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From the Motability website, dated today 1st April 2024 – Here is Motability’s take on ‘Discover Great Value’ (sic) that they are offering this quarter:
Well they certainly aren’t on the same planet as me! “As manufacturers move their attention to electric vehicles (EVs), we’re able to bring more choice to the Scheme. Their change in focus means that that some petrol and many diesel models are being phased out. We’re starting to see prices increase for those that continue to be available.” I can only submise this is inpart to fund their electric vehicle revolution off the back of ICE/Hybrid.
Hmmm. Interesting. “Manufacturers” are indeed moving their attention to EV’s. The problem is that “customers” aren’t to anywhere near the same degree. Last time I looked, Motability were supposed to look after the interests of customers and not manufacturers.
You wouldn’t think so with the enormous enthusiasm for EVs on this forum, but I believe that the last published figures showed that only 6% of Motability customers had chosen one. Bearing in mind that Motability have been really pushing EVs for 12-18 months now, and one third of their leases renew every year, you don’t need a degree in maths to work out that they aren’t catering for what the majority of their customers want.
I think it’s now proven that the guy who posted on Facebook about Tesla coming on is nothing more than a WUM.
My next vehicle will be a full EV
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally say the wrong thing.
des, the “laminated acoustic glass” adds a sound reflective layer which enhances the clarity of the sound. It works well. I currently have the ten speaker Focal hi-fi audio system in my 3008GT hybrid, and it provides a superb sound experience in my opinion. The opening sunroof will increase the interior light and interior ambience, although keeping it closed will give the optimum ‘sound experience’ when I’m sat at one of the many local Beauty spots, so I’ve added the “Sensation pack” to my E-3008 order. I’ve also added the “mistral full grain leather electric ‘AGR’ pack” as I have a similar electric pack in my current car, and I would struggle now if I changed to a manual system. I am now considering whether to add the “360 vision pack” as it has a few extra useful safety features. The AP reduction makes it a more justifiable addition. I definitely will not be adding a “heat pump” as I don’t cover enough miles to justify the additional expense. The Motability ‘specialist’ at my dealership told me yesterday that he is expecting to have an ‘E-3008’ demonstrator sometime in the next two weeks. I normally would not have considered placing an order for a car I had not sat in and driven, but the fact that I have driven my 3008 GT hybrid for three years means that I’m fairly sure I will find it okay. However, I have seen a few journalists and reviewers commenting on “an unsettled clunky ride over English roads” due to the considerable extra weight generated by the very heavy battery floor. As I suffer from spinal nerve damage I will need to check this one last detail by driving a ‘demo’ around the beautiful (but much potholed) lanes and ‘B’ roads that criss cross my part of the Severn valley. These are just a few personal thoughts on my own particular “needs and wish list”, but of course your needs and wishes will be different …. It’s good to have such a positive AP surprise for a change.
Cheers pops. Like you I had a 3008gt line so think I could live with it. The sunroof would be great as I’ve only ever driven one car with black roof lining. It was only for two days and I think the cosy feeling would soon fade as it will become a bit claustrophobic. I might add the 360 pack but to be honest I’m not sure what some of it does and Google is not much help.
I watched a review the other day that a guy worked out you would need to cover 80k to get the money back from a heat pump so it would not be worth it for most. Based on the average price of a heat pump, UK weather and typical electricity prices.
Motability’s push to EVs could be good in the long term. For those who can’t currently charge at home, solutions need to be found. Research for these solutions need funding and testing. It may be possible that Motability putting its weight into EV charging could well advance the solutions much quicker than almost anyone else.
In the short term this is going to cause problems though. Not only for those who don’t want to transition to EVs but for those unable due to an inability to charge at home. It’s widely understood that charging at home makes a massive saving for EVs over every other form of transport. Once you’re regularly charging publicly the financial equation doesn’t work. Unless Motability put their influence behind convincing suppliers that public charging is unaffordable and the current Motability solution of a BP Pulse card isn’t enough to make a jot of difference.
Personally, I find EVs a perfect choice, the ease of driving with a single pedal plus the convenience of charging at home are huge benefits to me. That doesn’t mean that I expect everyone to fall in line and buy one, nor that personal choice should be punished which is where some of these AP rises for ICE seems to be going.
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Let’s see what i had on my list.
