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Some extreme AP rises that do not make sense. Probably some of these prices are placeholders for the interim. As always at new quarter time it takes a couple of weeks before the prices are finalised and cars added to the scheme. Give it a couple of weeks, be positive people!!
God loves an optimist – although I don’t ever recall a past period where there have been substantial downward movements in APs a few weeks after the new quarter!
I’ve been limiting myself to EVs only but I’ve just noticed the BMW Xdrive 25e plug in hybrid as been included. AP still expensive but a lot better than some EVs . I had the old X1 2.0 diesel for four years and I enjoyed it and didn’t want to change. Anybody know what the battery range is ? BMW reckon about 50.
Im afraid that I can’t answer your question about the real world EV range, but just in case you weren’t aware the new model X1 has a 3 cylinder 1.5 litre engine and not the brilliant 4 cylinder 2.0 units that we both had in our previous generation X1’s. To get a 2.0 engine you now need the ‘23’ designated models, which are unfortunately not on Motability.
1.5l 3 pot mated to 14.2kW net battery, AWD (electric motor on rear axle) WLTP c52 miles, but bearing in mind the battery really isn’t much larger than the Tucson’s 13.8kW WLTP 43 miles. Perhaps, most alarming, is the loss of the i drive controller on anything under 3 series!
and I get about 34 miles out of the Tucson, on a good day in the summer with the wind behind me 😂
I’ve been limiting myself to EVs only but I’ve just noticed the BMW Xdrive 25e plug in hybrid as been included. AP still expensive but a lot better than some EVs . I had the old X1 2.0 diesel for four years and I enjoyed it and didn’t want to change. Anybody know what the battery range is ? BMW reckon about 50.
Im afraid that I can’t answer your question about the real world EV range, but just in case you weren’t aware the new model X1 has a 3 cylinder 1.5 litre engine and not the brilliant 4 cylinder 2.0 units that we both had in our previous generation X1’s. To get a 2.0 engine you now need the ‘23’ designated models, which are unfortunately not on Motability.
I can imagine the conversation at the fast charger between a private lease and a motability customer who both are driving an Ioniq 6 that they got last month. One pays £330 a month with £1500 down and the other put £4k down and pays over £400 a month, one had to pay for a home charger and insurance, the other does not.
Given that Motability benefit from 20% VAT exemption on the purchase and will also get massive discounts due to their bulk buying power, neither of which a private customer benefits from, I’m surprised that the prices are as close as that. I would expect the gap to be significantly more.
You are not allowed to authorise work yourself. Only Motability can do that. The dealer should know this!
Also think it’s better for Motability to keep any grant given and funnel towards providing grants for adaptations and WAV’s.
It doesn’t work like that. Motability don’t receive the grant. The winners in this case are the manufacturers!
If the government EV grant has been applied to the car to make them cheaper to Motability, can anyone explain why so many AP’s have gone through the roof?
As a few of us said at the time, it was never going to happen that APs would fall by the full value of the grant. Lease prices are calculated in a very different way to the prices paid by retail customers. You can bet your boots that whilst the grants technically apply to lease cars, manufacturers will have simply reduced the discounts that they were offering out of their own pockets. The exact same thing happened with the Help to Buy scheme. The biggest winners were the house builders!
As for EV prices rising, I can only guess that with EV residual prices showing no sign of improving, the policy of spreading the loss across all cars in the scheme (so that everyone shares the pain, whether they want or can accommodate an EV or not) is no longer sustainable and APs on EVs are having to increase in addition to this.
As always, there will be winners and losers (admittedly mostly losers). I see that the BMW i4 has gone back up to £7,999 (I think it was £5,999 for a while). Sadly no decent BMWs added. Still mostly just the 3 cylinder 1.5 litres which don’t appeal. Thankfully we aren’t due to change for ages!
@Marc I hope that you are happy with your car. Whilst the PHEV version is cheaper to run, I have to say that having to charge it after every use remains a faff even after a year, so at least you won’t have that to deal with!
