t know how far back, from 1/10/22 the £900 GCB was applicable.
Thanks @Glos Guy , I do regret not ordering the Volvo V60, but the upfront costs and running cost of the Sportage was too hard to ignore (as well as my wife’s reservations about the Volvo).
Wottz seems to be a recommended cable, but expensive, so I’ll wait for @kezo’s opinion.
I’ll be picking up my Sportage PHEV next month.
I’ve had an electrician fit an “EV rated” outdoor socket. He’s put in a new consumer unit and dedicated trip switch for the outdoor socket, so I think I’ve done everything to prevent any risk involved with charging.
The only thing I need to do is pick a charging cable. I’ll likely be leaving the cable outside. I.e. plugged in to the socket (it’s lockable) and buy a holder for the end that plugs in to the vehicle.
I’ve done some research on cables, but just wanted some advice on which brand and features you guys would recommend.
I can confirm that when I ordered the Sportage PHEV, a few weeks ago, I was told no granny charging cable.
The dealership also informed me that I have to pay for £25 of fuel.
Shifting to an EV tariff won’t guarantee savings. I’m currently on 20p/kW fix and the EV tariffs have much higher day rates. Combine that with us being quite heavy electric users in home and low annual mileage, EV tariff wouldn’t benefit us……
…although if Tomato energy go bust (there’s a fairly good chance), then I’d have to do the sums again with whatever tariffs are available at the time.
@Kezo I thought previously you’d calculated that auto was better than HEV mode when driving beyond the EV range.
I think I’m correct in saying – always best to save EV mode with the aim of arriving at home with depleted battery. But I’m more confused about when to use HEV vs AUTO, albeit mine will be the Sportage.
At 25p I’d guess even charging a PHEV, so long as it’s in a convenient location and you needed a break from driving, would be worthwhile.
I agree with @MFillingham . The filter won’t get blocked when not in use, so it’s all down to how many short (cold engine) trips you do between the long (hot engine) trips. Love BMW 3 series, X3s (last gen) and X5s, but with very little included as standard, the price soon rises with option packs, meaning the second hand market doesn’t have many with memory seats, adaptive cruise and to a lesser degree, 360cam. All the things I’m now used to.
Ended up ordering the PHEV Sportage. Over 3 years I think I’ll save around £2,500 vs the Volvo V60, so whenever I get envious seeing a V60 on the road, I’ll remind myself that the £2,500 will go towards completing some more sections of Route66.
Funnily enough, I’ve just ordered the Sportage PHEV GTLS a few hours ago.
Currently have the MHEV version and can’t wait to get rid. The problems with the MHEV (clogging particulate filter and dire mpg), shouldn’t occur with the PHEV.
My heart was definitely with the Volvo V60, but it made no financial sense with the Sportage being such good value. My wife works at the top of a hilly area that doesn’t seem to get much attention from the council when it snows, so prefers AWD. It’s also a tight manoeuvre getting on and off our drive, especially when neighbours park on the road near our house.
@TheSUVguy It seems that they need to decide how quickly they want the car and how flexible they are with any potential price increases. Do note that the PHEV version of the New updated Sportage isn’t been released until quite a few months after the ICE and HEV ones. So I see no chance of getting the updated PHEV.
@TheSUVguy I’d recommend they read and follow Kezo and Glos Guy’s thread about their Tucson PHEVs as it will give good insight in to getting the most out of the cheap EV miles.The top of the range Ioniq 5 made my short list, good AP for what you get. The only thing that put me off was that the ICCU still seems unreliable (and somewhat unsafe). Also, wife didn’t want rear wheel drive which also ruled out quite a few EVs.
I went to Huddersfield Volvo and they’d sold their demo V60. Didn’t even have one in the showroom to sit in. Went to Bradford Volvo and they were really helpful. Had one in the showroom and also offered a test drive (no need to book ahead) of a nearly new V60. Not the same engine, or trim level, but they did the best with what they had and at least I now know that it’s very comfy.
It was on my list and was offered a test drive. I sat in it and in my opinion it felt really cheap and as I then knew I definitely wouldn’t order one, I politely declined the test drive. The salesman explained that it was because of all the recycled materials (why it looked and felt cheap), but I’ve been in a few other cars that have lots of recycled materials and they’ve felt and looked fine.
I’d strongly advise you to go have a look and feel no matter how far you need to travel.
Took a V60 for a test run and that was great. Heart is saying V60, head is saying Sportage GTLS PHEV.
