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As europe now knows people have turned their backs on EVS which are ok for short around town journeys and with the weight of the cars now being charged road charging as they damage the roads more. They to me are like glorified large mobility scooters with batteries that are not only too expensive but not fit for purpose for disabled people with heavy charging cables and a lot of chargers with no overhead covers from the weather and access problems for wheelchair users quite frankly ridiculous but the Evangelist’s will come on here keep on saying why they want to buy pure rubbish cars with so many electrical problems and made by a quite frankly non free society just beggars belief is it it me do you guys not get angry that only motability supports this rubbish and soon no other fueled cars will be on the scheme it is very worrying. And with the anti pollution brigade like Ed Millilibilly at the helm heaven help us with petrol and new fuels which are more green coming and the combustion engine anti pollution measures these cars now are cleaner than ever we are being brainwashed into accepting pure drivel which people are now like europe and the manufactures now know we are not buying it.
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The misinformation is strong in this post.
Our roads survived adequately for decades with HGVs but now, when funds are short for maintenance, it’s all EV’s fault the roads are crumbling.
Yes, charging for disabled users, especially wheelchair users, needs improvement anyone trying to say otherwise needs to look around at public charging facilities.
I’ll ignore the rest of the rant.
BEVs are now a personal choice. Yet some are still reacting as if they’ve been held at gunpoint every time they go to a dealership. The reality is that you’ll have plenty of choice for decades to come, why not just roll with that? If you don’t want an EV, good for you, if I do why should I need to justify the new technology? They’re not as broken or unreliable as you’re making out.
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As europe now knows people have turned their backs on EVS which are ok for short around town journeys and with the weight of the cars now being charged road charging as they damage the roads more. They are not fit for purpose for disabled people with heavy charging cables and a lot of chargers with no overhead covers from the weather and access problems for wheelchair users quite frankly ridiculous
Most electric cars weigh no more than the equivalent internal combustion model. Yes there are some exceptions like the EV9, EX90 and Ioniq 9, but then again, they equate for a tiny fraction of electric vehicles. Plus none of those vehicles can be leased on Motability.
You could say exactly the same about refuelling a petrol or diesel car if you’re a wheelchair user. You know, those giant curbs, high to reach interfaces and heavy nozzles? Doesn’t sound like accessibility to me…
Nobody is forcing you to have an EV, it’s heavily incentivised because the list of positives significantly exceeds the negatives.
Except if you’re a reader of The Scum, The Daily Fail, or GBeebies whose majority shareholders are heavily invested in big oil companies. Then you end up being incredibly narrow minded about the idea.I’m glad that I’ve got a bag of popcorn left over from Christmas
Well pass it round
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Marmite flavour pop corn anyone?.
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Previous car:Peugeot 308 GT Premium 1.2 Pure tech Petrol.The misinformation is strong in this post. Our roads survived adequately for decades with HGVs but now, when funds are short for maintenance, it’s all EV’s fault the roads are crumbling. Yes, charging for disabled users, especially wheelchair users, needs improvement anyone trying to say otherwise needs to look around at public charging facilities. I’ll ignore the rest of the rant. BEVs are now a personal choice. Yet some are still reacting as if they’ve been held at gunpoint every time they go to a dealership. The reality is that you’ll have plenty of choice for decades to come, why not just roll with that? If you don’t want an EV, good for you, if I do why should I need to justify the new technology? They’re not as broken or unreliable as you’re making out.
Not sure about choice as most petrols are hybrids and unreliable even toyota has had starting troubles they say in reliability reports it is said the Mazda 2 ltr in the 3 model is more reliable than toyota and honda and it is the hybrids.And also being old school the quietness that is so boring and I am not saying the aftermarket exhausts are good but take the Abarth and the older Mini 1.6 cooper the sound was there quite throaty sound. I know the Evangelists will be out in force but it what many want to say and do say and it is true.
Also the insurance to buy an EV is out of the question as many insurance companies have caught on that many EVs have to be written off due to damage to batteries so the public have seen this as well and quite frankly not fit for purpose you will get idiots of course coming out on all or any comments against EVS but as to talking rubbish many will see people will go with there pockets unless you lease or contract hire one of them and this will reflect in the cost but Motability will be losing big time of depreciation but anyone buys one and has to take the hit which is going to be painful.
