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I’ve finally had the chance to look through my long term list and all I’ve got to say is OUCH!!!!
Thankfully I’ve a year before it’s really a worry. The biggest increase from 3 months ago was the Explorer Premium 77kWh with DAP which jumped from £2,245 in July to a whopping £6,795 that’s £4,550 increase. The only bit of good news is the Ioniq 6 Ultimate which dropped £500 to £2,999.
The interesting addition is the Suzuki E-Vitara, which doesn’t match up with any Toyota, which is odd given the Vitara and RAV4 are very closely related. Is this a preview of the new electric Rav4?
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Good grief. The E-3008 has gone from £1749 in Q2, £3749 in Q3 and now £6599. That’s crazy, do they now want people to order one?
Probably no. It’s interesting that the e3008 costs more than the e5008.
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Did you notice the schemes Find a car filter re AP’s for standard vehicles They have put the bands at £250 intervals but now included bands up to £15,500. Perhaps in anticipation of Q4 AP increases…!!!!
I, and undoubtedly others, have been whinging at Motability that a 2k max filter was useless in a world where some cars start above that and go on to the maximum AP. It seems like enough of us have done enough to get the suggestion through development. That said, unless they’ve put the same filter selection on both cars and WAVs it’s definitely time to brace ourselves for a painful new quarter.
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Cool Kia are selling them and positioning it agains’t the 6😛
I did see the irony in them being beside each other. If it was my money and assuming I couldn’t afford the GTLineS EV6, I’d be going for the IM6. I’m not interested in the dual motor variants, they are insane and I don’t want a car that would cheerfully put me in a tree given half a chance, although I hear it feels more planted than some other high powered EVs. The IM6 has a menu system you need a month to understand (but don’t all cars these days?) a rear view that makes the Ioniq 6 feel almost panoramic. It is, however, the most comfortable car I’ve sat in, the 20 speaker sound system is supposed to be unreal and I love the fact you can have Apple CarPlay on one screen and still be managing the vehicle thanks to that extra screen. However, I’d need a co-pilot as there’s no way I’d be driving and trying to do anything on that screen.
I’m praying these are added to scheme. I can order in November – want to get my hands on one
I order next November, I am half expecting it to join and leave the scheme before I get to order it.
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I’m surprised there’s not a threat up yet. Wednesday sees the final new quarter for this year, what are we hoping for? New cars or improved pricing. I’ll start with the ever popular IM5 and 6
Improved pricing? Do you know something that we don’t? We can live in hope, but APs have been on an upward trajectory for 2 years now and I’m not anticipating a reversal, especially with EV residual values still being in free fall.
Theres the government incentives for some EVs. Not much but it may help. It was more inviting responses than actually hoping for a sudden AP crash. To be brutally honest, I can’t see all APs dropping as significantly as they had before ever again. Some manufacturers may decide to have a few months generating demand but with insurers putting their prices up and the overheads still going the wrong way the opportunity to cut even a few hundred off the AP of every single car offered just won’t happen.
it may be rather a bleak new quarter, cars removed, APs going north, maybe a few added.
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I finally got to see the IM6 today. It’s a lovely place to sit. Those chairs are the most comfortable I’ve sat in, until I put the massaging feature to the test. That was like getting a sports therapist trying to loosen your strained muscles, which when you’ve a spine issue was rather painful.
The seats were plush and comfortable, with little adjustment they were better than the Ioniq’s Relaxation seats. Mrs F managed to get in and out without issue. Boot isn’t small, back seat space is more than enough (I could sit behind me comfortably enough).
The dealership had the IM 6 sat beside an EV6, so I couldn’t resist.
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That’s the big draw from claiming, your NI stamp gets paid even if it’s all they give you.
I’ve been contracting for nearly 2 decades, although I’m more medically disabled than employable now, and have been in and out of claiming benefits for all those years. It’s a system that works solely as a ticked box exercise. It’s a very binary system, you either pass that question or you don’t, and that doesn’t flex for some very simple cases. If you effectively retire 6 weeks after becoming redundant, unfortunately the system states you must go through the UC or JSA route until you retire. The fact it may take longer to process is irrelevant to that binary set of controls.
