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Getting around wouldn’t be an issue, like the majority, I use my phone. However on long distances the temperature in the batteries has a great impact on charging speeds, which is part of the reason the Hyundais stand out.
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I’d say you’re heading at this the wrong way. If it were me I’d work my way down to a few candidates with dealerships in your area and call them to see what they’ve got in stock. Then go for whichever suits you out of the in stock options.
It’ll take some time sorting out who’s local and what cars are on scheme and you like from those dealers. Then some effort phoning or visiting them all and seeing what’s available.
Hopefully there’s something you like in stock local to you and you’re sorted by Christmas.
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MF the sat nav in my Kona is a joke. It’s not bad it’s absolutely useless. Always the longest and slowest way. I’ve tried android auto and just didn’t get along with it tbh. I mentioned it before on here thinking that it might be something to do with economy but nope, it’s just useless.
That fills me with confidence. 🤦🏻
I guess I’m going to have to test that on the test drive.
There seems to be ongoing software problems in many BEVs from apps not working properly to navigation failing it’s not great news. The Google and Tesla systems appear to be the best.
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Watching Richard Symons reviewing the “6” and he wasn’t holding back on the navigation. It got me thinking, we all know that plugging into the phone and using Android Auto or CarPlay will get you better maps/navigation but with preconditioning of the battery improving charging speeds, can these other apps work with the car to activate preconditioning?
Richard is a bit of a Tesla fan and they’ve very good software, so I’m not sure whether he’s pointing out software inefficiencies deliberately or whether they really are that bad.
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keso, thanks for your suggestion about Biophillic Blue Pearl as a colour choice. I’d convinced myself that my choice would be between Abyss Black and Nocturne Grey but since your suggestion I’ve been looking at pics and videos of Biophillic 6’s. I sat down with one of my son’s and had a long discussion about the three options. He pointed out to me that I was looking at colours just as ‘colours’, rather than looking at what effect the colour had on the appearance and the shape of the overall car. The Biophillic Blue actually looks two tone purple and then almost black when it’s out of the sunlight, which makes it look far more interesting and ‘sporty’ as befitting what I think is a vey eye-catching car. He also pointed out to me that my ‘functional’ choice of black leather interior looked less stylish than the light grey leather interior, so if I was going to be brave and go for ‘looks’ I should choose the light grey option. As I will be in the car on my own 90% of the time then maintenance won’t be a problem. What do you think guys?
I love colours that appear to change in different lights, the Biophillic blue pearl is a great choice for that very reason, the Ariya has Aurora Green which looks purple in certain lights, black in others and green in others. The 5 has Digital Teal Green which has been said to appear grey, black or green. These ideas are much better than something that just looks good when cleaned and yuck after 2 miles in less than ideal conditions. The red will look awesome when polished to within and inch of it’s life but that’s a lot of work on a 5 metre long curvy car.
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Yup. Mark its a steep learning curve. Trying 2 charging points an failed miserably. The first one, you needed a card. Moved on to an instavolt…great it accepts swipe…done that then pulled out the charging pistol, it couldnt reach the port. I installed the app for the first charger, and it charged fine. 30 mins and charged it to 88%. Right next to a Starbucks…lol. It just keeps you on your toes, new technology…lol.
Even the process for contactless payments are different, some you plug in first, some swipe first. Adoption would be much easier if you didn’t have to have 25 apps and understand 13 different payment processes just to charge your car. Even worse, there’s discount cards, from manufacturers and from 3rd parties, but none for absolutely all providers, so do you stop on your route and pay by contactless or go 5 miles out of your way to save 5p per kWh?
It’s all frustrating but it’s a massive improvement on motorway services having 2 stations that may/may not work and nothing else around for miles.
All that said, I love the ease of driving electric, I know the next car will be electric and I will do my level best to ensure every car after that will also be electric. New ranges mean I don’t have to worry so desperately about where I charge, looking at what I can realistically get from the Ioniq 5 or 6 or the Enyaq, they’ll all be able to drive much further than I can in one go. From where I am in Cornwall, I’m desperate to get out by the time I get to Exeter, again 2 hours later and, if the journey is long enough, 2 hours after that, the car could pretty much get to London in one hit or near enough.
