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Thought I would start a thread to compare the modern PHEV on the Mobility scheme, it would nice so see how each model compares against another, it would be nice to see if someone would create a thread for Hybrid .
The important thing for all of us is running cost
With our Suzuki Across this month we have covered 720 miles all in EV we have used no petrol we are now seeing due to the colder weather around 52/53 miles on a charger with the heating and aircon, the other day it was very cold we only achieved 46 miles. In August and early September we were seeing 56/58 miles no heating or aircon on.
720 miles total cost £27.24 179.2 kWh
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
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You are saying that your total costs are 0.057 pence per mile. That means one twentieth of a penny per mile.
0.o57 pence in my book is 5.7 pence? Same as £0.057p
No it isn’t ? £0.057 is 5.7 pence. 0.057 pence is exactly that – around one twentieth of a penny. Completely different. It was a genuine question as some PHEV drivers never refuel with petrol and run on electric only – but the charging costs are often not mentioned.
You are saying that your total costs are 0.057 pence per mile. That means one twentieth of a penny per mile.
0.o57 pence in my book is 5.7 pence? Same as £0.057p
No it isn’t
£0.057 is 5.7 pence. 0.057 pence is exactly that – around one twentieth of a penny. Completely different. It was a genuine question as some PHEV drivers never refuel with petrol and run on electric only – but the charging costs are often not mentioned.Its my excitement or lack of with decimal points ?
Trentham Gardens just outside Stoke on Trent on the A34 using EV.online app 22 kWh chargers £2.50 per hour.
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
Trentham Gardens just outside Stoke on Trent on the A34 using EV.online app 22 kWh chargers £2.50 per hour.
Ideally I’d want to avoid motorways mate and my mention of the A34 was more of a joke of heading to Stafford way to charge at yours?
Trentham Gardens just outside Stoke on Trent on the A34 using EV.online app 22 kWh chargers £2.50 per hour.
Ideally I’d want to avoid motorways mate and my mention of the A34 was more of a joke of heading to Stafford way to charge at yours
I did realise that M5/M6 is a mobile carpark, the A34 heavy roadwork. When we lived in Mid Wales about 7 years ago we made good use on the A49
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
Trentham Gardens just outside Stoke on Trent on the A34 using EV.online app 22 kWh chargers £2.50 per hour.
Ideally I’d want to avoid motorways mate and my mention of the A34 was more of a joke of heading to Stafford way to charge at yours
I did realise that M5/M6 is a mobile carpark, the A34 heavy roadwork. When we lived in Mid Wales about 7 years ago we made good use on the A49
Is Staffordshire area your homeland? I’d like to move back up that way (home)
We are approximately 6 months into our Suzuki Across lease to date 3870 miles our cost per mile 0.057 pence
Presumably that’s worked out using just the cost of petrol? Are you able to always charge for free? I’ve no doubt that PHEVs and EVs are cheaper to run, but to make a fair comparison with a petrol car people must include the total cost to charge plus factor in any additional AP over the petrol equivalent, otherwise the figures and comparisons are meaningless.
As usual you have assumed wrong this the total running cost petrol and electricity, charge for free ?, I should point out hat includes towing a 1500kg caravan, why are you always so negative.
You are saying that your total costs are 0.057 pence per mile. That means one twentieth of a penny per mile. So 10 miles is costing you just over half a penny and 100 miles is costing you 5.7 pence, total. Rather than assume I am being negative you could just confirm that’s correct? I also stand by the point that to get a true comparison people cannot conveniently ignore the higher APs. If additional to a petrol car, they need to be included in running costs.
Opps that should read read £0.057 per miles 100 miles costing, but you are still negative
Thank you for clarifying. I’m sorry that you consider seeking accurate and complete information to be negative.
I have a signature at the bottom of all my post you obviously failed to read that.
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
Trentham Gardens just outside Stoke on Trent on the A34 using EV.online app 22 kWh chargers £2.50 per hour.
Ideally I’d want to avoid motorways mate and my mention of the A34 was more of a joke of heading to Stafford way to charge at yours
I did realise that M5/M6 is a mobile carpark, the A34 heavy roadwork. When we lived in Mid Wales about 7 years ago we made good use on the A49
Is Staffordshire area your homeland? I’d like to move back up that way (home)
It has been for the past 30 + year, originally I was was Salisbury plane not far from Stonehenge.
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
Update to my running costs, pennies a week if ran on EV,
MPG on our normal everyday use is about 100mpg plus, if plugged in every night
Will be going full EV next lease, but running costs round the doors with no long runs is ideal for our use.
This month 338 miles all on Octopus Agile £11.66 equivalent to 197.7 mpg is you were to run on petrol @ £1.50 litre.
The last time we added any fuel was back in 29/11/2023 at 2812 miles to date we have been running in EV mode only over the winter always with the heater on were now at 4724 miles over the past 8 month our average is 143.34 mpg, if you were to run on petrol.