Skoda Kamiq Monte Carlo – Doubled in price
Honda ZR-V Advance – £1000 more expensive
Ford Puma and Kuga – Increased in price
Mazda CX-5 Exclusive Line with DAP – Stayed the same
Renault Austral Iconic – Stayed the same
Car History:
Ford Fiesta
Vauxhall Astra Mk6
Mazda 3
BMW 2 Series Coupe
Mercedes A Class
Vauxhall Astra Mk8 (Lease ended early)
Renault AustralMy next vehicle will be a full EV
Oscarmax, may I ask if that is purely your own personal choice?
Or do you feel you are being ‘priced into’ going EV or even coerced or pressured into getting an EV by Motability’s constant barrage of pro-EV publicity (and their now obvious pro-EV pricing)?
Personally, I do have some concerns that Motability customers, who may not be fully cognisant, (I am not say you are, but in general) or maybe without full mental capacity, or even financially vulnerable may feel somewhat pressured into going EV, due to Motability’s current pro-policies and pricing, even if that is not the optimal mobility solution for the particular customer at the moment (ie cannot charge at home etc).
I would not be confident that Motability trained sales staff at dealerships (no doubt also under pressure to shift EV’s – as per recent/current pricing and offers and the VEZ scheme) would offer truly impartial advice on the best motoring solution for the customer.
So, should Motability themselves be doing more to ensure customers, particularly vulnerable and financially vulnerable customers get the correct type of vehicle, as opposed to pro-actively throwing the EV route upon them by such as attractive pricing/advertising?
One for ongoing debate no doubt.
Exactly. I can’t get a home charger, I’m in a terraced house with no off-street parking.
I trialled an Electric Kia Niro last year. It was nice to drive etc., but the lead was too heavy for me, I’ve no power in my hands and arms to lift and plug the leads in.
Everywhere I looked was charging different prices. If I wanted to charge at a cheaper rate overnight, the charger was nowhere near my house.
I have a disabled bay right outside my house due to mobility issues. An electric charger 3 streets away is of no use.
I chose the Qashqai epower Tekna. I’ve been driving it for a week. I chose it precisely because it’s a hybrid without any charging issues and no leads to plug in.
I’m not sure electric, as it is now, will be the ultimate solution anyway. Things change rapidly.
Will see what’s on offer in 2027, (?? depending on health), what changes are made, monitor the AP costs at the time, and start saving all my “silver” change.
Thanks for all the help Big dave n Kezo you have saved me lots . Called in dealers evans halshaw on sat . They had stock in of the PHEV Kuga black edition. Total AP £1845 nice . had to pay extra £150 for spare . Dealer was unaware that there was a £1300 discount on PHEV till 31st march! The Knowledge on the Forum is fantastic far outweighs the dealers . Thanks once again and good luck with your own searches. One final question – does the motability car insurance give you 3rd party indemnity if I drive other cars?
The AP’s on Audis are still very high for the average person to fork out . You can get a Q3 or Q4 for the same price… £4K , I remember the days when a Q2 was £749 AP for a diesel automatic and now it’s over £1,500
I’m fairly sure the insurance is set for Motability with up to 3 named drivers. As Motability are the insured party, you are not covered for a 3rd party vehicle. You would need temporary insurance.
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Well, looks like I may be staying put with the enyaq, I am tempted by the e3008, but the scenic and ioniq6 which were possibles are still too much in comparison with the new lower AP on the enyaq. If the dealer won’t drop the AP on the enyaq I’ll walk away but he’s done it in the past for me and a couple times for phaedra so I don’t think that’ll be an issue.
My only other thoughts were the Smart#1 and Volvo EX30 as I have been thinking I use the wheelchair so rarely now it doesn’t need a permanent slot in the boot (and I’m almost always alone in the car) but the Volvo is too expensive and my wife really doesn’t like the Smart (although she HAS said it’s up to me – we all know what that really means!!!)
"Man is born in freedom, but he soon becomes a slave, in cages of convention, from the cradle, to the grave."
As we all know that the Motability website is always notoriously unreliable on the first day of each quarter (often there are errors and omissions), and takes a day or two to settle down, if anyone comes across any more manufacturer Motability price lists I’d be grateful if they could continue to post them on this thread. Thanks.
