Brexit?

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    POPS
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    This is the place for reasoned comment or questions about Brexit …. Posts must stay respectful at all times even when we believe that other posters are wrong.

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  • #98144 Reply

    gothitjulie
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    Well Khan has already blamed his relative Khan’s murdering spree yesterday on Conservative cuts, so I think that means someone else from Labour or the SNP is free to blame Brexit for something else even though it’s not happened yet.

    Tice wasn’t too happy about that SNP rat’s lies, about time someone pointed out that the SNP is a national socialist party who really hate us English & attack us whenever we go to do some work in Scotland, plus the SNP just had to suspend someone over antisemitic attacks & have their ex-leader in court over some serious sexual attacks.

    Terrifying times when people vote for such evil people.

     

    #98152 Reply

    Wigwam
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    Previously Khan said knife crime was all part and parcel of living in a big city. So surely there is no need for him to look for anyone to blame, and certainly no need for him as London Mayor try to do anything about it.

    #99934 Reply

    fwippers
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    Interview with Heseltine this morning who said “we have to accept now we have lost and we are leaving the EU”. No Mr Heseltine, you should have accepted this 3 & 1/2 years ago when we had the referendum. This has been the problem with too many remoaners and I suspect many will continue protesting.

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    Menorca Mike
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    Yes that’s right

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    #99961 Reply

    joss
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    A different Bias. and the infamous page 48 of Boris Johnson’s Manifesto.

    Watch the video.

    Then read page 48 of to conservatives manifesto

    Protect our democracy

    As Conservatives, we stand for democracy and the rule of law. Our independent courts and legal system are respected throughout the world.One of the strengths of the UK’s constitution is its ability to evolve – as times have changed, so have Parliament, government and the judiciary.

    Today, that need is greater than ever. The failure of Parliament to deliver Brexit – the way so many MPs have devoted themselves to thwarting the democratic 48 Once we get Brexit done, Britain will take back control of its laws. As we end the supremacy of European law, we will be free to craft legislation and regulations that maintain high standards but which work best for the UK.

    We want a balance of rights, rules and entitlements that benefits all the people and all the parts of our United Kingdom.After Brexit we also need to look at the broader aspects of our constitution: the relationship between the Government, Parliament and the courts; the functioning of the Royal Prerogative; the role of the House of Lords; and access to justice for ordinary people.

    The ability of our security services to defend us against terrorism and organised crime is critical. We will update the Human Rights Act and administrative law to ensure that there is a proper balance between the rights of individuals, our vital national security and effective government.

    We will ensure that judicial review is available to protect the rights of the individuals against an overbearing state, while ensuring that it is not abused to conduct politics by another means or to create needless delays. In our first year we will set up a Constitution, Democracy & Rights Commission that will examine these issues in depth, and come up with proposals to restore trust in our institutions and in how our democracy operates.

    We will make it easier for British expats to vote in Parliamentary elections, and get rid of the arbitrary 15-year limit on their voting rights.

    We will maintain the voting age at 18 – the age at which one gains full citizenship rights.

    We will ensure that no one is put off from engaging in politics or standing in an election by threats, harassment or abuse, whether in person or online.

    We will champion freedom of expression and tolerance, both in the UK and overseas. To support free speech, we will repeal section 40 of the Crime and Courts Act 2014, which seeks to coerce the press.

    We will not proceed with the second stage of the Leveson Inquiry.

    We will ensure redundancy payments can be clawed back when high-paid public servants move between jobs.

    We will improve the use of data, data science and evidence in the process of government. decision of the British people in the 2016 referendum – has opened up a destabilising and potentially extremely damaging rift between politicians and people.

    If the Brexit chaos continues, with a second referendum and a second Scottish referendum too, they will lose faith even further. It is only by getting Brexit done that we can start the necessary task of restoring public trust in government and politics:

    We will get rid of the Fixed Term Parliaments Act – it has led to paralysis at a time the country needed decisive action.

    We will ensure we have updated and equal Parliamentary boundaries, making sure that every vote counts the same – a cornerstone of democracy.

    We will continue to support the First Past the Post system of voting, as it allows voters to kick out politicians who don’t deliver, both locally and nationally.