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
The problems is we paid the £6999 AP this morning it’s £4999, a £2,000 drop that a lot of running cost.
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
In the facelift Tuscon I’m getting 34 miles on average. If I take it easy or use regen paddles it around 38 miles and just over 50mpg on a run.
In the facelift Tuscon I’m getting 34 miles on average. If I take it easy or use regen paddles it around 38 miles and just over 50mpg on a run.
Hi @kezo It’s touch and go whether we pick up our Tucson PHEV on Tuesday. It didn’t arrive this week as hoped, so it will have to arrive on Monday or (very latest) Tuesday morning if the hoist installation can go ahead as planned on Tuesday afternoon 🙄
34 miles electric range sounds good. That would cover all our local journeys (as we hoped). I didn’t feel any regenerative breaking at all on either of our test drives (thankfully), but will have a play with it when we take delivery. Am I right in thinking you adjust it with the left paddle?
Was the 50mpg on a run starting with a fully charged battery? If so, I’ll be disappointed with that tbh. I can get 50mpg on a run in the BMW and don’t have to pay to charge it, so I’d be hoping for 60mpg plus for it to work out no more expensive to run once charging costs are factored in.
In the facelift Tuscon I’m getting 34 miles on average. If I take it easy or use regen paddles it around 38 miles and just over 50mpg on a run.
Hi @kezo It’s touch and go whether we pick up our Tucson PHEV on Tuesday. It didn’t arrive this week as hoped, so it will have to arrive on Monday or (very latest) Tuesday morning if the hoist installation can go ahead as planned on Tuesday afternoon
34 miles electric range sounds good. That would cover all our local journeys (as we hoped). I didn’t feel any regenerative breaking at all on either of our test drives (thankfully), but will have a play with it when we take delivery. Am I right in thinking you adjust it with the left paddle? Was the 50mpg on a run starting with a fully charged battery? If so, I’ll be disappointed with that tbh. I can get 50mpg on a run in the BMW and don’t have to pay to charge it, so I’d be hoping for 60mpg plus for it to work out no more expensive to run once charging costs are factored in.Yes 3 levels on the paddles – left to increase & right to decrease or hold left paddle for max regen/hold. In sport mode the paddles will change gear.
Battery charged at start of trip and put back on charge on my return home after nearly 400 miles. Thats navigating hilly wales and navigating the Breacon Beacons in both directions, as well as my well leaded right foot!
Taking into account around 100 miles a week locally more than makes up for my 3-4 weekly trip.
I thought it may be useful to someone out there who may be considering a PHEV to inform them of my experience as a newbie, particularly anyone living in the Glasgow area.
It’s been around 6 weeks since taking delivery of my first ever PHEV and the car itself has been an absolute pleasure to drive. I do around 60-70 miles p/wk city driving and normally a 300 mile round trip once a month. When researching new vehicles, my thoughts were that a PHEV would suit my needs perfectly with all town driving being exclusively in EV mode alongside increased efficiency and performance on my monthly trip. I did not however research public charging facilities in Glasgow as had wrongly assumed that these would be relatively cheap and accessible.
There are very restrictive charging times in place within the city, parking fees are applied and charging costs are not the cheapest. In the city centre, there is a two hour charging limit and this extends to 3 hours beyond that boundary. A £40 penalty is automatically applied if there is an overrun. Charging costs are £1 connection fee and 40p kWh. Although blue badge holders can park for free on street chargers for a limited time period, fees apply in council run multi-storey car parks and range from £5 to £25 depending on parking times. If you use your car daily, then it may be useful to know that there are no time restrictions on street chargers between 8pm and 8am.
I’m charging during daytime for a maximum of 2.5 hours on a street charging facility which provides around 20 miles of pure electric driving at a cost of around £3 – with a £40 penalty after 3 hours it’s best to err on the side of caution. Without a blue badge then parking fees of £3.20 per hour would also apply.
I have found that there to be a reasonable number of rapid charging facilities in the city, however these are DC and not compatible with my vehicle nor, as far as I am aware, most if not all PHEV’s. Aside from a few supermarket charging points, PHEV drivers are pretty much limited to the ChargePoint Scotland network detailed above. Availability of these is fairly good at all times as EV drivers will utilise the rapid charging facilities.
Living in a flat, I am unable to have a home charger installed and as such am dependent upon the public charging network. This has proven to be fairly inconvenient given that it has not been possible to fully charge my vehicle and thus requires fairly frequent visits to a charging point to keep a usable charge in the battery. Anyone with home or workplace charging facilities would of course not face this issue at all, though given the population density within the city where the majority of people live in tenements or modern flats, this would apply to a minority of householders.
All things considered, although I am very happy with the performance of my PHEV, I would not recommend this as an option for Glasgow residents without charging facilities. A mild hybrid would be more practical and most probably economical.
I hope someone may find this useful.
