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My neighbour has just transferred to MG at my local dealership. She drove the S6 home with all the advertising you’d expect on a demonstrator. Apparently they’re offering over £9 grand off the starting retail price before anyone tries any haggling. I can’t see the current AP lasting beyond July.
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This suits Chery, their EVs would become eligible for the maximum grant.
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@kezo Unrelated question as these EVs obviously weren’t being charged, but is it safe to have an EV charger installed inside a garage and charge the car there? I charge my PHEV inside the garage but wondered if when I eventually succumb to an EV I will be able to do the same? Reason I ask is that I hoist Mrs GG between the car and wheelchair inside the garage as it’s large, under cover and has a doorway directly into the house. Our driveway is gravel and not wheelchair friendly. Also, I always park my cars inside the garage when not in use for security, so wouldn’t want to be charging on the driveway overnight. Is it safe and will EV charger installers fit them inside garages?
I have seen chargers in garages but most are close to the door so that the car is outside.
In theory, with a little ventilation, there should be no problem. The issues become much more serious in the unlikely scenario where something goes wrong.
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Holding to account should be a standard for the House. Forget vague claims that can’t be proven one way or another, when claims are made about a statistic the source and statistic should also be provided for Hansard to record.
Imagine the change in statements if they had to provide the source for everyone to pull apart.
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Unfortunately there are dealerships who will tell you absolutely anything to get the sale. 2 weeks for a yet to be built order? Highly unlikely.
When I got my Ioniq 5 it was being replaced by a car at the docks and that was a 4 week wait.
Sometimes we’re in too much of a hurry to think beyond what we get told, then it’s a slight delay followed by another until it arrives exactly when it was supposed to. It’s highly unethical to promise what they know can’t happen but it does seem to be a regular occurrence for some dealerships.
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If you’re headed to the garden centre, I’d suggest plugging it in while you’re there. Not to charge it, just get it going then disconnect. It’s much better to give charging a try when there’s no pressure rather than with that feeling that it’s now or never hanging over your head.
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I’m genuinely curious—why the need to brag about getting a mobility car? There is nothing to boast about here. If you truly need the vehicle for your mobility and independence, then it’s a lifeline, not a status symbol or a trophy to show off. Most of us just want to get on with our lives and manage our own affairs with a bit of dignity. Bragging about it only makes it look like you’ve lost sight of what the support is actually for, and frankly, it’s a bit embarrassing.
Really!?
There’s a few of us who helped in the decision making process who have asked for pics when he got the car. I’m more than happy that he’s got a car he’s happy with and feel like he can share his joy. Our lives are hard enough, why deny those little moments?
If you’ve nothing nice to say, maybe try just moving on next time.
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Love that colour. It’s the family favourite should we go with the EV5.
Have you taken it in a longer drive yet?
I was wondering when this post was going to appear, I’m happy for you.
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Europe should be getting worried, with the influx of respectable priced 7 seaters! Mrs kezo and I went a walk around a local lake and noticed the Honda dealership was also a Chery dealer, so popped across after our walk to have a look. The Tiggo 9 is something else and really got my attention, but at £43k, whilst likely worth every penny, misses the mark by encroaching over the £40 bracket.
Europe should have been worried a decade ago at least. When the legacy manufacturers decided the Chinese market was irresistible and agreed to work with local companies, they should have seen what educating them on how to build quality would mean. When MG came back from China and established itself as a popular brand, they should have seen what would follow.
When a huge number of new names started showing some very well equipped cars from companies nobody had heard of, that’s when the European and American manufacturers should have paid attention.
Just think if that Chery was electric the £40k luxury car value would have been £50k😉😂
There’s going to be a lot of dealerships that were traditionally single brand that’ll now have that brand plus a Chinese one.
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Mitch has the advantage of driving very few miles, it means all fuel costs are relatively small. He also put in a deal of calculation based on all outcomes and was happy to go with the EV4. Last I was aware he was working with kezo for a home charging solution that’ll suit his needs, I believe that’ll help with any cost challenges he finds.
It’s very difficult to simply state that charging away from home doesn’t work. Admittedly, things were much easier back when supermarkets and some car parks were offering free charging (I once managed Cornwall to Southampton for a long weekend and home again for no electric costs). If there’s solutions including charging at work or somewhere regularly visited at a discount, it’s not unaffordable.
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Unfortunately it’s not just one company, most will blame several customers if they can get away with it.
I always make a point of being extra pedantic when picking up a car, especially in front of their staff. I make a loud and clear point if every blemish, even if it’s below their usual reportable level. Since I’ve started doing that, nobody has tried anything.
It looks like you’ve plenty of help, that suggested letter will show them they’re not going to just walk over you. I’m also glad they’re sorting ICCUs quicker now.
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Funnily enough I was just thinking it can’t be far off your collection date.
I would contact the dealership to ask them just how much charge they’re putting in the car. As with petrol, it’s rare they’ll simply fully charge it for free but it’s not unheard of and costs them a vast amount less than if it was petrol or, worse, diesel.
