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Guys feel free to pull this post, it appears a Brexit deal has been agreed.
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She created that noose, when she called the early election, expecting a greater majority and ended up with the way it is now.
She’s offered to meet with leaders of the opposition tonight and in the next coming days…… desperate times….. If EU leaders don’t change their stance, i’m not sure what good it will do.
I think it is us who will need to change our stance Trev, and i think, to get anything through parliament, it will need to be a closer union with the EU. How the majority of English people, who voted to leave, will deal with that i`m not sure, i imagine they will be quite angry. How do you satisfy 17,000,000 plus people, who voted to leave, by agreeing to be in a customs union etc when they voted against that in the referendum?
I fear that no matter what is agreed, this nation is and will be devided for many years to come.
The only person who got all his work done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe.
Anything i post over three lines long please assume it is an article lol.I think a lot of people are fed up to the back teeth with it all and just want it over and done with.
I see all party leaders barr Corbyn have met with the PM this evening – Corbyn won’t unless she agrees there won’t be a hard brexit. Those other party leaders have also signed a joint letter to Corbyn calling for a backing of a people’s vote on the final brexit deal.
Surely article 50 will have to be extended, it’s taken 2 1/2 years to get this far and we’re miles from the finish flag yet.
Everyone is sick to the back teeth with it Trev lol. It’s at this point when you need to ensure you don’t just accept anything to get it over and done with.
The thing about negotiations is that you need to have some leverage or you have no chance of success. Leaving with no deal is our leverage, corbyn wants us to throw that away “idiot”.
As you know I have thought, for months, the only way to get a deal everyone can get behind is for a second vote to be undertaken. If the vote is still to leave, we leave”hard Brexit”. No ifs buts or maybes.
Article 50 may need to be extended no matter what the outcome.
The only person who got all his work done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe.
Anything i post over three lines long please assume it is an article lol.Brydo, where are all the Corbyn supporters – i’ve yet to hear from one? lol I even know of couple of labourites that don’t want him as leader. But that’s a different story, perhaps a stronger labour leader would have had May out by now.
neither particularly brydo, i just think the referendum should be honoured.
just as in scotland politicians here just like the poison dwarf up north dont like the result so throw their toys out of the pram and mess around trying to get a rerun to suit their own ends.
even may i reckon called the snap election hoping theyd lose and hand the poison chalice to corbyn.
its a bit like the pass the parcel nobody wants.
the eu were never going to let us leave easily theyre going to lose too much money and a good deal would tempt italy and greece to follow.
How do we feel about this (from John Redwood):
I was pleased to see the EU is moving as planned to set more tax rates and tax policies at the EU level just as I have been predicting. The EU needs to centralise more to back the Euro and to complete its political union. It also underlines why many of us do not want this future for the UK, where we want to vote for those who tax us and have the right to sack them if they displease. As The EU’s latest document says, it wants to stop member states offering lower taxes as incentives to businesses or rich individuals. It wants ” a fair tax environment for all” which they say only the EU could guarantee for member states.
The ideas set out in “Towards a more efficient and democratic decision making in EU tax policy” concentrate on removing the ability of a state to veto a tax proposal. The EU also wants to introduce powers for the European parliament in this area. They are keen to press on with a common corporate tax system, VAT, a Financial Transaction Tax and a Digital Services Tax. They claim “co-ordinated EU action in taxation is essential to protect Member State’s revenues”. They claim “In today’s larger, modern and more integrated EU, a purely national approach to taxation no longer works and unanimity is neither a practical nor an effective way of decision making”. They want a standard system of VAT with a single form instead of 28 varieties as at present, and the ability to stop Ireland and others undercutting corporate taxes to attract business.
You cannot be an independent country and have others impose taxes on your citizens and set your budget. The UK is getting out just in time. If we stay in or bind ourselves to their laws after technically leaving we could end up with their new taxes that would damage our businesses and our consumers.
After reading this, you can’t help but think, we would be better out. I voted to remain but was always open to persuasion and this type of dogma doesn’t sit well with me.
The only person who got all his work done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe.
Anything i post over three lines long please assume it is an article lol.This also from John Redwood:
There is a lot of confusion and deliberate misinformation about trading under the WTO. Here are some facts that might help.
1. All our current trade is under the WTO, as the EU is a member. The UK will become a full member with vote and voice as soon as we leave the EU, as we never surrendered our membership when we joined the EU.
2. There is no WTO schedule of tariffs that automatically comes in. Each member of the WTO files its own tariff schedule and trades with anyone under that who wish to trade. The WTO requires a member to trade with any other member on the same terms, unless there is an approved Free Trade Agreement that exempts the countries from the common tariff of the Schedules. A country is always free unilaterally to cut or remove tariffs.
3. If a country’s trading terms are disputed by another member there is a dispute resolution procedure. A dispute does not stop trading under the published terms whilst the dispute is being resolved.
