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  • in reply to: Hyundai Tucson Test Drive Questions #285133
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      Like you, I shall be driving the PHEV in ‘Auto’ mode as, having tried all 3 modes extensively, it’s by far the best economy wise (Question – does it default to that mode every time you start the PHEV? I couldn’t check, as it was forced into hybrid mode once the battery had depleted).

      Yes Auto is the default mode on startup – the car then chooses the best mode favouring ev where it can, as you gathered from your test.

      Cypress green does not look too disimilar to the Amazon grey we had on our previos ICE model. It was a predominantly darker grey than our Ecotronic grey, which had a tinge of dark green if the sun was bright and hit the car at a certain angle. We really liked the colour.

      The plastic trim on the Ultimate is now flush(er) to the bodywork compared to our previos one and looks alot better for it. A darker paint as you suggested also disguises it.

      I really liked the CX60 interior, I thought it looked business class but, there was no space in the rear considering ts size, mres kezo didn’t like the seat base. The running gear let it down as, it wasn’t as seamless as the Tucson going from one powertrain to the other and the rear end bounced over speed bumps and expansion joints which was unerving. It also felt slower than the Tucson which consdering claimed 5.8s 0-60 also felt way slower than the similar performance of the Rav4/Across.

      Let me know expected delivery date after ordering, which shouldn’t be long 🙂

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      in reply to: Hyundai Tucson Test Drive Questions #285125
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        @kezo Just got back from my nighttime drive. I wanted to test the matrix headlights for three reasons. Firstly, I thought that the headlights on the pre facelift Tucson I had yesterday were poor. Secondly because they are absolutely brilliant on my BMW and I would miss them and finally because the last VW that we had with them frustrated me because the VW ones were too slow to react. Well I’m pleased to say that I was very impressed with them. Whilst they weren’t quite as bright as the ones on my BMW they were still great and reacted just as quick. Having gone through every option and setting on the infotainment (blimey there’s a lot) and configured everything, I was impressed at how much you can programme. The system is far more user friendly than the latest BMW iDrive. I could find everything very easily, whereas the latest BMw systems are far too complicated. I’m still not overly keen on the Sat nav but I discovered that the round dial on the right zooms the map in and out, which I like to do (and couldn’t fathom earlier). I like the fact that it gives you speed camera alerts (the PDI hadn’t enabled that, but I did 😈). As you said, the Krell system isn’t as good as I’d hoped, but is better than the standard system in my X1. The Tucson is definitely a quieter ride than my X1 in terms of road noise, although there’s a bit more wind noise around the door mirrors than the BMW. The engine in the Tucson is noisier and doesn’t sound good when revved, but with the PHEV I’d try to drive mostly in EV. I can’t see the point of the normal hybrid model. The 20 mile round trip that I’ve just been on (motorway and A / B roads) achieved 42mpg. Thats no better than my 2.0i petrol BMW would have done at the same speeds. The PHEV is the way to go I think, having attempted some maths. I reckon that the miles travelled on electric will cost around half (in terms of pence per mile) than my BMW. That will constitute most of our mileage. On longer journeys I suspect that it won’t be much cheaper than the BMW but we don’t do as many of those now so, overall, I think there will be a decent saving. Having chatted it through with my wife, on the basis that we have to have a new car to have a hoist fitted, we don’t think we will get anything more suitable, so we are going to order tomorrow. It will be a Cypress Green Ultimate PHEV with Moss Grey leather interior. There are a few of them at the port available for delivery within weeks, whereas the Cypress Green interior version isn’t and would be a 4 month lead time. I think it will be a nice contrast with the dark exterior and, as you say, it looks classy. The only niggle is the seat comfort, which I’m still struggling with a bit. I’ll just have to hope that with a lot of fiddling with the (thankfully electric) adjustments I can find a position that is OK.

        I’m sure both of you will be pleased, whilst at the same time its no BMW its one of the better cars in the class (as I think you discovered). Its also extremely practible with a roomy cabin and boot and you won’t be wanting any expensive options and a decent AP to go with it.