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The reading in car is from the “Guess-O-Meter” (GOM) the Bluelink in notoriously off, even when compared to the GOM. I actually had the GOM tell me I could get 225 miles out of my 163mile ZS. I looked at the miles per kWh and did the sums and the 225 turned into 175, still pretty good when the WLTP lies tell you 163.
Is this the first EV you’ve had? If so, there’s a whole learning curve about how to get the most out of a charge and that differs from car to car. I found that those with the auto parking brake need that switching off, the effort to pull out, especially in a hurry is so inefficient it’s mental. That alone gave me 20 miles per charge. That’s mostly because the MG’s electronics are so quick it’s as if they communicate with China before disengaging the brake, so pulling out to fit in a gap becomes incredibly stressful and you end up standing on the accelerator until you start moving, then you’re trying to lighten up whilst not losing the acceleration. Then there’s things like regen setting, which differs for each driving situation, and when you can and can’t use eco and gain from it.
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2.7 in winter with the heating on is pretty decent this time of year. That’s a maximum range of 210 miles in a cold patch in winter, which is more than enough.
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I think the best way of Motability promoting EV’s is to reduce the AP’s
100% correct. EVs should be available to everyone. However, it is up to the consumer to decide whether an EV is right for them. Motability should ‘encourage’ the take-up of EVs, for environmental reasons if nothing else. ✅ If drivers are being ‘encouraged’ to go EV, then this incompetent Govt needs to get its act together (joke) and ‘encourage’ suppliers to deploy much more charging infrastructure as soon as possible. In addition, the Govt also needs to ‘encourage’ energy companies to produce more UK based electricity.😡 Unfortunately this will take many years, if not decades…🤦🏻♂️
I’d go a step further. If Motability want to encourage the take up of EVs they should be looking at how to provide more specialist charging solutions for those who don’t have the simple off street parking. Those who have a dedicated space but a path or pavement between their home and car. To those who have a pavement before public parking on the road. There are solutions available, they aren’t standard ones but if Motability could get a fund together where people who have difficulty paying for such installs could be given the necessary funds and a project manager to help ensure the coordination of all the different bodies involved and information they all require. Obviously this all costs money but it’s not like Motability are short of a penny or two.
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biophillic blue pearl
My dealer had biophillic blue pearl in their showroom. Its a lovely colour but, not sure I would personally choose it on the 6. Its still joint 1st on my shortlist but, for me I would opt for a darker colour, not to stand out in the crowd, any more than I need to! Obviously your perception may differ from mine 🙂
Are we talking about the same colour? The blue pearl is nearly black descriptions from owners in groups have included a purple hint in sunlight.
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Nice @POPS i popped into my local Hyundai dealership yesterday to book test drives for the 5 and 6 and all my Skoda dealership can provide is an 80.
The Hyundai dealership had 2 6s one silver and one red. I really like the red and the biophillic blue pearl looks interesting in all the pictures I can find but I think it needs to be seen in the flesh to truly appreciate.
I’m test driving Thursday and Saturday next week, so will report back.
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I believe that there are 1.8m people in receipt of higher rate mobility PIP. So with 700,000 customers that still leaves 1.1m who prefer to use their allowance for other things, or fund a car privately. As the average age of cars on our roads is now 9 years, a lot of people don’t consider a brand new car to be high on their list of priorities.
For those in inner cities, the public transport system is perfectly adequate, as long as you can access a bus/train. Then there are those who can not afford to lose the PIP money as they currently survive without a car and will continue to do so whilst enjoying the bit of heat that extra money can afford them.
I guess there’s a few who will have a job with a car and there will be a good few who are eligible for the higher payment but live in care facilities and have no need of their own vehicle.
If anyone can put a number on those categories, that’ll reduce the 1.8m but will likely remain above the 700,000.
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IMO they should not be pushing by telling you to consider one power source over another. At most they should only provide a leaflet outlining the potential benifits and weaknesses of choosing a BEV over another power source. For exampe its pointless telling somebody who lives in a terrace property, you should consider a BEV and who lives no where near BP Pulse network!
We agree, the pushing of EVs is an environmental thing, which isn’t in Motability’s remit.
However, maybe targeting customers who are capable of taking the biggest advantage of driving an EV and sending them information on how they could benefit from switching at their next change may be acceptable. There are too many people for whom the infrastructure is inadequate, not so much with the rapid network for longer distance driving but definitely for those who need to charge near home. Too many councils are either deliberately dragging their heels or waiting upon someone else to find suitable provision for pavement side charging and for parking for blocks of flats. Once councils are either more willing to allow their people access to charging from home or provide their own solutions then ownership for those without off street parking.
