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I would like to see a far better selection of decent sized petrol (and diesel for those that want it) SUVs and estate cars. I find it extremely irritating that the only decent additions to the scheme these days are EVs. Motability are NOT an environmental charity yet seem to behave like one. It’s good to see all the EV additions for those that want one, but this should not be at the expense of choice for those who either do not want an EV, or would find one to be impractical. Sadly, I think I will be disappointed.
I would like to see a far better selection of decent sized petrol (and diesel for those that want it) SUVs and estate cars. I find it extremely irritating that the only decent additions to the scheme these days are EVs. Motability are NOT an environmental charity yet seem to behave like one. It’s good to see all the EV additions for those that want one, but this should not be at the expense of choice for those who either do not want an EV, or would find one to be impractical. Sadly, I think I will be disappointed.
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I would like to see a far better selection of decent sized petrol (and diesel for those that want it) SUVs and estate cars. I find it extremely irritating that the only decent additions to the scheme these days are EVs. Motability are NOT an environmental charity yet seem to behave like one. It’s good to see all the EV additions for those that want one, but this should not be at the expense of choice for those who either do not want an EV, or would find one to be impractical. Sadly, I think I will be disappointed.
I agree, whilst there are a lot of benefits in owning an EV, it’s not for everyone, yet. Whilst there are limitations in who should own one, there should be a full offering of suitable cars for those not yet wishing or able to have an EV. I do think, however, it’s easier for Motability to negotiate for EVs at a good price while the government have successfully reduced demand. While sales are still improving, they’re a way behind forecasts and that gives Motability an ‘in’ on negotiations
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I do think, however, it’s easier for Motability to negotiate for EVs at a good price while the government have successfully reduced demand. While sales are still improving, they’re a way behind forecasts and that gives Motability an ‘in’ on negotiations
Very good point
I do think, however, it’s easier for Motability to negotiate for EVs at a good price while the government have successfully reduced demand. While sales are still improving, they’re a way behind forecasts and that gives Motability an ‘in’ on negotiations
Very good point
I do make them every now and then ?
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I would like to see a far better selection of decent sized petrol (and diesel for those that want it) SUVs and estate cars. I find it extremely irritating that the only decent additions to the scheme these days are EVs. Motability are NOT an environmental charity yet seem to behave like one. It’s good to see all the EV additions for those that want one, but this should not be at the expense of choice for those who either do not want an EV, or would find one to be impractical. Sadly, I think I will be disappointed.
I agree, whilst there are a lot of benefits in owning an EV, it’s not for everyone, yet. Whilst there are limitations in who should own one, there should be a full offering of suitable cars for those not yet wishing or able to have an EV. I do think, however, it’s easier for Motability to negotiate for EVs at a good price while the government have successfully reduced demand. While sales are still improving, they’re a way behind forecasts and that gives Motability an ‘in’ on negotiations
Yes, with the sales of EVs to private customers having dropped off a cliff lately, the lease market is where manufacturers will be targeting. As most lease customers are driving company cars, the ‘benefit in kind’ tax advantages of EVs over ICE cars are enormous, so that’s a much more receptive audience (even for those whose ‘fuel’ costs are paid for by their employer). Motability Operations, as a major lease supplier, will be able to take advantage of this, even though we don’t benefit from any tax advantages of driving an EV.
As I said, I’m pleased to see an improving choice of decent EVs, not least because it’s pushing the envelope of the retail value of cars on the scheme. I haven’t entirely ruled one out myself but, on balance, I’d prefer a petrol car, even though I know it will cost me a lot more to run (at least in the short term). What I find frustrating is that Motabilty operations negotiating team seem to be focusing almost 100% of their attention on the EV market and, with a few token exceptions, pretty much ignoring what the vast majority of their customers still want.
As an example, now that we have EVs that are well in excess of £50k, I’d like to see the BMW X3 petrol on the scheme which starts at £48k. I fully appreciate that Motability wouldn’t get anywhere near as good a deal on the X3 as they would on the EVs, but I’d happily pay a few grand more AP for one than is currently being asked for the likes of the iX1 and i4. I’m fully aware that this isn’t going to happen though. It doesn’t fit with the agenda of the policy makers at Motability who are obviously ‘on a mission’.
I would like to see a far better selection of decent sized petrol (and diesel for those that want it) SUVs and estate cars. I find it extremely irritating that the only decent additions to the scheme these days are EVs. Motability are NOT an environmental charity yet seem to behave like one. It’s good to see all the EV additions for those that want one, but this should not be at the expense of choice for those who either do not want an EV, or would find one to be impractical. Sadly, I think I will be disappointed.
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Totally agree and I’ve raised this point recently on the Motability Facebook page. Just got bombarded by die hard EV fans who just kept making justifications for how great EV’s are. Pointed out multiple times that the point I was making was that Motability was putting too much emphasis on EV’s in its articles etc but it didn’t seem to sink in with these people.