        My initial thoughts when having a PHEV was, if I could safe 50% on the majority of my journey’s I’d be prepared to take a hit on a long journey. However, I’m very pleased that its proving more economical on a journey than my previous ICE Tucson. If I can get 55-60 as the other two commentors I’ll be even happier. That said I’m happy to help/share my calcs on economy.

        I don’t think the hybrid gets acoustic glass like the top trim PHEV’s!

        Ultimate also gets you memory seats with easy access which I think you liked and I’m missing if I’m honest. I’m also starting to be unsure about a dark headlining but, hey ho not to worry lol.

        I’m glad you got your wish of moss grey seats and it’ll be interesting to see Cypress grean when you get it.

        As said there’s a few people on the net who have mentioned seat comfort issues but, have found fine adjustments generally make them happy or rather comfy.

         

         

         

         

        in reply to: Hyundai kona 65kWh ultimate #285123
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          Looks nice!  My mum is having one from stock but can’t pick it up till next month.

          in reply to: Hyundai Tucson Test Drive Questions #285113
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            @kezo You were lucky to get a granny charger. According to our local dealer, @Ianfca is correct. Hyundai now only supply a charger for use with charging points (type 2?) with the PHEVs now. Bizarrely, their EVs now also come with a granny charger. How daft is that? It seems utterly pointless to charge a PHEV on a public charger (isn’t one of the main attractions of them that you don’t have to?) and charging a BEV on a granny charger would take several days! The sales guy apologised for not thinking that through, but has said he would sort one out for us if we order (along with, hopefully, a set of mats – especially as AP discounts seem to be off the table). Updates since last post – handed the pre-facelift model back this afternoon. As we couldn’t charge it, we have been running around in Hybrid mode all day, which is clearly the worst mode for mpg. It seems as though ‘Auto’ is the most sensible mode to drive in, as it runs mostly in EV mode but the occasional engine usage keeps the battery going longer and extends it’s range. Unlike many PHEV drivers, I’m not being at all fooled by the stated mpg on the computer. For it to mean anything, you’d have to recalculate it manually, adding in the fuel equivalent cost of charging it – which nobody does as it’s far too complicated! I can’t be bothered to work it out either, but I don’t reckon that the fuel savings will be quite as much as some claim. Having to charge the thing after each use will be a faff compared to the zero maintenance petrol car that we have now, so I need to get my head around whether the saving is big enough to add in the hassle factor. I took out a brand new facelift PHEV Ultimate for a 10 mile blast. It didn’t seem as quick as the pre-facelift one but, as with the pre facelift model, it was still OK. Not blisteringly quick (like the iX1 30e that I had recently), and certainly not as quick as my current X1 20i, but perfectly adequate. The added weight of these PHEVs is quite noticeable and I can now see why they need to have high PS figures to help counter it. I’ve now got a facelift Hybrid Ultimate for 24 hours to see how the new tech compares. The sales guy said that although the PS is less than the PHEV, it would feel quicker as it’s lighter. I felt the opposite tbh and the engine noise was more noticeable and felt more strained than in the PHEVs. I’ll drive it more tonight (to test the matrix headlights) and tomorrow but I’m already thinking I’d prefer the PHEV, even if the maths aren’t necessarily in its favour. The leather seats in the Ultimate feel the same as the alcantara ones in the N Line S (I.e. not great). My shoulder blades seem to be at the top of the seat and it doesn’t feel right. It would be OK for 95% of our journeys, but might be more problematic on longer journeys. A mate of mine has had several Santa Fe’s and I’ve never found the seats comfortable in those either. If we get a Tucson PHEV I think we’ve settled on the Ultimate. Whilst I prefer the styling of the N Line S I prefer the leather seats and easy access system. The main decider though is that our local dealer has had a Cypress Green Ultimate with Cypress Green interior in for a customer, and my wife loved it (and the Motability entitlement is hers – I’m just the chauffeur 🙄). It looks pretty much grey with just a hint of green and is a shade darker than even the darker of the two greys, so it helps to mask the naff plastic wheel arches and sills. The Cypress Green interior is basically the black leather interior but the dark grey cloth door trim strips and dashboard strips are a sort of lighter grey / green colour. Sounds awful but actually looks really nice and adds a bit of contrast. I still prefer the Moss Grey lighter interior, which I think would be a nice contrast with the dark exterior, but the boss will decide 🙄