I’ve had to sign on for 9 days because I left a role on Friday having secured a new role after a week’s rest. It took me more time to get and return the paperwork than to actually be out of work.
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I’ve never had a problem with regen in any conditions. In fact I’ve found it slows the car better on snow that physical brakes, although that may have more to do with the ability to slow the wheels with a touch more control.
In an ICE car, you lift off the accelerator and nothing happens instantaneously, the engine braking kicks in once the engine has slowed. In an EV, because it’s the electric motor, as soon as you start to release the accelerator there’s a reduction in motor speed. You take your foot off from a position that held speed and the motor immediately stops driving forward and starts slowing the car. In those milliseconds it takes, the level of adjustment between the two systems is massively different. If you slow the rate you lift your foot, you smooth out the rate of change and the speed the regen kicks in. With a little time you can control just how you transition between holding speed and slowing down in exactly the same way you can add just one mph to your speed if you’re careful with how much extra you press.
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Here’s my view. Demand needs to be created, it’ll never happen just because. Whether it’s for EVs, heat pumps or a new brand of mobile phone, if you can’t (or won’t) generate demand sales will always be low.
BEVs will always need some convincing for some people. They live in houses suited to home charging and most of the common obstacles don’t apply to them but give them a choice and they just pick what they know. The extremes of this subject are busy spreading their own propaganda, whether it’s oil companies making stuff up or tree huggers spreading statistics to negate the opposite narrative. In the middle somewhere there’s people who don’t mind the idea but haven’t found the right car or don’t want to spend the required amount for a decent EV, especially when depreciation is quite steep for some vehicles. Then there’s those who have an EV, like it and really don’t want to go back. Are either wrong? Not really.
The government were trying to generate demand, incentives for buying, tax incentives for corporate customers, then they changed track, RFL matching ICE, EV pricing putting a huge number of fairly average EVs into the luxury bracket for taxing. I doubt corporate tax incentives will last too long with a government running out of money.
If the government won’t create demand, it’s left to the manufacturers. Many legacy companies aren’t working too hard at marketing new cars whilst many economies are struggling and resistance is rather well organised. It costs them money to develop these new cars, money they’re not getting suitable returns on. Meanwhile there’s the new wave of manufacturing, mostly Chinese, building increasingly better cars, for less money and willing to do whatever is necessary to gain market share.
Who will create demand for EVs? I’m very happy with my choice but it’s not on me to convince people, the government are too busy to get involved, manufacturers are having mixed opinions. Legacy manufacturers will do their best to convince governments to delay legislation, new manufacturers will do their thing and grow market share. Without someone doing something, nothing will change, as demand fails to grow, those pushing against the change will declare victory, probably highlighting where legacy manufacturers are changing their resourcing whilst not looking at what others are doing to grow their products.
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Well, there is NOTHING blinkered about Facts and Figures.
Have you heard the expression “there’s lies, damn lies and statistics”? Facts and figures can always be quoted or ignored to suit an argument, it’s how both parties can claim the economy is both growing and shrinking and have the numbers to back it up.
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Hmmm, standard range IM5. Only 75ishkWh battery, I’m not sure how to cope with that🤪
I’d be surprised if nothing got on scheme but the added space in the 6 will be important for some. The upside is that all models have the same internal spec. It’s just battery and motors except for the Launch’s air suspension.
This would be a tricky decision for us, I love the toys and it’s really comfortable but I really detest the looks of the Tesla’s and this really copies that.
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It’s hard to know what new cars will join the scheme. There’s several new Chinese companies coming our way but it’s whether they recognise the Scheme as a viable sales vehicle and whether they’re willing to give them a suitable discount to make it affordable for us? With MG, they’ve got a history with us, they know how it works and can get units on the streets quickly. It’s whether a car intended for corporate sales would be pointed toward us?
Theres plenty coming in that price category of various sources but it’s whether the deal can be struck that gives us good value?