Check all the cables are there. You should get a Type 2 to Type 2 cable for your destination charger and you might get a KIA one for 3 pin plug to charge the car. Make a note of what you get, as that’s what you’ve got to return. Don’t leave it for the dealer to remember what was in there in 3 years time, they might think that something was provided that wasn’t and that’ll be a whole new headache.
If it’s not fully charged, go to your preferred charging place and give it a go. Whilst it’s really not that hard, it can be somewhat overwhelming the first time. If it’s a rapid, it should be as simple as take the cable, plug it into the car, either connect through the app or tap the bank card and off it goes.
After that, nothing’s too difficult. There will be a period of time while you can get used to the car and the changes that having an EV provides. I’d suggest starting off with slight regenerative braking and turning it up over time. Get used to how it feels and works and how it changes how you slow the car down. To adjust that you’ve got the flappy paddles, the left one increases regen and the left decreases. They’ll take a minute to get used to, as does most new cars.
If it also works on KIAs, holding certain buttons on the steering wheel controls will shut off some of the irritant ADAS for you. If you’re on FaceBook, find one of the KIA or EV4 groups for the UK and they’ll help with which buttons does what. They’re usually full of friendly people willing to give a newbie some advice.
Most importantly, enjoy the new wheels, take it somewhere pretty and take a few pictures, you know we’re going to want to see the new car…
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Wait if vat is applied already or factored in then people with adaptations shouldn’t be paying it as normally youd be exempt from vat. Thats a concern someone should ask motability on.
Yes for all WAV customers and for everyone who has qualifying adaptations as wheelchair users, they should be exempt from VAT even through the Scheme’s newest terms.
As for next quarter, my thoughts seem to contradict many here, they put up the APs across pretty much the whole board, which means with the ‘cost savings from all the changes or the abolition of the VAT increase as a result of legal action, the resultant impact on APs will be downward even if it’s only so that Motability can claim the measures they’ve taken have been successful.
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We went to the motability shows attge NEC, after looking at the cars available, Chinese, European etc I think I’m jyst going to get another Enyaq Sportline, unless something changes in Q4 this year my ordering quarter
I’ve not got a problem with Chinese cars, especially when they’re building some really nice ones. That said, I’m not convinced that my current preferences will arrive on the Scheme on time, if ever. I’m giving some serious thought to seeing if there’s a finance option for the Xpeng G6 but the current nearest dealership is 120 miles away, which makes visits and servicing a bit of a mission.
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Not a car related thread.
Having watched the fallout and resulting actions from the leadership chaos, it appears that the MP I was hoping could cause a little trouble for the changes fully backs both the changes and the Cabinet that thinks they’re necessary. He’s actually been active in leading the support for the PM.
So, while it’s always worth pointing out the unfairness of government policy, in this particular case, I’m not expecting to see any positive results.
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This points out a few key things, that the legal proceeding we’re in place before Motability’s apparent climb down due to public concerns and that reporting around all these Motability changes has been inaccurate.
What I feel is missing is that all reporting around both Motability and PIP has been somewhere between misleading and discriminatory. At best it’s been spreading a story about free luxury/premium cars and fraudulent claims and use of vehicles. At worst, there’s suggestion that the Motability scheme has been widely abused by family of young disabled people or directly by the eligible people themselves, leading to a system that monitors the majority purely because too many are abusing the vehicles the system provides.
What this report has missed is the collusion between government and senior Motability figures in implementing changes to the scheme.
I fully appreciate the work that has gone into this legal case and, should it prevail the benefits to us all. However, the reality is that even if the current changes are fully reversed, there’s a review into PIP underway which may inflict further frustrations to our lives and, should that prove limited in scope, the most likely successors to this government have all stated that there’s too many claiming PIP, that the welfare bill is too big and, depending upon who wins, that Motability needs to change dramatically.
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This is Guardian BS about how it’s impossible to insure all those Chinese EVs we see on the roads.
The simple truth is that some manufacturers have issues ensuring the right parts are available in a reasonable time scale which will put some companies off insuring them but there’s plenty of examples of other companies being competitive with their insurance quotes.
As for any impact on Motability, they have a blanket insurance cover on all their cars. Whilst some manufacturers may get problematic with delays in repairs, it’s a Motability problem rather than an insurance one.
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Am I missing something? Most people are celebrating this as if the whole Drive Smart thing has been scrapped. From reading the news release it sounds as though it’s only been paused and Motability still intend to press ahead with it once the app glitches are resolved?
I think a lot of it is that it’s been paused pending some serious rethinking. I know I’ve a major issue with an app that doesn’t work particularly well, if I get red scores for driving badly, that’s on me but with a system that doesn’t perform particularly well and some ‘standards’ that aren’t realistic for disabled people will result in insurance being declined eventually, I won’t risk that. If Motability are serious about making sure the next implementation is suitable for disabled people, then it should be less unpopular.
It’s also worth noting that the legal challenge is continuing, this will challenge the VAT/IPT and the mileage and other restrictions imposed from July 1st.