There have been a couple of occasions when I have forgotten to charge the car. It crossed my mind that if it had been a BEV I would have been in real bother! Like @kezo I put the car into ‘Automatic’ mode on longer journeys so that the limited EV range isn’t used up first. I then make sure that I switch it into EV mode when the remaining miles home equals the remaining EV range (although it never fully matches). However, on a couple of occasions, including yesterday, I forgot to do this, arriving home with 22 miles of EV range remaining and annoyingly having retuned just 34.5 mpg as a result, as the car was driving on petrol only. These are all issues that you don’t have with an ICE car and you won’t have with the self charging hybrid, so you’ve probably made a wise choice.
Did someone say that APs are now searchable up to £15k? Maybe the BMW X5 will join? They do a PHEV one? Just shy of 500 bhp. Put me down for one 🤣
I’m surprised there’s not a threat up yet. Wednesday sees the final new quarter for this year, what are we hoping for? New cars or improved pricing. I’ll start with the ever popular IM5 and 6
Improved pricing? Do you know something that we don’t? We can live in hope, but APs have been on an upward trajectory for 2 years now and I’m not anticipating a reversal, especially with EV residual values still being in free fall.
Whilst I personally don’t buy all the arguments against ID cards, and would have no worries about having one, I do agree that they won’t solve the illegal immigration crisis. Whilst an ID has a photo identity, unlike an NI number, those who work illegally aren’t providing NI numbers anyway, so won’t be providing a digital ID either!
Starmer is clearly panicking, as the public have lost patience with him. He’s over a year in and the problem of illegal immigration has got even worse and they are being trounced by Reform UK in the polls as a result. The ‘one in, one out’ policy is a complete farce (it needs to be renamed 50,000 in, 3 out!). His only bit of good news is that Corbyn can’t get his new party organised, which would split the Labour vote even further!
Anyway, getting back on topic (😂) the problems that VW are facing are being experienced by many other manufacturers as well. Almost all the car companies are lobbying the EU and the U.K. government stressing that the current EV mandates are destined to cripple the industry. What law makers (and some EV enthusiasts) just don’t seem to realise, is that it doesn’t matter what the targets or the laws are, you simply cannot force people to buy a product that they don’t want. Even though we are only in the first few years of the EV mandates, total new car sales have fallen significantly below the levels that they were pre Covid. Consumers are keeping their cars much longer, probably realising what a much better idea that is, with by far the biggest cost of new car ownership being depreciation.
@kdwolf because it’s also often cited by people who claim that these things are an infringement of civil liberties (Big Brother etc).
I don’t understand why people object to ID cards. I’d have no issue whatsoever having one (although the current proposal seems to be that they would only be required to work, and I’m retired). It’s the same with CCTV that some people complain about. If I’m ever the victim of crime I’d be very pleased to be able to support a prosecution with CCTV evidence. If you’ve got nothing to hide and you’re not doing anything dodgy then I can’t see why people would object to any of these things, especially if they prevent fraud and other illegal activities that ultimately us law abiding citizens pay for!
I always keep the old ones @swwchris but, to date, the drill holes have never been in the same places on any two cars, so I have always had to buy new ones 😂
@swwchris If you buy the plates at somewhere like Halfords they will fit them for you. They may make a charge or if you say that you can’t put them on due to your disability you may strike lucky and a Good Samaritan might do it for you free of charge as it’s a 5 minute job.
Yet further evidence of what was discussed this morning on a different thread. No doubt someone will be along soon to say that it’s all made up 🙄
Sorry to hear that you’ve had so many problems. I bought one of my daughters a new i20 Ultimate privately nearly 3 years ago and apart from a couple of minor issues, sorted under warranty, it’s been fault free. It sounds as those yours was a Friday built one!
Can I ask what was done under the warranty? Heated steering wheels are an acquired taste, but I absolutely love mine and would be gutted if I had to say good Ute to the feature.
There was a rattle / vibration coming from the drivers door pocket. Also, one day my daughter couldn’t restart the car after stopping at a supermarket but after leaving it for half an hour she managed to start it. We took it to the dealership and they couldn’t find a fault. Thankfully it hasn’t done it again since (that was over a year ago). Other than that the car has been fault free, as was her previous generation i20 which she had for over 6 years from new.
My last post on this.
I have been a contributor to this forum for many years. During this time there have been several other EV enthusiasts who have tried to shut down debate when I, and others, have offered a view that the mandates are unachievable and dates would have to change. Each time when we have been proved right these posters miraculously disappear and never return to apologise for their ridiculing posts.