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@Rich44 I don’t disagree but that sort of power, in my opinion, should require an advanced level of driving skill, maybe through an additional test. When the Ioniq 5 N was released the Facebook groups were filled with pictures of various new cars wrapped around trees, lamp posts and other street furniture, as people with more money than ability took out their newly selected high powered EV, stuck it in silly mode slammed their foot on the go pedal and then understood the problem.
When it comes to the Scheme, I believe giving disabled people a high powered car would be considered a bad risk, not many people fit in the joint area in a Venn Diagram of capable drivers and disabled Motability Scheme customers. I’m not saying that nobody on the scheme could safely drive one, just that the cost to insure could well exclude it from the Scheme unless they could stick a huge AP on the performance model. Then you’re at risk of having an IM5 short range at £2500AP and the performance at £10,000 with, maybe the Long Range somewhere around the £5,000 area.
@kdwolf, I don’t understand. The car has been released for a month, I doubt that there’s a customer with one in the country. The shape will mean that the anticipated real world range for the 6 would be better than the average gap from the WLTP ideal return. It’s a huge battery, streamlined shape, I’ve no doubt that a decent driver could easily achieve a genuine 300+ miles in the summer out of one, maybe even a less gifted driver could get that range.I'm Autistic, if I say something you find offensive, please let me know, I can guarantee it was unintentional.
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That’s interesting @Rich44. Did they have a price at the showroom?
IM6 pricing:
100 Long Range £47,995
100 Performance £50,995
100 Launch Edition £52,995
Performance has dual motors and ludicrous power, Launch adds air suspension. Spec inside the cars are identical.
IM5:
75 Standard Range £39,450 (75kWh battery)
100 Long Range £44,995 (100 kWh Battery)
100 Performance £48,495
Price wise, there’s no reason that all these couldn’t be on the scheme but I can also see no need for a car with 800NM torque and 751PS (553kW) power all delivered from first touch.
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I had a look in both, my opinion on the 5 is in my long term thread.
They were clearly designed to take market share from Tesla, short of putting “I’m want to be a tesla” on the back I don’t think they could have been more obvious. Styled on the old shape Models 3 and Y the IM5 and 6 respectively are minor details away from pure copies outside. They also have some tech ideas from Tesla including the security and cameras. Where they differ are the internal styling and technology. You have that huge screen that divides into the drivers console and the entertainment screen in the middle of the car, then there’s that screen in the centre console that does just about everything else but still has a dedicated set of buttons at the bottom that fast tracks you to the menus you need most frequently. There’s also one switch to deactivate all the ADOS and you can set a direct button press from the wheel to take you there.
Those seats are incredibly comfortable, it’s not often I sit in a seat and, after some slight adjustment I’m in heaven but these were just perfect for me.
What I did query, and would love to hear other’s thoughts on, was the distance from outside the car to the side of the seats. There’s more space there than my Ioniq 5, which isn’t a slimline version, and I can see that having potential to be an issue for shorter people.
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Not sure how many of you folly the nitty gritty of the car industry, but it seems range extenders are making a comeback on both Hybrids and EV’s (EREV) (REV) (REX), Whils’t the technology is mainly seen in China, the european market is seeing a resurgence of extended range electric vehicles (EREVs). Mazda brought EREV to europe in 2023 (MX30), Ford is leading the charge to bring EREV back to europe, VW is looking at the feasability for it’s ID models and BMW for it’s ix5, the i3 has one. Hyundai, not sure, if for EV’s or Hybrids… I wonder if the Vauxhall Ampera will make a comeback!
Theres no chance for the Ampera, Vauxhall got it as they were part of the group, now they’re Stellantis, there’s no chance of a car that well built. Best Vauxhall I’ve driven by a country mile. 30 miles pure electric 200 miles extended. Hours wasted explaining the 1.4 generator wasn’t an engine.
If you want a car with low seats the Ampera would have been ideal, it was like climbing out of a supercar.
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Finally got a Quick Look at the IM6. Very similar to the IM5 but somewhat taller.