My next vehicle will be a full EV
Oscarmax, may I ask if that is purely your own personal choice? Or do you feel you are being ‘priced into’ going EV or even coerced or pressured into getting an EV by Motability’s constant barrage of pro-EV publicity (and their now obvious pro-EV pricing)? Personally, I do have some concerns that Motability customers, who may not be fully cognisant, (I am not say you are, but in general) or maybe without full mental capacity, or even financially vulnerable may feel somewhat pressured into going EV, due to Motability’s current pro-policies and pricing, even if that is not the optimal mobility solution for the particular customer at the moment (ie cannot charge at home etc). I would not be confident that Motability trained sales staff at dealerships (no doubt also under pressure to shift EV’s – as per recent/current pricing and offers and the VEZ scheme) would offer truly impartial advice on the best motoring solution for the customer. So, should Motability themselves be doing more to ensure customers, particularly vulnerable and financially vulnerable customers get the correct type of vehicle, as opposed to pro-actively throwing the EV route upon them by such as attractive pricing/advertising? One for ongoing debate no doubt.
Excellent post BD!
I see that the Toyota RAV4 Plugin-hybrid is on the scheme BUT AP £8000 – no way I can afford that even if I inckudecthe NCB and GCB – disappointed.
Hi, been reading for a few months. Had to post about the EV push. I’m pretty sure the motivation is purely financial. The EV market is a bit of a horror show right now, particularly at the top and bottom, the mid-range cars, whilst still being heavily discounted, don’t seem in as bad a shape.
Couple of examples lifted from Autotrader.
The E208 with a list of £32k can be bought from Peugeot brand new for less than £20k.
Citroen e-C4 also £32k, also available under or around £20k.
Corsa-E £32k >>>>£22k
Even the Ioniq 5 (77kwh) with a list of £50k is discounted almost £10k.
Motability is still almost always going to give the best deal, but some of the EV cars might not be the bargain they first appear.
My next vehicle will be a full EV
Oscarmax, may I ask if that is purely your own personal choice? Or do you feel you are being ‘priced into’ going EV or even coerced or pressured into getting an EV by Motability’s constant barrage of pro-EV publicity (and their now obvious pro-EV pricing)? Personally, I do have some concerns that Motability customers, who may not be fully cognisant, (I am not say you are, but in general) or maybe without full mental capacity, or even financially vulnerable may feel somewhat pressured into going EV, due to Motability’s current pro-policies and pricing, even if that is not the optimal mobility solution for the particular customer at the moment (ie cannot charge at home etc). I would not be confident that Motability trained sales staff at dealerships (no doubt also under pressure to shift EV’s – as per recent/current pricing and offers and the VEZ scheme) would offer truly impartial advice on the best motoring solution for the customer. So, should Motability themselves be doing more to ensure customers, particularly vulnerable and financially vulnerable customers get the correct type of vehicle, as opposed to pro-actively throwing the EV route upon them by such as attractive pricing/advertising? One for ongoing debate no doubt.
Great post and just about reflects exactly how I am feeling at the minute!
An EV vehicle is just not suitable for me and my needs, yet I feel like I am being forced to accept that route or be financially punished if I choose to stay on the Motability scheme. I am just coming to the end of my second (extended) lease with Motability and am now having to seriously look at buying a private vehicle, along with the cost of getting it adapted, the hassle of finding an insurer and and also sorting out breakdown cover simply because Motability fail to consider their customers needs before some corporate policy that EV is best!
My next vehicle will be a full EV
Oscarmax, may I ask if that is purely your own personal choice? Or do you feel you are being ‘priced into’ going EV or even coerced or pressured into getting an EV by Motability’s constant barrage of pro-EV publicity (and their now obvious pro-EV pricing)? Personally, I do have some concerns that Motability customers, who may not be fully cognisant, (I am not say you are, but in general) or maybe without full mental capacity, or even financially vulnerable may feel somewhat pressured into going EV, due to Motability’s current pro-policies and pricing, even if that is not the optimal mobility solution for the particular customer at the moment (ie cannot charge at home etc). I would not be confident that Motability trained sales staff at dealerships (no doubt also under pressure to shift EV’s – as per recent/current pricing and offers and the VEZ scheme) would offer truly impartial advice on the best motoring solution for the customer. So, should Motability themselves be doing more to ensure customers, particularly vulnerable and financially vulnerable customers get the correct type of vehicle, as opposed to pro-actively throwing the EV route upon them by such as attractive pricing/advertising? One for ongoing debate no doubt.