The only prediction that Harry Metcalfe makes in the video is that he believes that EV take up will level out at about 50%. I’ve no idea whether that’s going to be proved right or not, but will it ever get to 100%?- absolutely not IMHO for a multitude of reasons that I won’t repeat again here. All the other figures used are industry provided statistics, not ‘made up to suit an argument’ and the press articles shown about sector wide job losses are mostly from trade and financial publications.
Harry Metcalfe was once engaged by Jaguar as a consultant on their new Special Vehicle Operations. That was years ago and he’s not ‘on their payroll’. Like all other motoring journalists (and the press in general) he was extremely critical of their recent brand relaunch. I first became aware of him when another reviewer (in his 30s, so no dinosaur) referred to him as the motoring journalists that other motoring journalists respect. I’ve never heard him referred to as a joke and think that’s a cheap shot.
It’s a great shame (and unique to this forum) that anyone who expresses a view that EV take up won’t be as high as governments hope is brandished ‘anti EV’ and ridiculed. He is certainly not anti-EV. Maybe the doubters should watch his review of the new Renault 5 EV which he raved about. All he is doing is saying what is, to most people (other than governments and those who steadfastly refuse to see the bigger picture) blindingly obvious.
New car sales are at much lower levels now than they were some years ago. EV take up remains low as a percentage of new cars sold (even now just 15% across the EU) and consumers are keeping their cars longer than ever. The average age of cars on U.K. roads is now 10 years old. That’s an average, so for every car that is less than 10 years old, there is one that is greater than 10 years old!
Is it a “fact” that by 2030 it will be impossible to buy an ICE car? No. It’s a target. These targets have moved before and if Europe wants a car industry left they will have to move again. Time will tell but, as before, I predict that those who are most vocal and ridicule those who suggest otherwise won’t still be posting here to eat humble pie when the inevitable happens!
Dear god. Forget about facts and figures, here is a Youtuber vid or an archaic car mag and as evidence for the debate. Trump World is upon us ..lol..
Utter nonsense. Harry Metcalffe is one of the most respected motoring journalists, even by other motoring journalists. There are countless facts and figures in the video, along with loads of articles about job losses across the motoring sector due to EV mandates which aren’t reflecting consumer demand. Keep your blinkers on if you wish though.
Sorry to hear that you’ve had so many problems. I bought one of my daughters a new i20 Ultimate privately nearly 3 years ago and apart from a couple of minor issues, sorted under warranty, it’s been fault free. It sounds as those yours was a Friday built one! Our Hyundai dealership is brilliant. Both the sales and service teams have been first class, both as private and Motability customers.
Funnily enough, it was the heated steering wheel that featured highly on my daughters wish list (she’s a Police Officer, so works shifts) and it’s one of the few things that I’d miss about our Tucson!
@Gazamb Low demand for BEVs is no myth! Don’t be fooled by looking at percentage increases – they are bound to be high as they are from a small base. The far more relevant figure is the percentage to total vehicle sales. In the first quarter of 2025, BEVs represented only 15.2% of new cars sold across the EU. Hybrid cars were 35.5% (this is the category getting good growth) and ICE cards 38.3%. Put another way, even now, out of every 6.5 cars sold, only one is a BEV.
The 19,000 figure is one Ford model, but I agree that as a brand they are way off the pace, although I suspect that the e-Puma (or whatever it’s called) will become the best selling car in the U.K. as it qualifies for the full grant.
If you want to understand the problems that low demand for BEVs are causing across Europe, I recommend the following video;
Yes It is a fabulous colour @Glos Guy that is why I choose it. I am not really a fan of dark colour’s
With the Tucson, you need a darker colour just to disguise it’s weird shape😂
Very true. Over a year in and I’m afraid that I still don’t like the look of it. Thankfully the interior, where I spend my time, is fine!
@joss Portimao Blue is a fabulous colour and really suits the car. It looks good in all weather conditions.
@kezo As an amusing aside, check out this short video from Jim Davidson, filmed whilst driving his new Hyundai Santa Fe. His car bings and bongs even more than mine. It’s ruddy constant, not that he seems to be bothered by it!