I had the opportunity to sit inside but the sales guy was somewhat grumpy. On the positive side, the ‘vegan leather’ was incredibly plush and those seats are very comfortable. I will need to spend more time in one, though, as the headrest was far too far forward. It felt like the headrest was pushing my chin into my chest.
One thing that’s very clear and could be interesting for some shorter people. There’s a lot of car between the outside and the edge of the seat. It’s a couple of inches further that the Ioniq 5 and with a slightly higher seat, I can see some people not reaching the floor. I did find it harder to stand as my feet were a little too far infront of me.
I’ll wait for my usual dealership to get the 6 and spend a touch more time with one. I’m really interested to see just what the 20 speaker surround sound system sounds like. With a tweeter in the roof just inches from my head, I’ve doubts.
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My mum’s friend had the previous generation on the scheme and will get the new version once adapted.
If wired CarPlay bothers you there are boxes you can buy that do the job for you. They’re a slight delay but are otherwise a wireless connection. I bought one for the ZS hoping the next car was wireless and dipped out with the Hi5, so it’s been running for 5 years now and is just beginning to lose connection from being frequently turned on/off thanks to very short trips. For less than £30 from Amazon, it’s not a perfect solution but it’s perfectly adequate. There are more expensive options that include video options but they’re £100+
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Is the cable heavy to pull ? Are they thicker than a garden hose pipe ?
The 7kW Type 2 5m cables are heavier than a hose but aren’t worse to tidy up than a standard garden hose, except you shouldn’t get wet.
Public cables are a different beast altogether. The higher the charge rate, the heavier the cooling needs to be, which leads to quite a bulky and heavy cable. Not impossible to pull around and some companies have a cable arm which bears a lot of the weight. As suggested, next time you’re in the same place as one, pick up the connector, see how easy it is to move around.
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I love the way they simply tell you to avoid falling over and bumping into things. Might as well say, stay in bed, do not get up for anything unless accompanied and wrapped in cotton wool.
At least you’re home, I hope the recovery goes better than planned and this is beginning to be behind you now.
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Ioniq 5 Type 2 5m cable (I havent even looked to see if there’s a granny in there but I doubt it)
Enyaq I believe is the same, just a type 2
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I’ve just ordered the Ioniq 6 in biophilic blue with grey interior and the camera side mirrors, although it’s already in the country I’ve got to wait until December the7th when my current lease ends 😅🤣going to be a long wait!
You’re going to have fun with the camera side mirrors. If I’ve ever been asked about my car it always starts off with those cameras. Oh, count how many times you look at the camera instead of the screen. After 20odd months of driving the Hi5, I can say that the only downside of them is when you’ve parked with the camera facing the rain. It just takes a single drop to completely block the whole mirror but it has to be a well placed drop. The picture is much better in the rain than what you’d get from looking through a wet window onto a wet mirror. You quickly get used to using the screens when reversing and changing lanes.
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It depends where you are. Some regions are still taking far too long on reviews.
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From what I’ve heard we can expect the return of the Ioniq 6 in the next half year. The Elroq will return when the order book is less full but I’d expect both cars to be more expensive than when they left.
For new EVs there’s the two IMs (5 & 6) but it’s unclear whether they’ll get to the scheme in a hurry or whether they see if the fleet sales pick up to their anticipated demand. If they do join it’s highly unlikely the performance version would as the insurance company would be very reluctant to allow a very high powered EV to be leased to drivers highly unlikely to have the performance training you’d hope a 700+BHP car would need. That said the long range of both cars aren’t slow and nearing 400 mile WLTP range it’s a very desirable option.
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MG won’t be happy, they go out of their way to say it’s not a replacement for the ZS. It’s similar inasmuch as it’s a small SUV (with a bigger HS sized EV due next year) but it’s definitely not a replacement ZS😉
Having had a look around, it’s more spacious and better equipped than the ZS I had but I’d expect a new car now to be better equipped than a 2018 car. What’s impressive is that they’ve managed to make the car more comfortable than the ZS was and that was a car I could be in for all its range. The upsides of this one, though, is that you can expect to go much further.
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