Love this!!
There are concerns about just how much EVs are being discounted while ICE and hybrids are going the other way. From personal experience I can safely say that there are a lot of sales people who have no idea about the realities of living with an EV including how they drive/charge, what realistic range looks like or how possible it is to charge a car for certain disabled people. I can struggle with the rapid charging cables and I’ve two good arms and can stand, if you are struggling with any of the above, you may well need assistance simply plugging the car in.
The reality of disabled people with an EV is very different to an affluent business type person with Salary Sacrifice, home and work charging and all 4 limbs functioning. Paying for public charging could well be a significantly bigger struggle than putting a tenner’s worth of petrol in a small car. Especially as range has been made a huge thing by the media.
While there are benefits for those who choose and are able to go electric, I wholeheartedly agree that the choice should reflect the realities of the customer base Motability serves.
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I was worried I made the wrong (and rather quick) decision to place an order for a ZRV on the 18th, but relieved.
I haven’t seen it mentioned, but my issue with full electric is the lack of accessibility at the public chargers. I’m limited to where I can go – Typically my local Tesco and shopping centre because they’re both flat and easy for my wheelchair. Yet even these would cause an issue with charging, and access to the boot for the wheelchair because there’s no “standard” for charge cable length and charge port location.
We can choose multiple options when ordering our made to order cars, but why can’t we choose where the charger port is?
Why can’t we have multiple charge port locations?
My next vehicle will be a full EV
Oscarmax, may I ask if that is purely your own personal choice? Or do you feel you are being ‘priced into’ going EV or even coerced or pressured into getting an EV by Motability’s constant barrage of pro-EV publicity (and their now obvious pro-EV pricing)? Personally, I do have some concerns that Motability customers, who may not be fully cognisant, (I am not say you are, but in general) or maybe without full mental capacity, or even financially vulnerable may feel somewhat pressured into going EV, due to Motability’s current pro-policies and pricing, even if that is not the optimal mobility solution for the particular customer at the moment (ie cannot charge at home etc). I would not be confident that Motability trained sales staff at dealerships (no doubt also under pressure to shift EV’s – as per recent/current pricing and offers and the VEZ scheme) would offer truly impartial advice on the best motoring solution for the customer. So, should Motability themselves be doing more to ensure customers, particularly vulnerable and financially vulnerable customers get the correct type of vehicle, as opposed to pro-actively throwing the EV route upon them by such as attractive pricing/advertising? One for ongoing debate no doubt.
Yes I am being pressurised, I am quite miffed I paid £6,999 AP for my current Suzuki Across PHEV, at the time I was more than happy even when the AP dropped by £1700 the following quarter (I put that down to poor timing) as I always intended in extending the lease by 2 years, now they are only allowing a maximum of 6 months ?
Ideally I would like a similar PHEV like the Suzuki Across with a realistic AP, I can see PHEV and hybrids AP remaining high, whilst the AP for a decent EV is dropping quite dramatically, so yes I am being pushed it an EV or leave the scheme and purchase our next vehicle outside the scheme.
I am not a happy teddy bear, I am now a bit disappointed with scheme
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally say the wrong thing.
I see that the Toyota RAV4 Plugin-hybrid is on the scheme BUT AP £8000 – no way I can afford that even if I inckudecthe NCB and GCB – disappointed.
The Suzuki Across is the same car, built in the same factory but to a higher spec model for £3000 less.
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally say the wrong thing.
Just opened Baileys
Have you ordered?
Well I ordered the new Clio 145 Esprit Alpine full hybrid at the end of January. The AP has gone up £100 in the new quarter, so not too bad. Not a fortune difference of course but the hundred quid is better off in my pocket than someone else’s of course!
Well I ordered the new Clio 145 Esprit Alpine full hybrid at the end of January. The AP has gone up £100 in the new quarter, so not too bad. Not a fortune difference of course but the hundred quid is better off in my pocket than someone else’s of course!
it is indeed Solent as you know I’ve loved my Chr well the new model was £2495 now £1545 and another £750 off I’m ordering in morning in metallic silver no heated seats but everything else I’m very happy
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