Seems a bit hypocritical that you’re going on about ’evangelists’ while forcing home your own viewpoint on combustion as if it was the only correct one.
It’s okay not to like EVs, but it’s not okay to force that opinion on others with misinformation.
I have both currently, they both have positives and negatives, but it’s fair to say that neither is technically good for the environment. We just have to choose whatever option suits us best, and nobody is forcing you to choose either way. Chill out.
Where do you get these facts? Daily Fail?
I don’t get caught up with discussions about hybrids as I genuinely can’t see the benefits beyond going full electric or not bothering at all, unless you live in a city and are avoiding a charge or two.
Just to let you know, if many people repeat a lie it doesn’t make it true.
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Buy the way misinformation is strong when you do not agree but most car driving enthusiast’s will say it is totally right and we are being conned brainwashed into something we do not want only the minority want this so let the gov let us vote on this and still keep combustion engined cars or new fuels which are green and keep the jobs going as you may know the VW polo petrol GTI has been culled and being replaced by an EV which VW already has shut down wolfsberg car assembly and made now a bad mistake on this one but we will see they do still have the Polo 1ltr toy engined car but it will not survive the like the bigger engined cars as these 1ltr like in the ford’s ecoboost they are a mechanic’s nightmare and some garages say the only thing to do is scrape engine and replace which is expensive so its not all one-sided this argument as petrols are involved. And it also includes new petrol and EV Minis as one tester of latest Mini has said why did Mini not leave the Air Con and other settings as they were on previous R56 Model as you cannot do anything now without gazing into a large crystal ball in the centre of the car holy moly what are they thinking the R56 looked good as well and the older Mini even better the JCW even have deckchair type material in-between bottom on steering wheel its not to me a good look and shame it is not a bad looker outside.
I really don’t get this we don’t want EV’s agenda.
There are plenty of non EV cars on the scheme for those who still want them.
Personally, I love my EV and wouldn’t swap it. Fair enough, EV’s are not for everyone but if you have the facility to charge at home, they make perfect sense.
Nobody at this point in time is forcing anyone to drive an EV.
Eee and there’s me thinking the opposite, Amsterdam to southern france is a nice quiet drive with a ev. There is no range anxiety as there’s loads of charging stations, even doing the arch enemy of charging, good old Elon, it’s so easy and the cheapest by the way.
The road tax mileage charging is just a squeeze by hmg to get more money into there coffers
One thing I notice is when it comes to everyone else they say we can’t have nice cars, Mercedes audi bmw but they can have rollers, Daimler, jaguars and fleets of range rovers
Just my 2 peneth
Yes but if buying your own EV would you I am thinking not as said there are not many petrols and certainly not any diesels left or big engined cars if you can list some Automatic large engined petrols pray do tell me.
Yes but if buying your own EV would you I am thinking not as said there are not many petrols and certainly not any diesels left or big engined cars if you can list some Automatic large engined petrols pray do tell me.
In a heartbeat. I’ve had 3 EVs, one of which was a scheme car. I’ve absolutely no problem buying a car that makes me feel less stressed. As an autistic person with sensory overload problems, driving in a car that only has road/wind noise and barely noticeable vibrations, I much prefer the EV as an environment to be in for any length of time. Then there’s regenerative braking, the ability to drive using only one pedal to both accelerate and decelerate from stop and back to stopped, saving me multitudes of leg rotations per journey, which saves a huge amount of pain in both knees and hips. Yes, if I need to stop quickly I can use the brake to do so, when I can’t it’s time to give up driving, but in normal situations, I can do all I need without the pain of unnecessary movement.
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But what will they be worth when you want to change not a lot and most sales are through motability and pre reg cars have you looked at this and also how many people have had there arm twisted to buy or order one as they tried it on me saying we have EVS in stock and it will take many months to get a petrol version. Anyway VW polo replaced GTI which had two ltr engine like Mini and replaced it on Motability with one ltr R which costs the same as the GTI was at £3999 now I may like many choose this but now Mini although I like Polo more for its space as nearly as big as the Golf but Motability for some strange reason surly does not class this as a luxury car as some of the EVS are more luxury than old polo. This though is nothing to do with EVS although the motoring press say the old polo petrols will go son and replaced with the polo EV. Now I maybe being a hypocrite in saying If I was choosing an EV I would go for 100% the Renault 5 as for me it looks a bit old school and different even the Macmaster I thought may have gone for it but heaven’s sake the long battery version is way too expensive but I would be tempted to eat my hat if it becomes affordable on the scheme but over £5000 it needs to be like up to £2000 for most if not lower.
