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Oscarmax people blame the government for the high number of deaths and infections in the UK but the public must share an equal amount of the blame. Of course you can follow all the measures introduced and still catch it but your far less likely. Nobody deserves to get it but if you don’t follow the guidelines you can’t blame anyone else.
Neighbour has their pregnant daughter and her 2 children staying with them at the moment, I was a little surprised to see their son and family turn up yesterday evening and enter the house, then totally gobsmacked when their other daughter and partner pulled up and went inside. PS. We are in tier 3.
@wmcforum I rest my case, drop the mike.
“mic” predictive text.
I wan it on the daily mail, they have also said that the mass testing in Liverpool is proving to be unsafe as they missed half of the infectious cases and what’s more worrying is the departments of health admits it’s use of swabs is “outside the instructions for use”
the daily Mail eh.
Polymerase chain reaction (PCR) tests currently used to detect SARS-CoV-2 have technical limitations as they cannot distinguish whether the virus in the patient is alive or dead. The researchers analyzed 25 studies on PCR tests and found that such tests can suggest people are infected even after their bodies’ immune system has already fought off the coronavirus because these tests only provide a ‘yes’ or ‘no’ as to whether the virus material is in the body. This means such people would test positive even though the coronavirus in their bodies may be harmless and non-infectious.
“After about day eight, you can still find the RNA fragments,” Prof Heneghan told BBC Radio 4’s Today program. “Some studies have reported up to 70 days that you intermittently shed. You can understand the importance of this, because what you want to do is find those with active infection and not those with the RNA fragments.”
Now the newer quicker lateral flow test are not picking up cases they saying that some pcr test also taken are saying they have covid, is it dead virus they finding, even in high viral amounts.
It’s alot like if an alcohol test only tested for alcohol and not how many micrograms it would be useless to tell you how much one has in their system even a small trace would have you banned likewise with the pcr tests and i personally think there main problem is cases are dropping when they use the LFT tests and that does not suit the narrative of locking us all down and inforcing more and more restrictions.
The more you test using the pcr the more cases you will detect.
Safety and efficacy of the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccine (AZD1222) against SARS-CoV-2: an interim analysis of four randomised controlled trials in Brazil, South Africa, and the UK
https://marlin-prod.literatumonline.com/pb-assets/Lancet/pdfs/S0140673620326611.pdf
“France’s Sanofi and Britain’s GSK said Friday their Covid-19 vaccines will not be ready until the end of 2021, after interim results showed a low immune response in older adults.” France 24
In October 2019 ONS report 43,257 people died in England.
In October 2020 ONS report that 43,265 people died in England.
8 more than last year.
Source: Age standardised morality rates report.
Just leaving this out there..
You can make stats see what you want to see, we had a 3/4 month total lockdown. Look at excess deaths for the USA, who have had no real lockdown.
Wigwam, As you know, there were no national lockdowns, under the trump administration, each state implemented its own stay at home orders, and they were often for very short periods of time. Not all states had a lockdown. (11), Apart from New York, and now Calfifornia going back into a lockdown, restrictions were lifted very quickly.
Source Wikipedia.
Not looking for an argument, as there are many factors and differences to take into account.
Usa total cases 16,884,676 total deaths 307,635 uk total cases 1,869,666 total deaths 64,402
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?
We could talk about the total recovered but the uk and nhs do not release those figures like other countries do. Also the people who had covid but did not know or did not let the authorities know are not counted. Only known cases are counted. The data don’t lie per population one of the highest death rates is in belgium just over 1500 per million people and the uk is 946 per million so 946 divided by 1 million = 0.000946
1500 /1m = 0.0015 and the usa rate is 927 per 1,000,000 = 0.000927
So we talking not a huge difference between the two just like the cases per 100k have risen from 50 to 500 cases per 100k the rise is small and all this shutting stuff down is not helping at all and look london is on the rise again after lockdown so is wales and it takes 2 weeks to filter through or so they say. Masks don’t seem to work either and stop the spread.
Plus the capacity of the nhs has been reduced due to covid restrictions from levels last year by 15k beds and we talk about the nhs being overun every year gone by and in the future as it is the fact of nature that these problems arise in our winter time, yet if you look at sweden they only have 742 per 1m people and no lockdown there or treatiing peoples lives like a tap they the goverment and sage can turn on and off when they please.
