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The Eu were always going to give the required extension. They don’t want to be seen to be meddling in the U.K. decision making.
Calm down wigwam and fwippers your time will come to be excited but it’s not just now. Every time the leaving date arrived you got excited like children at Christmas only to be told Santa doesn’t exist lol ?.
If labour have any sense, which they haven’t, they will block any call for a GE. If they do BJ, or should I say Cummings, will lose the political place and do something really stupid. He can’t stand being out manoeuvred and he has been with every promise he has made BJ make having failed.
Labour should not get embarrassed into agreeing to a GE as keeping BJ on a string is their only workable strategy.
Surely the British public will eventually see BJ for what he is………surely?Labour could of course ensure they have enough MPs voting against a GE and then say their giving their MPs a free vote knowing it won’t pass but at the same time make it look like they wanted it.
Of course Labour could come across as a party which does not want to govern. I am excited, but as a consequence of different things, the rugby world cup, the upcoming Mosconi Cup and other things. Will Brexit ever get sorted? Perhaps things may look a bit clearer after todays vote. Developing all the time. At least we have a sunny, albeit crisp, day down south. Ideal for a drive and a coffe with a view, or should I say, vista? The big election question is not going to be Brexit, NHS, tax or anything like that but rural affairs and forestry and this is what is going to catch out the politicians!
Fwippers nothing will be decided today, just another defeat for BJ.
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Are the opposition starting to crumble?
Brexit: Row breaks out in People’s Vote campaign
A public row has broken out at the top of the People’s Vote campaign for another EU referendum.
Media chief Tom Baldwin has accused chairman Roland Rudd of putting “a wrecking ball” through the campaign.
Mr Baldwin said he had been fired by Mr Rudd – but would be going in to work as normal.
Mr Rudd denied firing Mr Baldwin, saying he “he has an opportunity for a different type of role” and denied there were strategic differences.
The campaign is supported by five groups – the European Movement UK, the Joint Media Unit, Our Future Our Choice, For our Future’s Sake and Wales for Europe and Open Britain – of which Mr Rudd is chair.
Over the weekend, the Financial Times reported that two senior figures of the campaign – Mr Baldwin, the former top adviser to Ed Miliband when he was Labour leader, and James McGrory, ex-deputy PM Nick Clegg’s former top adviser – had been asked to leave by Mr Rudd.
Mr Baldwin told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme that although Mr Rudd “technically controls my contract, he didn’t appoint me, he doesn’t pay me” and added he was still planning to go into work.
He added it was “extraordinary that Roland Rudd is acting like this is his campaign”.
“He is making mistake a lot of businessmen do when they dabble in politics, which is to think, because they have a certain title and board they own the campaign,” he said.
He also accused the Liberal Democrats of “playing some strange games” with the campaign, referring to their bid to have an election on 9 December.
Mr Rudd, who made his fortune as the founder of a financial PR firm, said “there is a problem when someone comes on this show and says the Lib Dems are no longer part of the People’s Vote”.
He dismissed suggestions a strategic division in the organisation had opened up over his desire to openly campaign for Remain as “an absurd argument”.
“The key thing now is that we have to keep our eyes set on the prize.
“We have every chance of getting that prize which is to get it back to the people – the more people see this deal the more they see its flaws.”
Asked if he had fired Mr Baldwin, Mr Rudd responded that “he has an opportunity for a different type of role”.
The BBC has been told that both Mr Baldwin and Mr McGrory were at the People’s Vote offices on Monday morning, as their 40 staff gathered for a meeting.
Tweeting in support of Mr Baldwin, People’s Vote campaigner and ex-adviser to Tony Blair Alastair Campbell said “after his [Mr Rudd’s] rare visit to the building today it is to be hoped those actually working for a second referendum rather than talking about it to their business pals (none of whom have made donations for months) can get on with their jobs and put this silly episode behind us”.
When we try and forecast, we consider all aspects but it can be the unknown which if known would not be unknown but sometimes thinking we know the unknown when we dont know is a problem because all we know is what we think we know and there are things we dont know or think we dont know or in fact do know but dont fully know. If only we knew. I think however the vote goes today it will be a victory for the Prime Minister.
