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Hi Brydo,
Not impolite at all my friend. I drive ambulances for a living and as we are classed as front line i was asked to turn up for the vaccine. The top up is booked in for 4 weeks later. Not a great fan of needles either! It will be a big relief as Mrs Daf is not in the best of health and the thought of passing Covid on to her fills me with dread.
ha ha ha Now my maths is wrong, get a grip my maths is never wrong, you surely mean 10 in 2000 and 1 in 2000 and they are actual recorded cases not deaths. You got to use a common denominator to compare numbers or it is useless info.
1 in 200 what a joke.. it’s 10 in 2000 clearly…… yet you try to say my maths is shady.. maybe get a calculator out and check again.
@gothitjulie said50/100k = 50/100000 = 0.05% = 1 in 2000
500/100k = 500/100000 = 0.5% = 1 in 200
I think it’s your maths that’s gone wonky is all.
surprise surprise i was correct.. unless google and my phone are both wrong also.
ha ha ha Now my maths is wrong, get a grip my maths is never wrong, you surely mean 10 in 2000 and 1 in 2000 and they are actual recorded cases not deaths. You got to use a common denominator to compare numbers or it is useless info. 1 in 200 what a joke.. it’s 10 in 2000 clearly…… yet you try to say my maths is shady.. maybe get a calculator out and check again. @gothitjulie said 50/100k = 50/100000 = 0.05% = 1 in 2000 500/100k = 500/100000 = 0.5% = 1 in 200 I think it’s your maths that’s gone wonky is all.
surprise surprise i was correct.. unless google and my phone are both wrong also.And to get a percentage you must then multiply those figures by 100…. as in “per centage”
I did not list it as a % as the data does not list it in terms of percentages, or the cat would be out of the bag. Neither do goverments or the bbc etc etc but in just listing the rates per whatever they trying to highlight to us all, how much the rates have grown, when have they really grown that much at all..% wise. I say they have not and imo are infact misleading.
Also maybe because of more testing the false postive rate has also grown as well as detecting more cases than in the the first so called wav, because they testing more tells us nothing at all. but lets not forget the nhs has 15k less general beds since 2010 and 15k less beds than this time last year due to covid measures.
The current rate of operational false-positive swab tests in the UK is unknown; preliminary estimates show it could be somewhere between 0·8% and 4·0%
This is why asking people to get a test who do not have symptoms of coronavirus could be a big problem as they may have dead virus and still test positive for up to 70 days data and experts suggest.
Also you was the one who did not put your workings out down, and the one who started talking about %’s not me.. so who is misleading people if you had said that in the beginning, maybe we could have had a disscussion or debated it, but no you do not want that. Instead you tryed to dismiss the maths. When infact i think you’ve actually proved me right and clearly must have tunnel vision an not peripheral vision and as you cannot dismiss the data that clearly shows you up to be very biased to one view indeed.
0.5% per whatever is a very small % imo it’s less than 1% infact it’s 50% less than 1% So we can all see how maths put in a certain way can be misleading or omitting data or missing steps altogether.
fyo
The easy way to multiply by 10, 100, 1000 etc is to move the decimal point to the right. Look at the number of 0’s to see how many places to move the point. (e.g. x10 move 1 place, x100 move 2 places, x1000 move 3 places etc.) to divide move to the left.
This is the last i will say on this matter as it is clear to me, you don’t want to listen to any view outside your tunnel.
Hi daf thanks for that info.
How did/do you feel now you have had it?
I would like to thank you for putting yourself in danger doing an essential job for the benefit of all of us.
Thank you!
Please keep us updated with any info you have on the vaccine distribution.
British American Tobacco wins approval to test Covid vaccine on humans
British American Tobacco has moved a step closer to producing a vaccine for coronavirus using tobacco plants, as it won approval in the US to begin testing on humans.
The company behind cigarette brands including Lucky Strike, Rothmans and Benson & Hedges said the US Food & Drug Administration had given it clearance to begin a clinical study with adult volunteers.
While large pharmaceutical companies are already producing vaccines, BAT believes its own can be produced in six weeks, compared with the several months it takes using conventional methods.
This, the company claims, is because of proprietary technology that allows elements of the vaccine to gather quickly on tobacco plants.
BAT also says its vaccine is stable at room temperature, unlike the Pfizer/BioNTech jab being administered in the UK, which must be stored and transported at about -70C.
The vaccine has been developed by BAT’s biotechnology division, Kentucky BioProcessing (KBP), which has previously worked on a treatment for Ebola and is also developing a seasonal flu vaccine.
BAT said KBP had cloned a portion of the genetic sequence of coronavirus and developed a potential antigen, which is then inserted into tobacco plants for reproduction.
KBP, which is based in Owensboro, Kentucky, says it can turn tobacco plants into “bio-manufacturing factories” capable of producing proteins they would not otherwise produce.
Up to 3m can be grown, harvested and processed within six weeks, meaning the relevant proteins are produced faster than traditional methods, which KBP said could take months.