@Vaun As always with statistics, it’s important to look at the whole picture. To take each of those 3 statistics in turn. Firstly, EVs are indeed experiencing strong percentage growth, but from a low base, so that’s not surprising. The 26% share is for November only. The 28% target is for the whole year, and it looks like the target will have been missed by a greater amount. Finally, it’s interesting that with all the push and heavy incentives to get people to switch to EVs, we still have a situation, even now, where for every person who chooses an EV, three don’t – and that’s before the government announced that they’d be starting to charge EV drivers per mile.
Of course, the most important statistic of all is that even with the above stats being true, EVs still only represent 1 in 20 of the cars on our roads (5%) and I suspect that a reasonable proportion of those are in households where they have more than one car (so aren’t totally reliant on an EV) and the vast majority can probably charge at home.
Yes but if buying your own EV would you I am thinking not as said there are not many petrols and certainly not any diesels left or big engined cars if you can list some Automatic large engined petrols pray do tell me.
It is indeed true that the average EV depreciates by far more than the average ICE car. Consumers don’t want used EVs, so their values have plummeted, whereas used ICE car values are holding up far better as people look to keep them longer.
However, whilst an EV doesn’t interest me (even though I could charge at home), there’s no denying that they make a compelling proposition for Motability customers who can charge at home and don’t do regular long journeys. As a Motability customer, you are shielded from the crippling depreciation, the high insurance costs, potential high repair costs (in an accident) and, of course, you get a free charger. If low running costs were my priority when choosing a car (which they aren’t) and I could convince myself that I’d like an EV (I can’t – yet), then I’d definitely look to Motability. The big stumbling point at present is that there aren’t any cars left on the scheme that even remotely appeal – but that’s the case with all cars of all types, not just EV’s!
Well, the popcorn didn’t last very long. I don’t quite understand this thread, or see the point of it.
The bottom line, with Motability, you find a car you like, at a price you like, and go for it. Why should anyone else care what car you go for? I don’t give two hoots what anyone else drives, and I doubt very much anyone cares what car I drive.
What @on_the_spectrum seems to have forgotten with his vitriolic opening post is, all of us have driven ICE cars and well aware of the shortcomings/challenges of a BEV.
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What you DO NOT WANT, and what you are GOING TO GET, are 2 different things, you dont want an EV, but get a load of disappointment, because like it it not…its coming.
Well, that answered that torrid post.
I like my EV. A lot. This is is my second one. 54,000 miles covered without any issues so far
Just today, I drove in the snow 20 miles to drop my wife off for her wee jog… that’s a 2 hr run for her. Was told not to go away as she’s been ill (hospitalised just before xmas) and wasn’t sure if she’d need assistance/collecting from the roadside. So I sat in the car, heater on 21 deg, seat heat on, reading my book. 2hrs 20 mins later (why is it always longer…lol) she came back, I’d used 2% of my 80kw battery, so that’s 14p to be toasty the whole time without worrying about leaving an engine idling or using lots of fuel. Outside temp 1 deg, weather app says feels like -9 due to wind chill.
I do this a lot as wife is training for the London Marathon, so gym 3 times a week and running at least 3 times a week, none locally as we don’t have any facilities or quiet enough roads on our doorstep. In fact, she’s already said there will be another run at 1pm tomorrow after I take her to Dundee for her echocardiogram.
Would I buy a second-hand one – yes. My son is on his second EV, not had any issues at all with either of them. He only changed to get a bigger battery (I did tell him at the time…lol).
I’m not EV mad, drive what you like, I may not be in an EV for my next car, time will tell…
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Wow a very misinformed post.
I’m on my first EV , 2 years in and could never go back to an ICE as my main car.
Clearly posted by someone with no clue on the subject
Never mind cars @Abercol your wife is truly amazing. You must be very proud of her. What an incredible woman.
If I come off the scheme I will buy a used EV, if I stay on the scheme my next vehicle will be a EV, to date I have had 2 PHEV on the scheme, would have happily gone for another PHEV but the AP’s are far to high.
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
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