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As europe now knows people have turned their backs on EVS which are ok for short around town journeys and with the weight of the cars now being charged road charging as they damage the roads more. They to me are like glorified large mobility scooters with batteries that are not only too expensive but not fit for purpose for disabled people with heavy charging cables and a lot of chargers with no overhead covers from the weather and access problems for wheelchair users quite frankly ridiculous but the Evangelist’s will come on here keep on saying why they want to buy pure rubbish cars with so many electrical problems and made by a quite frankly non free society just beggars belief is it it me do you guys not get angry that only motability supports this rubbish and soon no other fueled cars will be on the scheme it is very worrying. And with the anti pollution brigade like Ed Millilibilly at the helm heaven help us with petrol and new fuels which are more green coming and the combustion engine anti pollution measures these cars now are cleaner than ever we are being brainwashed into accepting pure drivel which people are now like europe and the manufactures now know we are not buying it.
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Currently have a PHEV on Motability and a privately owned Mini JCW, which I purchased recently for fun and driver engagement.
I have found that I’m often wishing the PHEV has a longer EV range, or that EV mode will engage instead of the engine (short trips in cold weather means the engine is on for 80% of the time). This strongly suggests that for any journey beyond where the purpose is purely for the fun of driving (my Mini) an EV would be very suitable.
But if I could only have 1 vehicle (such as DWP suddenly deciding I no longer qualify for PIP), I think I would stick with pure petrol, non-SUV. I didn’t once take my last Motability car (Sportage mhev) or current Motability car (Sportage PHEV) out for a drive, purely for the pleasure of driving and I missed that coming from MANY years of driving mid-sized hatchbacks (mostly Golfs).
In short, unlike many that like EVs as a second car for short journeys, I like to have a comfy EV as my primary car, with the petrol saved for fun.
I am in the luck – I see it was 211 this morning.
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Apologies for briefness and spelling mistakes.Motability Skoda Enyaq SportLine 85x April 2024 (unhappy customer - Ombudsman pending)
Motability Mazda CX-60 PHEV July 2023 (unhappy customer - early termination on mechanical grounds)
Motability VW Touran Family Pack May 2019 (happy customer)I have found that I’m often wishing the PHEV has a longer EV range, or that EV mode will engage instead of the engine (short trips in cold weather means the engine is on for 80% of the time). This strongly suggests that for any journey beyond where the purpose is purely for the fun of driving (my Mini) an EV would be very suitable.
Knowing what I know now and on the assumption I wouldn’t pay £7k AP for a PHEV, but still wanted to try one, Without a doubt, I would have gone for the 2025 MG HS PHEV (75 miles). My own BMW 220d Gran Coupe isn’t exactly fun, however I’m looking to upgrade to something more practical and decided, I will then leave the scheme.
Wouldn’t mind a Countryman JCW though!
@kezo, I have seen an article that Fiat announced immediate price reduction up to £4,000 for its 500e and 600e.
I had a colleague, who bought himself a retirement present last year: Abarth 500e in acid green.
I loved this car! Too small for me, but looks amazing and drives… Oh how it drives….
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Apologies for briefness and spelling mistakes.Motability Skoda Enyaq SportLine 85x April 2024 (unhappy customer - Ombudsman pending)
Motability Mazda CX-60 PHEV July 2023 (unhappy customer - early termination on mechanical grounds)
Motability VW Touran Family Pack May 2019 (happy customer)@kezo, I have seen an article that Fiat announced immediate price reduction up to £4,000 for its 500e and 600e. I had a colleague, who bought himself a retirement present last year: Abarth 500e in acid green. I loved this car! Too small for me, but looks amazing and drives… Oh how it drives….
And not to mention…
@Kezo The PHEV Sportage GTLS was only £2,799 (99% sure). It was the cheapest car on the scheme that ticketed all the boxes. It wasn’t ordered because it was a PHEV, although the fact that it was a PHEV was beneficial to me. For a 3 year lease, I think I’d only be happy paying an extra £500 to “upgrade” from HEV to PHEV.
@kezo, I have seen an article that Fiat announced immediate price reduction up to £4,000 for its 500e and 600e. I had a colleague, who bought himself a retirement present last year: Abarth 500e in acid green. I loved this car! Too small for me, but looks amazing and drives… Oh how it drives….
And not to mention… https://www.youtube.com/shorts/IKBWr8325Q8
An EV wanting to be an ICE😂
@kdwolf I doubt the 600e is big enough either? I was casual looking earlier and saw some 2025 ex demo BYD Seals c.£33k, even the 530bhp model lol.When I took screenshot it was -4c.
Currently it is -2c and unplugged – from the recent screenshot you can see it has increased slightly just with the difference of +2c – with pre conditioning I would expect it to add 20 mls – next time I charge and pre conditioning whilst plugged in I will take shots before and after.