Fwippers nothing will be decided today, just another defeat for BJ.
I notice you have not commented on my assertion Forestry and rural affairs will decide the next election!
I’ve no information on that fwippers and I’m happy to learn from you.
And please stop all this repetitive nonsense it really is annoying.
Fwippers on reflection if you enjoy it, who am I to complain.
Let’s have a show of hands.
It’s time for the prime minister to look for the nearest ditch words spoken minutes ago by Ian Blackford
Blackford says he wants EU residents to be able to vote in a UK national election. The EU itself doesn’t allow it!
“The people of Scotland made their position clear when they voted 62 per cent in favour of remaining in the European Union,” says the woeful Ian Blackford.
Imagine when he finds out what happened in the Scottish independence referendum.
A Tory shouted to Blackford sit down and shut up !
Brydo, Labour should win after nearly an era of Conservative led ups and downs. If Corbyn wasn’t the party leader I would put money on a new Labour government after the GE. I’m positive that won’t be the outcome though, because voters are afraid (terrified?) of putting Corbyn into Number 10.
Some people are afraid agreed, but a week is a long time in politics Pops, so they say, so who knows where loyalties, if any, lie?
it is astonishing to me however, that people have such short memories, especially of Labour’s mis-management of the economy , during the financial crisis, and also are in complete denial that they came within a hair’s breadth of bankrupting this country & then ( the cheeky sods ) along with their supporters blame the coalition for it & now blame the Tory government for austerity etc.., which of course was only necessary due to Labour’s 13 years of economic mismanagement , & btw — with not a Tory in sight!
Labour always spend more than we have and every Labour government has left the economy worse than they inherited.
As an example , Labour have consistently lied to the country about debt situations and even claimed that “By 2007-08, the public debt was significantly below , the levels inherited in 1997:” -this was an out & out lie.
The IMF confirmed that the prosperity that Labour prided itself on was in fact a ‘debt-fuelled illusion’, and crucially, it also confirmed that 2007 was the worst year for economic overheating since at least the 1970s.
The basic fact was that the Labour government was borrowing like there’s no tomorrow, & after April 2001, Labour simply gave up on balancing the budgets.
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The price of debt was kept artificially low, so households borrowed too.
It was a mountain of debt, built upon debt. Blair, along with Brown, really does bear huge responsibility for the longest recession in our history.Labour under Blair simply abandoned attempts to balance the books, leaving others to try and get us out of the mess they left, and who pays , even now ‘we do’ of course, the poorest in society, and if any one thinks that austerity up to now has been tough, think again, because life has been relatively easy compared to what is likely to happen if the wild Marxist spending agenda proposed by Corbyn and the ever sinister McDonnell (which will saddle us with mind blowing levels of borrowing/debt ) is implemented by Corbyn & Co.
Even Peter Mandelson has said today –
“Labour’s economic plan would devastate every day life for voters”
Yet people will still vote for them – turkeys snd Christmas

My o my another defeat for BJ he must be getting used to it by now. However he is bringing a bill to be voted on tomorrow and he might just win it.
If a GE is called, labour should pull the rabbit out of the hat and announce that corbyn is stepping down.
This would be all that is required for BJ to lose.
There is little doubt that labour will be decimated at the next election, and rightly so, but where does that leave the country. No credible opposition party, potentially an extreme right wing government in charge and no one speaking for the ordinary man and woman on the street. An extreme right wing Tory government with a large majority with many moderates gone and replaced by more extreme right wingers who will raise their voices for the many poor and disabled.
I would suggest that very few, if any, Tory MPs know what its like to be poor, to rely on benefits to get by. This was never explained to them in their high end schools and universities.
So at the ballot box don’t think brexit but instead think social justice think not of yourself but of those in need think who can be trusted to look after those who need help and I suggest a Tory vote will not be your answer.
Totally agree Brydo labour need a new young fresh leader like Jo Swinson and not an old dinosaur stuck in the past
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