In fairness, the rapid network has improved significantly, where motorway users will be able to drive long distances with confidence that they’ll find a charger when they need it. Major A roads are improving and the others will attract chargers when predictable demand dictates. It’s destination charging that’s inadequate right now, every single street lamp should have a plug in place, every flat’s parking space should have a pop up charger (for pavements) or wall based charger with a security code and connection to the home supply and every parking bay that isn’t time limited (especially those with residential parking) should have some kind of street side charging.
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EVs have their benefits, especially if you’re constantly doing short trips. However, they’re not for everyone and Motability really should be catering for all potential customers.
Personally their push for EVs suits me.
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I think (although guess might be more appropriate) that the reasoning would be that they try to get the best possible price for all customers at all times rather than leave a £500 extra on the AP so it can be cut for an offer for a month of the year.
Some dealerships use their end of month/quarter bonus to prop up the discounted prices they offer on limited number of cars. Still no movement on the deal with Motability.
I would also add that the effort in finding/creating significant deals for 1 week would be an expensive process for Motability, especially when you take into account that there would need to be website changes for these offers (and we’ve all seen how well they can go) plus communication with dealerships.
If a manufacturer can cut £500 off their price so that Motability can pass that to us, I’m pretty sure they’d insist on it being a permanent change. That said, I’m sure that one manufacturer could give a (say) Christmas present for all Motability customers ordering between the 20th and 30th December where they pay the first £250 or whatever of your AP. I just don’t think that they can expect a return in numbers of units sold over their usual £1,000 towards your deposit type offers for lease/pcp purchases, keeping in mind that they get a payment for finance contracts each month.
It would be nice to see the occasional promotion, even if that was part funded from profits, but I’d expect there would need to be a reason. So £250 off all electric cars over the period of an environment week or some similar idea but that wouldn’t work for a select manufacturer as the others might get the hump.
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You have all of next year for the £750. The promotion was extended for new customers to the end of 2024. It is still available for returning customers on their next vehicle regardless of when that happens.
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I’ve had 3 EVs, 2 with heat pumps and 1 without. Having a heat pump is better for economy when it’s cold 🤔🤏 The only difference I notice is that this car without the heat pump seems to have a bigger variation in economy from summer to winter than the ones with. It makes no difference to the heat the car can generate inside the cabin for the passengers, heated seats and steering wheel make a difference. Like a lot of things on cars today, nice to have but I wouldn’t pay extra for it.
Yes, they make a difference, a slight one here but we don’t sit with the heater on full whack for hours on end as it’s -24 outside. It’s easy to say they make a difference, I’d hate to have to provide reliable numbers to prove that buying one for £1,000 or thereabouts isn’t good value for a leased car. If we felt the benefit of a higher selling price, then there’s an argument that the overall price for 3 years would be less because of resale value being higher but the reality of our situation is that we’re paying a whole price for no benefit other than reduced costs.
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@kezo I don’t know the technical details of it all but can honestly say my range has not improved with mine
but it’s still cheaper then my 2.0 diesel Tiguan and honestly if possible wouldn’t go back to an ice car over a electric sure I read heat pumps only really make a 10% difference so not a huge miss not having oneI would say an heat pump main benifit, is to draw air in from outside, compresses it, then uses the heat from the condenser to raise the temperature to warm cabin or the battery and in some circumstances cool the battery. The saide effect of this, it uses less battery capacity than an electric heater, thus a bit more range. I would prefer to have one than not but, would have to think hard paying for one as a option. Would you ever recoup the cost? @MFillingham
That’s not fair, there’s so many variables. The Kia/Hyundai heat pump is the most efficient on the market. The range loss with/without heating is 10% next to Tesla model s 18% and model 3 at only 40%.
Assuming a winter range of 200 miles and 10% losses on that that’s 20 miles per full ‘tank’.
There’s a lot of assumptions to be made, amount driven, where you charge but I’ll have a stab and state my assumptions on route.
Given 20 miles loss per tank and a weekly use of one tank (makes my life easier) all charged at home at 7p per kWh and a driving efficiency in winter of 3 miles per kWh (I told you, assumptions) that’s 7 kWh lost per week or 49p. That’s just for winter weeks though, if it’s mild, let alone warm you’ll not be using the heat pump to heat the car.