            The new one comes with a granny charger, so perhaps the sales guy wasn’t upto date on the new model. It isn’t even available as an option on the configorator as such and one of Hyundai’s press release suggested so too. However, the from 2023 update Hyundai stopped including it with the older model for some daft reason.

            I asked at time of ordering mine, if they would chuck a set of mats in, the saleslady said she thought it came with them. On collection day I asked the same question again but wasn’t sure on entering the car there was a set in place, were they included or given free I don’t know. What I do know, as with most manufacturers a set of mats are provided in the boot when shipped!

            If you keep the battery topped up the balanced range you see shouldn’t be far off. When I went up my parents I brimmed the tank the tank and again when I got home, like a fool! The calculations minus the 35 miles before the the car changed to a hybrid, wernt that different to that shown by the on board computer. I probably still have the piece of paper I did the calculation on lying around.

            There has being a few complaint’s on Hyundai’s forums about the plastic insert a top of seats (silver band on the Ultimate) not being comfy and the remedy has been a small gel pad over the seat, However I’m not sure your refering to this and I haven’t come across it because I’m a short 5ft 9″.

            As I said on the previous topic, choosing the colour wisely the side profile isn’t in your face. Personally I would of chosen moss grey because it lifts the cabin more, giving it an air of sophisication but, Ive learn’t my lesson from argueing with women! 😂

            The lheadlights & matrix lights/highbeam are superior to the outgoing model and I get along fine driving country roads going up my parents however they aren’t quite in the same league as IQ matrix lights.

            If you choose to have one I’m sure you’ll get use to PHEV in a short time and like it for what it is and where it sits in the market and I’m always happy to help:-)

            Power wise its got some go if you command it, going from 0-60 in 7.1s or 0.4g according to my son (who races) timming gear. It’s not a very economical way of driving a PHEV though lol.

            in reply to: I wish it was all over! #285118
            kezo
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              Did I do something wrong???

              Have you joined me on the naughty step! 🤣

              I think the forum server is being a little over sensitive today 🙂

              in reply to: Everything Enyaq #285114
              kezo
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                Looks nice in black @Rich44

                in reply to: Hyundai Tucson Test Drive Questions #285097
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                  To be honest we haven’t used the Auto mode at all so I can’t compare. We get about 38mpg when in hybrid mode but we do try to use electric as much as we can. Our car has now done nearly 40K miles and overall it is averaging 64 mpg. It is good news about the granny charger as we are due to change early next year and the Tuscon is a strong contender.

                  Thats actually not bad in hybrid mode given its holding the battery charge level. I think other manufacturers call it charge mode.

                  I had an early termination on the Tucson ICE and I haven’t looked back. The ride is superior and the interior is night and day compared to the pre facelift one.

                  I did a 400 mile trip a couple of weeks ago in Auto and got 50.4mpg, I started with a full battery and didn’t recharge till back home, so it did majority of miles as an Hybrid. I would of probably got more if I didn’t play about with sport mode sweveral times.

                  I’m saving a fortune locally, getting 34 miles in ev and once I manage just shy of 38, I’m happy with that given I live in a hilly area.

                  I also opted for N line S this time round 🙂

                  The electric motor has also being increased to 72kW on the new one, which makes a difference.

                  in reply to: I wish it was all over! #285094
                  kezo
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                    Stranger things have happened in football, Scotland did qualify for the Euros remember!

                    I must of missed that! 😂

                    in reply to: waEV-Charge point or Ohme charge point #285079
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                      WaEV is solar compatable with intelligent tariffs.