    We will protect the integrity of our democracy, by introducing identification to vote at polling stations, stopping postal vote harvesting and measures to prevent any foreign interference in elections.

    All of the above is scary stuff. It will have far reaching consequences for this country and it’s people.

    It t is one thing for a government to win an election; it is quite another for it to start rewriting the very rules that govern our democracy. This, however, is precisely what the Conservatives promise to do.

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    #99971 Reply

    Mike 700
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    Rather than frightening, I find the whole of page 48 uplifting, and a refreshing change from the real frightener of a Corbyn led Marxist Leninist cabal with the keys to and unfettered access to downing sreet?

    Just taking one item of the shopping list publishedhere is clearly a great deal of merit in a change of boundaries!

    Looking at Scotland first of all – and just to be clear “I am not commenting on rights or wrongs of independence or the SNP demands for another referendum due to their opinion that they now have the mandate for independence “, –
    and you will see why it is clear they need to work fast, before any border changes are proposed!

    The SNP , under the FPtP system attracted some 45% of the vote and were rewarded with 48 MP’s, whilst the other parties in Scotland attracted 55% of.the vote, so more votes than the SNP,, yet these parties only returned 11 MP’s –

    1.24 million SNP votes equates to around 24500 votes per MP returned, compared to The Tories who had the support of 692,000 , or around 56% of the SNP votes yet returned only 6 MP’s , which equates to 115000 votes per MP, and the LibUndems ,needed 66000 votes for each MP, and then, Labour which attracted some 500,000 plus votes, yet only returned 1 MP- that is inequitable , and unsustainable of course in the modern era!

    In Wales the situation is –

    That Labour had to attract about 28700 votes per MP , Tories 39800 votes per MP, Plaid Cymru 82500 votes per MP, LibUndems 92000 votes yet no MP, and Brexit Party 84000 votes – no MP!

    As far as the UK overall is concerned , The Tories had to attract 38260 votes per MP, similar to Labour 44600 per MP, IibUndems 32,700 per MP, the Greens attracted some 857,000 votes yet only 1 MP, & the Brexit Party had more than 632,000 ( around 50% of the SNP vote) yet did not even get one MP!
    the Libs attracted over 3 times the votes of the SNP, for a return of only 11 MP’s ?

    This is not equitable either, and surely not sustainable?

    #99978 Reply

    Wigwam
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    #99979 Reply

    Menorca Mike
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    Will jo Swinson go into television now ?

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    #99982 Reply

    Brydo
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    I’m a celebrity next year mike.

    The only person who got all his work done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe

    #99989 Reply

    Menorca Mike
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    That’s what I thought Brydo

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    #99990 Reply

    Menorca Mike
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    Cases packed Brydo we go 6am Monday

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    #99991 Reply

    Menorca Mike
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    My solicitor has said I can send you photos

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    #99994 Reply

    fwippers
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    The election has ended the year with a positive note

    #99998 Reply

    greycar

    So 45.6% (14.6million) voted for pro Brexit parties, the Conservative and the Brexit Party, 54.4% did not vote for Brexit parties.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_breakdown_of_the_2019_United_Kingdom_general_election

    The EU voted to scrap the Tampon tax.

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/campaign-scrap-cruel-tampon-tax-13354623

    #100008 Reply

    JS
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    And where are you putting Labour in that equation? Winston

    #100022 Reply

    fwippers
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    I have a feeling the negotiations are going to be much more straightforward now. Both the EU & UK now know we will be leaving and it’s in everyone’s interest to resolve matters quickly. It will be interesting to see if the so called “remoaners”, will now accept and move on? The PM has indicated we should enjoy a “brexit free!” Christmas and as I shall refrain from posting for a few days during the festive period, commencing Christmas eve.

    #100027 Reply

    Menorca Mike
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    Yes a brexit free Christmas with wine good food chat and opening presents

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    #100028 Reply

    Menorca Mike
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    My partner I think has bought me Happiness 😀

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    #100033 Reply

    fwippers
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    Yes a brexit free Christmas with wine good food chat and opening presents

    but unfortunately not good TV!

    #100063 Reply

    gothitjulie
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    How long though until we can have an EU free Christmas?

     

    #100067 Reply

    fwippers
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    Hopefully 2020 and properly in 2021.

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