Interesting write up @StevieR We are awaiting delivery of our first PHEV, but fortunately we can charge it in our garage. I must confess that if we didn’t have the facility to charge at home I wouldn’t have considered one and would have stuck with petrol or maybe a self charging hybrid. Rightly or wrongly, my perception is that if you have to rely on public charging with a PHEV then it’s a lot of faff for very little return.
On that note, if it’s costing you £3 just to achieve 20 miles EV range, I can’t help but feel that you’d be better off doing as a lot of company car drivers do (who get PHEVs for the lower benefit in kind tax) and just run it on petrol only and don’t bother to charge it. It probably won’t cost any more to run, yet you can fill up in 5 minutes rather than however long a charge takes and you won’t have any of the anxiety of the parking charges and fines etc. Effectively you would then be driving a Hybrid car, rather than a plug-in hybrid, as the car always keeps about 15% of the battery charge.
As you have come to the conclusion that, with hindsight, you would have been better off with a mild hybrid, driving your car (which you like) without charging it will give you a better experience than that, as even without ever charging it you will still be doing small amounts of electric driving that you wouldn’t be able to do in a mild hybrid. You would effectively then be driving a self-charging hybrid
There is of course a further option to you. If you phoned Motability and said that the PHEV ownership experience isn’t working out as you’d expected as relying on public charging is wiping out the savings that you’d expected to make, I suspect they would allow you to do an early termination. It would cost you £250 and you’d lose the cost of any options you added, but you’d get a pro-rata refund of the AP. You might recover that £250 quite quickly with a different car.
Motability have been pushing us all towards EVs and PHEVs and I’m sure that there are quite a few people who, like you, are finding that if you have to rely on public charging it’s not as easy or cost effective as they thought it would be. A nephew of mine has leased a full EV (not through Motability) and , like you, has to rely solely on public charging. The novelty of charging on the public network has well and truly worn off after 2 years and he finds longer journeys to be a pain. He can’t wait to go back to a petrol car when his lease ends next year.
£3.00 for 20 miles works out at 15 pence per mile.
Unleaded petrol @ £1.40 litre at 40 mpg = 15.9 pence mile.
Most modern hybrids achieve around 50 mpg = 12.7 pence per mile.
You would be better of using your PHEV as a hybrid as Glos Guy suggests and save yourself all the agro.
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
We have had the Suzuki Across PHEV just over 12 months 8472 miles which includes towing a 1500kg caravan, the Suzuki has been 100% reliable without even a single minor issue.
Average mpg over the past 12.5 months 119.3mpg this include allowance for electricity
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
We have had the Suzuki Across PHEV just over 12 months 8472 miles which includes towing a 1500kg caravan, the Suzuki has been 100% reliable without even a single minor issue. Average mpg over the past 12.5 months 119.3mpg this include allowance for electricity
I’m confused by mine 😂
I’m getting 34/35 miles taking daughter to from school. On a 60-70+mph run, I’m easily getting 38-42 miles before it switches to hybrid. Surely, I should be getting the most range locally?
We have had the Suzuki Across PHEV just over 12 months 8472 miles which includes towing a 1500kg caravan, the Suzuki has been 100% reliable without even a single minor issue. Average mpg over the past 12.5 months 119.3mpg this include allowance for electricity
I’m confused by mine 😂 I’m getting 34/35 miles taking daughter to from school. On a 60-70+mph run, I’m easily getting 38-42 miles before it switches to hybrid. Surely, I should be getting the most range locally?
We travel between 55/60 mph on a run in HEV mode achieving around 50 + mpg, on local run we have see 60/80 mpg. In theory hybrids are more efficient on local short journeys achieving approximately 40/60% + on regeneration, the Tucson 1.6 ICE has variable cam timing varying between the Atkinson cycle on light loads and the Otto cycle under load, you should be seeing north of 50 mpg ?
We are achieving those sort of figures towing something does not sound right, for some reason the combustion cycle on your ICE unit is not running efficiently ?
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
Kezo just had a quick look at the caravan forums Tuscon HEV owners are claiming seeing on the odd occasion 69/70mpg regularly achieving 45/50mpg, one member towing a 1650 kg caravan 30mpg and another towing a large twin axle 25mpg.
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
Kezo just had a quick look at the caravan forums Tuscon HEV owners are claiming seeing on the odd occasion 69/70mpg regularly achieving 45/50mpg, one member towing a 1650 kg caravan 30mpg and another towing a large twin axle 25mpg.
But are they going by the cars mpg readouts which, as we know with PHEVs, bear absolutely no relation to reality? From what I can gather, only a minuscule percentage of PHEV drivers know how to work out the true mpg equivalent once charging costs are factored in (which the mpg readings don’t allow for). It took me ages to work out the correct way to do it 😂
We are achieving those sort of figures towing something does not sound right, for some reason the combustion cycle on your ICE unit is not running efficiently ?
I think you have misunderstood my halfbaked comment mate 😂
The quoted range was refering to miles driven in electric only.
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