                      Which makes it a mile better than Ohme’s offering especially if Solar panels are even a remote consideration. I’d have jumped for this if it was available when I had mine installed.

                      Correction my comment didn’t come out as planned – its not Octopus Ovo intelligent.

                      https://www.waevcharge.co.uk/waev-charge-ev1i

                      in reply to: I wish it was all over! #285074
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                        “No Mike you misunderstand i can completely understand why they would want Klopp but I would be astonished if he took it.

                        I’ve been astonished before:-

                        SNP

                        Sturgeon

                        Useless

                        Brexit

                        Boris Johnston

                        Liz Truss

                        Trump

                        In fact, the only thing now that astonishes  me is that I continue to be astonished ”

                         

                        There you go all edited and corrected my dear chap 🤣🤣

                         

                        in reply to: Hyundai Tucson Test Drive Questions #285073
                        kezo
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                          We have had an Ultimate PHEV for 2 years now it is a great car. For short journeys we keep the car on electric and usually get approximately 30+ miles before it reverts to Hybrid mode. On longer journeys we plan when to use the electric power, we keep the car in Hybrid mode and change to electric when we are in Urban areas or stuck in traffic. We use a granny charger all the time and when we got the car the cable was included but I think this has changed now. We were told by our dealer that the Granny charger is now referred to as an emergency cable and it is no longer supplied with the vehicle.

                          I find switching to HEV mode gives me the worst of all mpg on a run compared to leaving it in Auto mode, however, there are no LEZ zones where I go anyway.

                          What mpg are you getting when switching to hybrid compared to Auto mode?

                          The 2024 facelift also comes with a granny charger 🙂

                          in reply to: I wish it was all over! #285067
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                            I thought Klopp agreed a 2 year extension?

                            Klopp finished as Liverpool manager at the end of last season and Arne Slot took the job on from June 1st. Klopp is now out of work but said he wants to take a good break to recharge his batteries.

                            https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11669/12600821/jurgen-klopp-liverpool-manager-signs-new-two-year-contract-extension-at-anfield

                            However, I don’t know for sure 🙂

                            in reply to: I wish it was all over! #285062
                            kezo
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                              I thought Klopp agreed a 2 year extension?

                              in reply to: waEV-Charge point or Ohme charge point #285061
                              kezo
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                                WaEV is solar compatable with intelligent tariffs.

                                in reply to: I wish it was all over! #285045
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                                  Southgate had gone then!

                                  Oh! Not heard that yet cheers.

                                  in reply to: Hyundai Tucson Test Drive Questions #285042
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                                    It would be good if you could get the facelift for 48hrs c/w a granny charger!

                                    It aslso has the benifit of acoustic glass!

                                    in reply to: Hyundai Tucson Test Drive Questions #285038
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                                      Dislikes – The seat back seems to be pressing on my shoulder blades (I’m 6ft 2), meaning I’m having to have it a little more reclined than I’d like. The seats look the same on the facelift model but I’ll check again on the Ultimate in the showroom later. Doesn’t feel any quicker than my (on paper) less powerful petrol BMW, but I’m guessing that’s due to it being a PHEV and heavier. Sat Nav mapping not as good as I’m used to, nor is functionality. Maybe the facelift is better. Acceleration can feel a bit lethargic, unless pushed when there’s a slight lag before it kicks in. In contrast, my BMW is more instantaneous and responsive. I’m conscious that this is the pre facelift model so some issues may have improved slightly. I’m going out again in it shortly with my wife. Unfortunately it will be mostly in petrol mode, but the weather isn’t as bad today. It’s certainly in with a chance, but I’ll make my mind up when I’ve had a short drive in the newer PHEV and had another 24 hours in a facelift (non-PHEV model). At present, I feel that I prefer my BMW but, on the basis that we have to change to get the hoist, it’s probably as good as we’ll get on the scheme these days.