Now, the bit that’s very tricky is the comparative figures. If the M3 has efficiency losses of 40% for heating a car WITH a pump, what are the losses for other cars? From experience I lose around 20% due to running the heater and a further 15% ish for losses due to cold. I’m going to assume those figures even if they’re miles off.
So, that’s the 49p from above for the 10% or 98p for 20% (see what I did there) saving a rather puny £0.49 per week. Assuming 20 cold weeks a year that’s £9.80 a year or £28.40 for a standard Motability 3 year lease. The heat pump costs £995. It doesn’t take a mathematician to works out the £29 savings are much, much lower than the £995 cost of the heat pump and associated circuitry.
In summary (also know as jump to here) the savings for most cars will be around £0.50 per complete charge. If you’re charging at public chargers and are managing 30,000 miles a year, you might just pay for the heat pump in 3 years. Otherwise, don’t bother.
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Electric seats in the Enyaq may be a problem The only way to get passenger seat electrified (in the best way) is to add the Advance Pack at £2000 and some change, it also adds the Canton sound system, which is supposed to be pretty decent and heated rear seats for the kids/back seat passengers. However, as may be sen from recent discussions, there’s also that Crystal Face which adds to the looks for some but is at a rather high risk of damage and it’s debatable as to whether you can get it repaired on the insurance.
Meanwhile the Streamliner I6 doesn’t have the capacity in the boot the Enyaq has, it does, however, have 2 electric luxury front seats and extremely good economy.
Can I ask why the 6 and not the 5? The 5 is the same size as the Enyaq and the Ultimate with Tech pack has all the seating luxury you need plus a boot that has total storage that’s 58l less but has a 57l front storage under the bonnet which is great for cables or bits you need to access when the boot is fully loaded.
Those 3 are exactly what I’m considering right now, the Enyaq with Advance pack and all the risks, the Ioniq 5 with Tech pack and all the luxury or the rather long but stand out in a crowd 6 which comes with everything the 5 has plus heat pack but a rather long but low boot.
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A couple of questions, I’ve seen a few people that could be great candidates but there’s a couple of things that I’d like to clarify, if you can help:
Do you have dedicated parking? and Do you think that would be necessary to get the gully fitted?
If there’s a garden between the house wall and the pavement, would you need a huge cable just to get to the car, I’m guessing installing the charger on the inside of a garden wall, whilst not impossible might be something of a challenge and definitely not a standard install.
As I’ve said, I’ve seen a few people between here and Motability FaceBook groups that look like on the outset at least, there might be a good reason to apply this before giving up on an EV.
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Short answer is to phone Motability and explain the full situation. Moving to get extra help with care, car can’t be charged at home or on BP Pulse network, need to swap to something more realistic for new situation. they’ll probably be reasonable.
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ee-en-why-one – about as dull as its name!
It’s a Honda. Looking at reviews it might be small but the interior is perfectly formed, if you want a huge tv in your dash. Upholstery looks great though, better than some more expensive cars.
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ill just leave this here in case anyones interested…. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zVT0dx2yvo
He’s quite enthusiastic. Charging speeds are respectable.
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Similar, not quite the same. Mine is the effects of having a cyst eating away at whatever it could. Thus there’s narrowing of the gap between the vertebrae at L3/4 and damage to the end plates. The long term expectations are that the remaining disc will finally be removed and then the bone will fuse together. What long term impact that has remains to be seen but none of it sounds particularly pleasant. The closest effect I get is sciatica type pain shooting down my left leg (typically that’s the good one) but, so far, blood supply is fine. What makes me feel much better is that I know of 2 people with the exact condition I have, both were left unable to walk as the infection hit the spinal chord itself. At that point, I’m feeling rather delighted to be walking at all.
I hope they can find something that eases the condition for you.
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@Gee, I’m not sure either of us will look upon 2023 fondly.
@DumfriesDik I’m about as mended as I’m going to get, until my spine has cleared whatever disc is between the affected vertebrae and they fuse together. Until then it’s just back ache🤦🏻
@Burgerman333 I agree, you either grow through the trials put infront of us or fold up and whimper in the corner.I’ve learned a fair bit about myself and the priorities I’d set and, unsurprisingly, they’ve nearly all changed this year.
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