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Be better if all the plate was green instead of just a blob at one side.
Would you want a big green rectangle attached to your car? Not sure I would!
Assuming the green bit replaces the old EU flags and country initials
I wonder what will happen to all of us Motability users when the time comes that we have to have an EV (from 2030 onwards)… and the government go ahead with plans to charge everyone by the miles they do? That’s going to mean a sizeable AP for a start, even for smaller EV’s, and then a suggested £1.50 per mile on top of that. When you think of how many bi££ions the government currently make from fuel duty – that’s going to be a massive shortfall to make up. Will we get reduced concessions? It’s all food for thought…
If the government was going to charge a per mile cost rather than on fuel duty why would you expect a cheaper rate or exemption? It is the same as now where you pay the tax on your fuel – this way you would just have a separate charge that could be equivalent to the fuel duty we already pay.
Not sure why if would affect the AP either?
Thanks alan1302. Please point me to incontrovertible evidence that co2 is causing climate change?
I could show you things – and I am sure that you could find them on Google – but I think you have your mind made up that it doesn’t so is it worth me even looking? I think probably not.
It’s due to climate change.
Majority of cars not use fossil fuels. Fossil fuels will eventually run out, release lots of C02 into the atmosphere as well as lots of other gases and dusts that are not good for the climate or for us breathing in.
Electric cars mean that all the fuel can be generated without any fossil fuels by changing electricity generation to using renewables such as hydro/wind/solar as well as nuclear power generation.
It’s been proven that co2 is causing the climate to change and that is down to co2 being release by humans. If the co2 levels drop then this will slow/stop and unnatural climate change. This has all been shown to be true and there is plenty of scientific evidence to back it up.
Nissan announced last week the new Qashqai is to build in Sunderland.. Coming back to the original post, the SMMT is scaremongering. It’s what they do.
Which is like I said – they continue on as usual – but if the UK does not get itself a good deal they will pack up the factory and move it to the EU. The only originally came to the UK as they got a good deal with the UK government of the time so am sure they can leave as easily if things change for them.
What part of the report is scaremongering?
Dear me alan1302. Are you saying removing VAT on EVs which will be paid for from everyone’s taxes is a good thing because in 10 years time the people in my street may be able to afford to buy one?
Removing VAT would be a good short term measure as it increases sales which in turn increases the number being produced which in turn brings the costs of them down. There maybe less VAT being collected but it’s good for the economy and what is good for that is good for the UK. The car dealers can employee more people to sell more car so the government gets more text from the employees – more chargers are needed which is more jobs and more tax to the government. We need to invest in renewable power – so more jobs and more tax being paid.
VAT being taken off can have large long term boost – you need to look at the big picture.
If there are more jobs about maybe people in your street may be working in one of those industries and benefit from it?
That’ll be why JLR have just announced a new apprenticeship program to put 300 people through university.
Companies continue to run as normal until things change – if the UK does not get a deal then many companies will change what they are doing now. If they had said they were building a new factory then that would be more interesting as that shows a level of commitment to the UK.
f it doesn’t, then the motor industry will do what all global companies do, which is to sell its goods wherever there is demand and make its profits where it can.
Which is most likely to mean they close the UK factories losing potentially 1,000’s of skilled jobs which will be hard to replace.
I don’t see what that has to do with the people in your street driving older used cars though? Surely if they remove VAT from EVs which will encourage more people to buy them then those cars will trickle down to the used market which means more choice and less expensive models are available for people that can’t afford new cars?
I don’t know where you live, alan1302, but if I look at the cars parked in the street around here, which their owners depend on from day to day, I reckon plenty are worth well under £5000 and are mostly at least 10 years old. EV s will never reach that level. There is also the issue that depreciation of ICE cars tails off in later years and values level off whereas EV car depreciation increases.
Just a quick look on AutoTrader shows quite a few EV’s under £5,000. As more and more EV’s are sold the used prices will come down further and further.
I thought this was about VAT on new cars though so not sure what this has to do with that?
Another way of looking at it Martinod is that it would be good for people wealthy enough to buy a new car but bad for the poorer people who would have to pay for it through taxation.
Or you could look at it another way…the government takes the VAT off…encourages more people to buy them…the car companies are happy as they are increasing sales and they can make more cars…making more cars means they can produce them for less money so they can produce cheaper cars which encourages more people to buy them.
Alan1302, I agree it would make no sense to make cars in the UK just for the UK market. There’s a world outside the EU, you know…
There is a world outside of the EU – but that is the biggest market for cars near the UK.