                                      I’m a little concerned when you suggest acceleration is a bit lethargic with a slight lag unless pushed as, was this in ev or hybrid? The battery propulsion in electric and hybrid should remove lag and as reviews state it should propel forward like no pure ICE can. I hower do find it holds a higher gear perhaps too long before changing up or dropping down, requiring throttle modulation. The Facelift has a more powerful electric motor, so much of muchness equal to the pre facelft. Kia still says 350Nm for the 2025 Sportage yey, both cars share the powertrain with their big brothers yet they are down as 367Nm, either way there seems errors and Hyundai quoting the electric motor torque alone. Either way your looking at 7.6s 0-62 in both, but your best with hybrid if your driving like that. However with a PHEV inc Tiguan/Kuga your looking at around 120bhp on electric only, with only full power with both powertrains combined!

                                      Is it the side bolsters of the seat back or the shiny insert in the back of the seat you feel. I find the N line seats more comfortable from the off, the leather I found was tight/harder untill they give with my previous model.

                                      The Sat Nav, I could turn on 3d mode with my pre facelift model and expect the same for the refresh model. Nav is based on Tom Tom live.

                                       

                                      • This reply was modified 22 hours, 32 minutes ago by kezo.
                                      kezo
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                                        My point, is these articles are nothing short of pointless. They are always based during summer quarter, which happens to be the cheapes’t rate and based on charging from home. You don’t have to be genius to know, if your able to charge at home and your journey’s are always in the range of your vehicle, it is going to be cheaper than running a fossil car.

                                        in reply to: Hyundai Tucson Test Drive Questions #285029
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                                          I’ve just been on a decent drive in both EV and Auto (which was mostly EV) and deliberately let the battery run out so that I could then see what it was like on petrol only.

                                          To clarify, the battery won’t deplete below 12% and will switch and drive as a full hybrid. HEV mode uses more of the engine but, still prodominately drives as a hybrid. Sport mode uses full power combining both engine and battery but, will hop into electric if cruising every now and again.

                                          in reply to: Hyundai Tucson Test Drive Questions #285027
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                                            I don’t why I didn’t see this yesterday, as I was particularly keeping an eye open for any questions, as all wmc mail goes into junk folder😂!

                                            1) Does the Tucson PHEV come with a charging cable that can be used in a 3 pin plug as standard, or do you have to buy one?

                                            The granny charger lives to the right under the boot floor, a bit further back than the crease in the boot floor carpet liner thing.

                                            There is a third driving mode that I haven’t used yet (Hybrid?), although I think the car may have now been ‘forced’ into it by the battery running out. Is this a mode where the petrol engine charges the battery? If so, if I take it out for a drive tonight (which I intend to do anyway to test the headlights) will I be able to ‘charge’ the battery? Is there a way to do this?

                                            HEV mode keeps the battery at the current state or charge’s it, for emmision free running in ULEZ zones etc (most uneconomical mode)

                                            Auto & EV mode are basically the same, the car tries to drive where possible in electric but will also drive like a normal hybrid once the battery depletes to around 12%. I leave mine in Auto!

                                             

                                            kezo
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                                              My Enyaq currently (no pun intended!) says 3.5 miles per kWh, so at 7p/kWh that’s 2p per mile or 36 miles for 72p vs £6.58 for a gallon of petrol 🙂

                                              Roughly £148 for 7,400 miles (7400/36×0.72)

                                               

                                              kezo
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                                                Going by their figure of an EV driver spending £680 for 7400 miles my crossover point must have been last year!,

                                                That works out roughly 10p mile ?

                                                in reply to: Volvo xc40 #284989
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                                                  I’ve managed to book into K F for the same day we are collecting the car and have pushed the collection time to later. Fingers crossed it all works out!

                                                  👍

                                                  Hope everthing goes well and your happy with the new car.

                                                  in reply to: New Car day #284985
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                                                    Looks smart in red – Enjoy

                                                    in reply to: I wish it was all over! #284983
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                                                      Agree!

                                                      Its not a good example to set the kids though. Mind you, having said that has football ever been!

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