The company, which was bought by BAT in 2014, says it can also temporarily encode tobacco plants with the genetic instructions to produce specific target proteins.
Dr David O’Reilly, BAT’s director of scientific research, said: “Moving into human trials with both our Covid-19 and seasonal flu vaccine candidates is a significant milestone and reflects our considerable efforts to accelerate the development of our emerging biologicals portfolio.
“It is our unique plant-based vaccine technology, which acts as a fast, efficient host for the production of antigens for a variety of diseases, that has enabled us to make this progress and respond to the urgent global need for safe and effective treatments and vaccines.”
BAT’s vaccine remains some way behind those being produced by large drug companies such as Pfizer, which is administering doses in the UK and US, with AstraZeneca and Moderna not far behind.
But if it can produce doses quickly and in a stable format, it could aid a global vaccination process likely to last years, as well as burnishing the reputation of a company more used to fielding criticism for damaging people’s health.
Brydo
A pleasure mate all part of the job.
Had the jab today, just like having the Flu jab. Was a bit worried when the nurse administering the jab told me I would have to drink a pint of antifreeze before having the jab! Trust me to pick a nurse with a weird sense of humour.
As I mentioned have to go for a top up jab in 4 weeks time so will keep you up to date.
rox
A piece of advice, when in a hole stop digging.
That would be great daf ?
So in new Tier 4 regulations, my wife, who is Clinically Extremely Vulnerable (CEV), must stay at home except for exercise and medical appts. But I am not CEV and am encouraged to go out to work, travel on public etc. So I can be infected with the virus and give it to her when I get home. Ah, the personal touch. How thoughtful of our government to give us such a caring, sharing way of killing ourselves. Lucky I do not go out to work, nor use public transport then!
Bearing some good news…
COVID immunity lasts at least eight months, new data reveals
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-12-covid-immunity-months-reveals.html
This means that if your immune system is functioning normally & you’ve already had COVID, you should have some immunity for a fair amount of time via B cells, target spike (used to enter cells) & nucleocapsid protein (used to assemble the virus).
That IS good news Julie.
Hopefully a once a year jab will be sufficient for most of us.
Memory B Cells can remain active for decades. Obviously we’ll not know if the ones for COVID remain active until those decades have come & gone.
Studies find having COVID-19 may protect against reinfection
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-12-covid-reinfection.html
Oxford vaccine to be rolled out first week in January.
Oxford vaccine to be rolled out first week in January.
Can’t come quickly enough, next few weeks and months are going to be horrible.
But they will say that’s not why we having lockdowns in the uk, we having lockdowns to save the nhs and stop it getting overrun. Even those stats are lower than last years figures, as quoted in a bbc article.
Also beds are 15k less this year than last year.. and lets not forget the 80/90k staff in ther nhs that was off sick..
A 50% increase from 10 admissisons lets say? (for example sake) that actually need a bed is only 20 people.. but it seems alot because they see a 50% increase in admissions and it’s time to panic the public and they changed how they was calculated, now it seems admissions means those that came threw the door and there are no figures for those that went backout threw that same door pretty quickly and did not need a bed.. and it seems some on here just want to dismiss the facts and say people are lieing and causing people to die for doing so.. pointing out the facts.
The fact is alot of people die everyday and this year is one of those years where the rate is higher than other recent years and how many of the excess deaths are from lockdowns, they do not know. But i guess we will findout later and imo it will be more than directly from covid. not with covid. those without underlying conditions that at some point would die from that condition like terminal cancer for example.. and just happened to have a postive test within 28days of dying and how many were already in hospital or in na end of life care home etc etc.. 50% of all deaths in belguim was in car homes.
Plus the nightingale in london at the excel has dissappeared, just when it’s needed. but is it needed (was it ever needed) that is the question..
8 months they have had to train more staff or plan for this (pandemic) winter but did nothing. Imo it’s not the goverment fault, it’s the nhs and those high up not on the frontlines and sage as they can just say we overrun and a lockdown will happen and they ok as they still get paid and have a job, unlike the many others in other sectors.
Did you know a gp will will get £12.50 for each injection given and they have a target of 1000 per week. thats £12500 a week and thats 50k every four weeks.
Oxford vaccine approved fantastic news
Oxford vaccine approved, we can expect to see real movement in the coming weeks. It looks like it will be administered as a “full dose full dose” vaccination rather than “half dose full dose”. Another interesting point is that they reckon the second dose should be administered after at least four weeks and possibly three months as there is evidence the vaccine is more effective, long term, if the gap between first and second jab is longer.
It will take a few months but hopefully this is the beginning of a return to “normal” life. I would like to say a big thanks to all of those who made this vaccine possible.
If you get the vaccine please tell us as apart from “daf” on this forum I have not heard of anyone who has received it and I have a surgeon, a doctor, a nurse and two scientists who work for Astrazeneka in my extended family none of who have had the vaccine.
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