Now we got a new strain or so they say, just to scare us all more. I tell you what is scary knowing that your kid or your loved one could go to sleep in bed or worse never to wake up again or just gone in a blink of an eye and no warnings and nothing anyone can do, or the many cancer patients not getting the treatment they require. which there more death from a day than covid, covid is way down the list.
like the recent loss of a 27 year old father of two who just lost his fight to cancer, how many more will die becuse of covid not of it or with it.. to save the few who sadly their prognosis would not be good if they had a stroke for example and probally99.99% it would mean a dnr putting on them by the same medical experts who wanna save everyone from covid.
Who won’t let parents take there child out of the hospital for new treatments and somewhere else for that treatment, why because they don’t want to look bad if it works so that child is condemned to death and they even get a court order to stop it happening, this is the nhs as well. For all it’s good it is flawed my those at the top of the chain not the nurses or most doctor’s but those in the trusts.
Hang on Rox, your figures don’t mean much, let me show you
946 deaths per million people is 0.0946% (just under 0.1%… or 1 in 1000 people SO FAR), but that’s not the figure for how many people who caught this coronovirus then went on to die from it, that figure was first thought to be around 1.3 per hundred (1.3%) but with some small advances in medical care 0.7 per hundred (0.7%). Remember that 10,000 people per million = 1%.
Now because we also have people who get infected but show no symptoms & who are never diagnosed, we can further guess at lower figures for the deaths, and with more testing we’ll get the figure down some more.
From the 0.7 to 1.3% death rate we could go further as was done early on & predict that about 10% of the population has had COVID so far, but throw in the asymptomatic people & it’ll be a lot more.
What we can tell from this is that each successive peak in infections will have a shallower slope IF people retain immunity. The current rise here in the UK has a much shallower slope than the rise back in March, and that’s a combination of people who are likely now immune, plus, measures such as the extra hand washing, masks, etc., making it more difficult for the virus to find new people to infect.
But, for every person who dies from COVID there are others who are damaged & survive disabled.
The figures don’t mean much but they are facts and also include the recovery rate. No data is available for cases that have caused damage & make ppl survive disabled from the covid disease.
So are many people from car accidents like myself who have been damaged & disabled, when i was 9 years old as a car driven by a human decided to run a red light, when i was almost at the otherside of the crossing while the the green man was on. Should we ban cars simply because of the fact they can harm people. No
Plus taking the figures worldwide like the ones i posted gives you a bigger picture than just in the uk alone if it is afterall a global pandemic and you can see clearly see the data on the link i gave, which is most likely the highest figure.
0.01% then that means 99.99% The big problem is the cases are so low per capita that the false postive rate of the test is probally higher also than the actual infections and is what is causing all the panic and the nhs being overun is just a joke imo. 15k less beds than last year. every year it’s under extreme pressure but we need to protect it and life must be put on hold for everyone to save my mum.. I don’t agree withthat.
Some experts also suggest 1/3 of people could have a natural immunity from previous corrona viruses as well and won’t get the covid disease. just like how they say the vaccinne could protect you from the new strains also and cow poxs stops you getting small pox. Having mers or sars could most likely protect you from covid.
Clearly the lockdown 2.0 did nothing to stop the spread and neither did the original lockdown the warmer weather and more uv rays did that imo.. like in the southern hemisphere is in summer now. These viruses are seasonal. Yet pretty much all of europe will be in full lockdown again and they did not plan for it at all the seasonal outbreak of bugs, the overrunning of the nhs knowing covid was about as well..
My mum has not recovered from the illnesses she had a few years ago fully when she got the flu on top of a bad cold even though she has the flu jab, and it led to her having pneumonia and sepsis and the bad Septic shock that she had has close to a 50 percent mortality rate, according to the Mayo Clinic.
Having a case of severe sepsis increases your risk of a future infection. This is why we have not seen her this year at all. Not because of covid but because any cold or flu could really effect her and she needs an op on her hands but they won’t do it as her lungs are too damaged. Last xmas i was i’ll with a cold from hell and we was due to visit on boxing day but we cancelled. Then the mrs and the kids had another cold from school. Then i got real i’ll again another bug took a good few weeks until i was back on my feet and then they both got something and had a bad cough that did not do away for a few weeks and had to visit the doctor (in our area many believe it was covid in late jan / early feb).