@Tillyman Would I be correct in thinking that the range that you would actually get would be less than what the computer states, especially in these temperatures? I guess that EV drivers don’t ever plan to run the battery right down, so never really establish the true range, but with my PHEV the EV range shown on the computer is never achieved. As an example, I left a location yesterday that was 28 miles from home. The computer said that I had 25 miles EV range remaining but, in reality, those ‘25 miles’ were completely gone after 15 miles!
I will do my best to answer your questions as honestly as I can based on my limited winter experience of the Elroq – took delivery end of July.
If I am going out on a frosty morning I will always bring cabin up to 19c and defrost windows and mirrors – then put a/c on low to prevent any steaming up – this will use battery if not plugged in and effect range before getting in car.If I then continue with a/c on medium the range will be lowered and I will see it in real time – rough guide -10 – 20%.
however if I were going on a long journey in below freezing temperatures – would do all defrosting etc whilst plugged in – on commencing journey would have heated seats on a/c off and fan on low – not for any mile saving masochistic reasons , but because for the first 30mins – 60mins this works – I would expect a drop of 5-10%.My previous EV was a Kona and ticked many of the same boxes – but where the Elroq 85 differs is its speed of charging – so occasional expensive on the go charging for speed and convenience, for me is acceptable.
The Elroq for me is still a learning experience – I am in my seventies and don’t do a high mileage – shopping, gym and visiting family are my main destinations.
I am very pleased with the car – it just has kit that is practical mainly non gymicy and just works – reminds me of old Volvo’s.Hope this gives some insight 👍
I am in the luck – I see it was 211 this morning.
I have used pre-conditioning this morning, before driving to the office and then made 42 miles mainly on M3 using 50 (roadwork) or 70 cruise control most of the journey. This short trip knocked off 25% even after the car was preconditioned during the charging (before 07:00AM).
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Apologies for briefness and spelling mistakes.Motability Skoda Enyaq SportLine 85x April 2024 (unhappy customer - Ombudsman pending)
Motability Mazda CX-60 PHEV July 2023 (unhappy customer - early termination on mechanical grounds)
Motability VW Touran Family Pack May 2019 (happy customer)Interesting do you think the X two motors makes more of a % drop difference that one or is the % the same overall.
For the record if the Elriq had been an X at the right price – I would have had the reassurance of X over any slight battery range difference.
The X versions (I have an 85X) don’t really make much use of the extra motor, it’s there for traction control and a small boost in Sport mode but only works at speeds under (if I remember correctly) 20kph.
“The electric cars in the Enyaq iV family have a special Traction mode for driving on non-tarmac and slippery surfaces. All-wheel drive is again active from the moment you set off, remaining engaged up to a speed of 20 km/h.”
Most of the time the front motor isn’t used, even in Sport mode the drive power is split 70% rear, 30% front.
Please excuse spelling/typos. Apart from being a clot it turns out I had one on my cerebellum that's now causing various problems!
The Enyaq based the range estimate on the outdoor temperature. I took a screen grab from the app last night when the temp was -6c, it gave a range of 170 miles at 80%. I drove to the local supermarket this morning, temperature was 2c, the range was 242 miles whilst still at 80%. See images:
Yep in most instances within the first few hundred yards it readjusts to a more realistic mileage – but warming and defrosting whilst plugged in gives a closer indication of the outcome when actually driving.
I find that when I put a destination into the built-in Google Maps, that then is very reliable on the range. Or the % I will arrive at the destination with. If I don’t, it’s just guessing on my previous driving.
I get that not all cars don’t have Google Automotive, but it’s really a game-changer. In the cold weather, from my Mild hybrid, I was getting a max of 24 mpg. So its range was hugely reduced for my everyday usage, and so were the costs. I’m not really seeing those costs rise so much with the EV.
I also don’t use mains power to precondition much, as it costs more than using the traction battery, which was charged overnight at a cheaper rate. In February, that difference will increase by another 6p as my peak rate rises. So it will cost 4 times as much as using the car’s traction battery. Certainly, if I’m making a longer journey, then it’s slightly worth it. But day to day no…
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My Skoda app has its own map including various features that I have found very helpful.
The map I have found to be very useful especially for very good updates on road works holdups etc on route – it is as close to real time as I have experienced – used to use google maps – then as Apple improved I moved onto that as I use Apple car play anyway – but the Skoda app map in my opinion trumps the lot – very good on most occasions on recommendations for change of route for holdups etc – never going to be as good as local knowledge but not bad at all.Suggests charging points on route and assists with turning on preconditioning for more efficient charging – great on cold or hot days.
This is used when I make 250 mile + trips and what a reasonable range in battery on arrival – dosnt happen often – 3 or 4 times a year, but useful.
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