4. The EU does not have Free Trade Agreements with the USA, China, Brazil etc so we trade successfully with them at the moment under WTO rules and under the tariff schedule set by the EU. Once out we can sign Free Trade deals with these countries removing these tariffs, or could cut some of the tariffs unilaterally any time we wanted to make imports cheaper.
5. The so called side deals the EU has with these countries are mainly unimportant or unrelated to trade. Some are multilateral agreements that the UK has signed anyway.
6.The one agreement we currently have through the EU that may be important, the General Procurement Agreement, gives us access to public procurement opportunities in signatory states, and gives them the same access to the UK. The WTO has now agreed the UK will be a member of that Agreement in our own right on departure from the EU.
7. The EU has free trade agreements with a number of mainly smaller countries. The top five, Switzerland, Canada, Korea, Norway and Turkey account for three quarters of the exports involved. Switzerland, for example, has agreed to continue all current preferences with the UK as well as with the rest of the EU on our exit. No country with an FTA with the EU has indicated any wish to terminate the agreement with the UK once we leave. Transferring the current deal to both the remaining EU and to the UK is a relatively straightforward process.
8. The WTO does not require us to impose new checks at borders or delay imports into the UK. They recommend risk based checks. As the risks of EU product will not go up the day we leave the EU there is no requirement to impose new difficult checks.
9. If the UK and the EU agree to negotiate a free trade agreement once the UK has left the EU on March 29 this year, we could agree to impose no tariffs on each other and would get WTO consent to not impose them pending the negotiation of a full free trade agreement.
Peter Lilley has published a good pamphlet with Global Britain and Labour Leave setting out more detail called “30 Truths about leaving on WTO terms”
i just wish they would work together to get the best deal possible.the referendum was held the result announced and of course some didnt like the result, it was always going to be thus.
it annoys me that mr corbyn then just sits on his hands and plots and waits for the oportunity to have a vote of no confidence hoping he would then get an election and get into power.all the time refusing to say what he stands for or wether he wants in or out.
even after losing his vote he refuses to engage and take part in any talks unless his terms are met knowing full well that if there is no deal all that is left is a hard brexit.
the eu was never going to let us leave easily because there are others tempted to follow suit as they dont want the france and german federal europe super state any more than us.
we wait and see.
tbh i dont really see how,i cant see a few phone calls will acheive much unless the eu lot have finally realised its going to happen and they blink first. i think they had hoped we would have a change of heart and stay in.
but really our lot need to get together and put up a united front and say do a beter deal or its hard brexit and mean it.
love the “young mitch” lol the body disagrees with you though mike11.
The thing is that, if you voted to leave, and the various groups can agree on something, its almost certain to be a very soft Brexit. All the groups Mrs May is speaking to are in favour of remain, so if she is going to get support from them it will be very soft indeed.
The only person who got all his work done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe.
Anything i post over three lines long please assume it is an article lol.
The only person who got all his work done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe.
Anything i post over three lines long please assume it is an article lol.Well that was a waste of time, is anyone any clearer on a consensus moving forward?
The only person who got all his work done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe.
Anything i post over three lines long please assume it is an article lol.I thought the whole point of today’s speech was to outline the way forward and we didn’t get that
The only person who got all his work done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe.
Anything i post over three lines long please assume it is an article lol.the trouble is there should have been cross party negotiations from the begining on the basis that the referendum voted out and the politicians should have simply accepted that and gone about getting the best deal. instead the various factions have attempted to get various options from a second vote to remain regardless,to no deal. and all through it corbyn has simply tried to manouvere a general election in order to get elected without stating what he wants,which appears to be remain in all but name.he wants us in the customs union and to accede to the echr etc with no say or veto on what affects us. which was the main reason i think most voted leave. we dont want a federal europe taking over.
unfortunateley i think its going to be a mess and none of the politicians are covering themselves in glory i would be in favour of a new entry on any ballot sheet “none of the above”.
Cross party negotiation simply will never work, politicians are only looking out for themselves and their relevant parties – There will be no Christmas day truce here.
The scrappage of the £65 EU citizens fee is probably her trying to offer something to the EU in the hope they will return something on the backstop – when in reality employers here who need EU workers were going to cough up the fee anyhow – Our local hospitals here in Oxford had already announced they would pay the fee for EU workers and their families, as simply the hospitals would be able to run without them. So I guess in May retracting of the fee has saved the NHS a fair few quid, as well as many other companies.
I don’t understand how they can vote on this ‘amended’ deal when the issue of the backstop has been changed at all – again, it is about politicians being politicians, and another ‘winding down of the clock’.
May is trying, and insisting on a deal that will be acceptable to remainers – that lies the problem.
I’m done with it all and just looking at this as the political circus it is with the humour it deserves.
For those here trying to get there head around what’s going on, try reading this:
Left me with a headache….
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