So by march we had not even got around to taking the xmas tree down. but thats kinda normal when you have two kids at different schools and our kids are still at school, still bringing bugs back and last week all years 1-3 was not allowed in due to one case, a teacher i believe. Nothing can stop it happening. Eventually my mum will get ill from something and it may kill her, but thats life and it’s not covid related, thats just one of hundreds that we humans will never eradicate, no matter how hard we try all it will do is reduce our natural immunity, for such a small amount. 0.01% we giving up way to much even if it’s as much as a 2.3% chance if you get the disease the other tolls on the young especailly is not worth it imo. it like using a sledge hammer to crack a nut.
The figures don’t mean much but they are facts and also include the recovery rate.
0.01% then that means 99.99%
But your figures aren’t facts at all, just miscalculations, it’s not 0.01% it’s 0.1%, 10x as many, and eventually would be over 1%, 100x as many if allowed to move throughout the population. I’m just pointing out that your calculations are wrong & need to be checked because you’re putting out figures that are simply incorrect or deliberate lies. Please check your figures carefully.
0.1% / 99.90% is a huge difference to 0.1 / 99.99% that was an honest error.
The per 100k or 1m per capita which ever is used is exactly that to make you think the difference is huge like between 50 cases per 100k or 500 cases per 100k the difference is not as big as they trying to makeout. that is my point.. who’s putting out info thats wrong. you have no clue at all.. 10X as many is very misleading also, to one decimal place.
50/100k = 0.0005
500/100k = 0.005
Just like with the R rate it don’t apply to the real world, just as you cannot dig half a hole, you cannot infect half a person or less than a whole person, so if R drops below 1 then there is no infections in reality..
When you don’t have answers you use the same approach over and over and say people should stop lieing when you miss the point totally and it seems do not to want to listen or understand. imo thats your loss.. The data don’t lie 3% max global deaths from over 52m closed cases(that they knew of) and many was with covid not of covid So the likelyhood is the figure is alot lower than 3%. If my own mother was to get covid she would die but not from covid from a pre- existing condition and only in the uk around 339 ppl have died under a certain again and with no pre-existing conditions and i bet you say that’s not true either. even though an mp said it in parlement.
0.1% / 99.90% is a huge difference to 0.1 / 99.99% that was an honest error. The per 100k or 1m per capita which ever is used is exactly that to make you think the difference is huge like between 50 cases per 100k or 500 cases per 100k the difference is not as big as they trying to makeout. that is my point.. who’s putting out info thats wrong. you have no clue at all.. 10X as many is very misleading also, to one decimal place. 50/100k = 0.0005 500/100k = 0.005 Just like with the R rate it don’t apply to the real world, just as you cannot dig half a hole, you cannot infect half a person or less than a whole person, so if R drops below 1 then there is no infections in reality.. When you don’t have answers you use the same approach over and over and say people should stop lieing when you miss the point totally and it seems do not to want to listen or understand. imo thats your loss.. The data don’t lie 3% max global deaths from over 52m closed cases(that they knew of) and many was with covid not of covid So the likelyhood is the figure is alot lower than 3%. If my own mother was to get covid she would die but not from covid from a pre- existing condition and only in the uk around 339 ppl have died under a certain again and with no pre-existing conditions and i bet you say that’s not true either. even though an mp said it in parlement.
50/100k = 50/100000 = 0.05% = 1 in 2000
500/100k = 500/100000 = 0.5% = 1 in 200
I think it’s your maths that’s gone wonky is all.
I will be having my first vaccination to protect against Covid 19 on 17/12/20 (tomorrow) and feel so grateful to have the opportunity. Despite what some of the “Trumps” of this world say between 2 and 3 million lives are saved each year as a result of vaccinations worldwide.
The risks of serious side effects from vaccination on the other hand, and I bow to gothitjulie’s superior knowledge on this matter, are miniscule. Everyone has a right to their views and to voice those views, but as we have seen in the USA denial of facts and downright lies can and do lead to extra tragic loss of life.
I dont like needles either, who does lol, but i will be there in the line when they organise my appointment.
Daf if its not too impolite to ask, how come you are getting it so soon?
The only person who got all his work done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe.
Anything i post over three lines long please assume it is an article lol.
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