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I wonder whether Motability’s legal team advised that Drive Smart was a bigger liability and even temporarily suspending its use could positively impact these court proceedings.
I would guess that there’s a bigger defence for reducing the mileage allowance whilst giving some users specific dispensation to exceed that without penalty. I’d be interested to understand whether that is enough to legally justify the changes or would a requirement to put an at cost alternative in place for those that need more miles prevent the courts stopping the changes altogether?
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There’s 2 different but consecutive issues with the Scheme. They came from different causes.
Drive Smart is an insurance based system, Motability have listened and paused that system.
The mileage reduction and related changes came from the imposition of taxes upon the Scheme. This hasn’t changed, which means these changes will still take effect. The only hope is that the Chancellor reverses these taxation choices and then instructs Motability to reverse its decisions. However, even if this government does this, whoever gets voted in next time will most likely make significant changes to both PIP and Motability.
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Yes, 1,000 miles 6 tyres from 8 and a couple of other little changes are all the result if last year’s budget adding VAT to our APs.
If you’ve missed that, there’s also a requirement for all new customers and those including a driver under 30 to have Drive Smart tracking. A 24/7 tracking system to reduce insurance premiums and reduce abuse of the Scheme.
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Thanks @MFillingham, that’s useful as we’ve not even seen the Air trim so far.
Electric memory seats are important to us, so it’s a shame Kia don’t offer this as an option on the Air. If we stay on the scheme, the Enyaq SEL Plus Suite is our current favourite of a not very wide choice.
Why memory seats?
As a side note, I had to adjust the seat position before getting in, lifting the bar and moving the seat was easy, even while feeling rather stiff. I think the floor height helps. I sat in the seat and adjusted the angle of the seat back quite easily, although I can see others having an issue if their core strength is impaired. I have no doubt that even between my vertically challenged wife and I, changing seat position isn’t too awful.
The Enyaq is a great car, I’m sure plenty will feel it’s got everything they need, the extra height and space of the EV5 suits me so much better.
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Some rare positivity. At least it feels rather rare with all that’s going on.
I managed to find an EV5 Air that was a little far to casually drive to and today I actually found the required excuse to travel the 150ish mile round trip. Other than the upside of taking my daughter for a sight seeing trip over Dartmoor I actually got to have a play with the car.
Firstly, credit must be given to Murray KIA of Plymouth, an unannounced visit to look at a car if we buy on the Scheme won’t be with them and they were perfectly happy to point me in the right direction with the keys.
The car, firstly, the remote has all the buttons you get with the GTLine, including the boot opening. I know it’s just a boot release but it’s still a habit to press and hold, waiting for the tailgate to lift. Manually opening the tailgate really is nothing, it’s assisted upwards so was really light but even pulling down was effortless. Then there was the seats, manually adjusted cloth seats were perfectly comfortable, a little adjustment to get comfortable and it was nice to sit in. We’d been in the car sat for 3.5 hours tootling through the prettiness and my back was still pretty stiff, so being able to get really comfortable in that situation was rather impressive.
The one downside was the door handles, while they’re the same as mine, they’re completely manual. To open with one hand you press with the thumb whilst grabbing the handle with the little/ring fingers, I suspect that it’ll be a pain when picking someone up on a busy street. It’s a small thing, a really small thing but I’ve also got to think about what I use the car for, which includes taking my 84 year old mum out and her hands barely work.
Aesthetically, on the ‘better’ models there’s aluminium or silver plastic trim pieces around the centre console on the doors and just below the screen on the dash. In the Air, these bland touches are copper coloured. This makes them much more of a feature and, for me, more pleasing.
After sitting in all models and taking into account the APs for both available, I prefer the Air over the GT Line. Whilst the better model comes with electric and very comfortable seats, plus a powered tailgate and bigger wheels, I’m not convinced the real world benefits are £3,000 worth. If, by some miracle, the EV5 was £1,999 for the Air and £3,499 for the GT Line, my mind might be changed but with a 3 grand difference, that money is better in my bank and I’ll be very happy in that much space.
As far as my whole search is concerned, APs will dictate a lot but at today’s prices the EV5 comes above the smaller but much better equipped Geely. The Leaf is still a theory until it both joins the scheme and has models in dealerships. All I can do now is sit and wait to see just what happens in July and then in October.
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Other than the odd post repeating the same old rubbish, there’s been less hate recently. There’s some who have been vocal opponents but it’s been quite respectful of our differences.
As for negatives, they’re not all fantastic. The Vauxhalls specifically but most Stellantis cars have significant differences between WLTP and real life ranges. Having driven one, I can now agree that the regen braking can be incredibly harsh in a BMW, even when I’ve some experience of driving with it, I found the difference between Hyundai’s regen and BMW’s both on one pedal driving mode very noticeable.
It is easy right now to drive past petrol stations with a grin.
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I’m sorry to read this, it’s definitely worth chasing up and seeking help from as many sources as possible.
The only way I’ve heard be successful is to search for that make of car on all the big car sites, like autotrader, and wait for the exact car to appear. It could be anywhere though.
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