Nissan – make cars in the UK for the EU market – they have factories elsewhere to send cars to places outside of the EU.
Toyota – same as Nissan.
BMW – they have factories in the EU already so may want to use those more.
JLR – they have overseas factories in China they could use if they get better import taxes.
Vauxhall – they make the Opel Astra for the EU market – the car could easily be made elsewhere as they are owned by PSA who have a lot of car factories to use.
So if the UK gets a poor Brexit deal why would the companies want to stay?
TWho buys all those Jaguar Land Rover cars? well, the Americans, so WTA with the EU would make no difference anyway. Nissan & Toyota are another matter, & there’s cars going both ways (to & from the EU), so that just gets complicated. Cherry picking of the statistics isn’t useful by many of the authors of these articles & studies.
JLR sold 146,000 cars in Europe last year and 125,000 cars in the US…so the US certainly does not buy all of them or even the majority of them.
Nissan is most at risk at leaving as they have an alliance with Renault so can easily close the Sunderland plant and move production into the EU. Am sure BMW could with Mini as well
Assuming no deal and WTO, cars imported from EU countries will face the same tariffs as cars made in the rest of the world. British made cars will not giving them a cost advantage. Is it not possible that European manufacturers will look to set up production in the UK? Capitalism chases profits.
No, it makes no economic sense to makes cars in the UK just for the UK market – car makers require volume and so need to be able to export out of the UK and anything that makes that harder and more expensive is bad for the UK based makers.
Is that because there are more EV’s in the south though? EV’s are still generally being bought by the more wealthy who are more likely to be living in the London/South East. So the chargers get put where the demand is – no real surprise there.
Am pretty sure if Doncaster council was seen putting in EV charging points there would be plenty of people saying it was waste of money.
Alan, Atiq of course anything can happen in the future but as it stands, and for the foreseeable future, EVs will be the car of choice between the two. There are problems with both choices with regard to their green credentials but nothing is perfect. Hydrogen will have a part to play in the green revolution but probably as a means of storing energy. So as it stands governments and manufacturers world wide are pouring £billions into battery tech and infrastructure, most of which would be useless for hydrogen cars, so unless all of this is to be thrown away in favour of hydrogen EVs have won, if won is the correct word.
Have just been reading your post about the new VW car coming in 2 years time with a 700km battery pack…staring to think I may be wrong about the need for Hydrogen except for trucks maybe that need to do very long distances…700km is 434 miles which I think would suit the majority of people.
Another car for the super rich no doubt.
When the first petrol cars came out they were only for the super rich as well – we need those people to buy the cars so the manufactuerers recoup their investments and then that helps drive down costs for us that can’t afford high powered vehicles. The fact they are hoping to produce such a long range electric vehicle in 2 years time should be applauded rather than than usual negative-ness that seems to be all there canbe on the internet these days.
Azzy are you living on a different planet lol. Electric is the only way forward for cars there are no ifs buts or maybes its a done deal.
In what way is it a done deal? Lots of things can change in the future. I still think electric cars are the short term before hydrogen vehicles become more common over the next few decades – especially with large vans & trucks where the low range of electric vehicles will continue to be an issue.
The new MG5 will feature highly on that list I reckon…. an estate with a 200 mile range for a bargain basement price seems perfect for taxi drivers
Depends if you take into account depreciation costs – the MG5 will depreciate a lot more heavily that some of the better known cars, especially something like the Toyota’s which are usually very reliable even with a lot of miles on so command better prices when used.
Hi Alan I don’t know what deal they have but what needs to be known is do the Canadians and Dutch look after disabled folk from overseas from other countries or do they even care. Are our interest being looked after in view of this take over and do Motability bother to compare the market for better deals like were always being told to do for our gas, electric and internet. The deal we have at the moment is AFAIK a good one but was any provision taken on board before they cracked open the Champaign to make sure Motability and we customers don’t get taken for granted.
I’m not sure what it would matter how the Canadians and Dutch treat disabled people? The policy is in the UK under UK laws and being taken over won’t be making a change to the policies that are already in place. Motability would decide on the cover they want and what is expected from the insurer – they must get that at present from RSA and if any changes happened then I am sure they would use a different company but at present it’s just a large company being taken over – which usually for the end customer makes no difference.
I’m sure both Motability and RSA are more than happy with the deal, Motability gets all their vehicles insured and RSA never has to pay out for any contents/possessions that get damaged or stolen!
They don’t have to pay out as they are not covered under the policy – even with standard car insurance you would be better off covering items in the car under your home policy rather than the cars.