The fact they felt the need to justify their EV so much tells me they know themselves that an EV is more problematic in terms of day to day use than they wish to admit. EV’s have their place for certain situations but for people like me where offroad parking and overnight charging are not an option they are a none starter and Mobility needs to cater to this rather than constantly pushing the dubious ‘green message’
Some people are narrow minded don’t feel pressurised into EV, I am a fan of PHEV and EV’s however there are some excellent hybrid and in the near future some viable alternative.
Who’s right or wrong I have no idea, they only tell us what they want us hear.
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally say the wrong thing.
Thats the point though @Oscarmax. It’s not about right or wrong because EV’s are perfectly fine for some people if they fit their driving requirements. The point is that Motability are now constantly pushing everything from an EV standpoint, be that in the cars they are offering or the articles they are releasing.
EV’s are not suitable for a large proportion of Motability’s customer base at the moment and Motability should be presenting an unbiased outlook and presenting EV’s, ICE and Hybrid vehicles on an equal footing and currently they are not.
What they are doing is presenting EV’s as a great solution for everyone which is both misleading, uninformative and most definitely not the case!
Thats the point though @Oscarmax. It’s not about right or wrong because EV’s are perfectly fine for some people if they fit their driving requirements. The point is that Motability are now constantly pushing everything from an EV standpoint, be that in the cars they are offering or the articles they are releasing. EV’s are not suitable for a large proportion of Motability’s customer base at the moment and Motability should be presenting an unbiased outlook and presenting EV’s, ICE and Hybrid vehicles on an equal footing and currently they are not. What they are doing is presenting EV’s as a great solution for everyone which is both misleading, uninformative and most definitely not the case!
Exactly this. I’d never buy or lease an EV or a hybrid because it would be impossible for me to charge it over night which means that I’d have to travel somewhere to do it. Makes no sense whatsoever.
Current car: MG HS Exclusive in nice shiny black. 🙂
You do not need to charge a hybrid, only PHEV and EV, a hybrid works by recuperating the wasted energy, the latest versions are more efficient than diesels.
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally say the wrong thing.
You do not need to charge a hybrid, only PHEV and EV, a hybrid works by recuperating the wasted energy, the latest versions are more efficient than diesels.
Yes, as an engineer I am aware of that. However, any advantages even a self-charging hybrid would hold for me are negligible.
Current car: MG HS Exclusive in nice shiny black. 🙂
Motability should be presenting an unbiased outlook and presenting EV’s, ICE and Hybrid vehicles on an equal footing and currently they are not.
I agree! However, @MFillingham made a very good point to perhaps why Motability have a bias towards EV’s
You do not need to charge a hybrid, only PHEV and EV, a hybrid works by recuperating the wasted energy, the latest versions are more efficient than diesels.
Yes, as an engineer I am aware of that. However, any advantages even a self-charging hybrid would hold for me are negligible.
An extra 20 – 25 mpg whats not to like?
Motability should be presenting an unbiased outlook and presenting EV’s, ICE and Hybrid vehicles on an equal footing and currently they are not.
I agree! However, @MFillingham made a very good point to perhaps why Motability have a bias towards EV’s
It must be easier to negotiate a good discount on EVs right now, allowing cars for over £50k to be available without the need for £8,000 APs. However much we’d like to see a bigger selection of higher priced cars, I can’t see Motability getting enough of a discount to get a £50k+ petrol car reduced enough to get a reasonable AP, given as we get closer to 2035 the crystal ball really can’t predict what will happen to used demand. I would expect the used petrol and diesel markets to remain strong for as long as there’s people stubborn enough to keep demand high.
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Motability should be presenting an unbiased outlook and presenting EV’s, ICE and Hybrid vehicles on an equal footing and currently they are not.
I agree! However, @MFillingham made a very good point to perhaps why Motability have a bias towards EV’s
It must be easier to negotiate a good discount on EVs right now, allowing cars for over £50k to be available without the need for £8,000 APs. However much we’d like to see a bigger selection of higher priced cars, I can’t see Motability getting enough of a discount to get a £50k+ petrol car reduced enough to get a reasonable AP, given as we get closer to 2035 the crystal ball really can’t predict what will happen to used demand. I would expect the used petrol and diesel markets to remain strong for as long as there’s people stubborn enough to keep demand high.
It’s got absolutely nothing to do with being ‘stubborn’ and all about being practical. As an example I myself live in a terraced house with no offroad parking and no ability to home charge.
If I was to have an EV I would be forced to use public chargers for 100% of my charging of an EV which would be considerably more expensive than home charging, thats before we even get into the issue of if the nearest chargers are working and available.
Your point about ‘expensive petrol cars’ is also a little confusing seeing as it common knowledge that EV versions are more expensive than the petrol / diesel versions of the same model (sometimes considerably more so)
Its extremely arrogant to brand people ‘stubborn’ just because they haven’t got access to the same facilities and conveniences that you yourself must obviously have!
A vauxhall dealer on the Facebook group has said the price of EVs has come down and the price of petrols have risen slightly so if you have any interest in them might be worth letting an order in if you’re waiting for q1
@Badwolfe wrote
“EV’s have their place for certain situations but for people like me where offroad parking and overnight charging are not an option they are a none starter and Mobility needs to cater to this rather than constantly pushing the dubious ‘green message’”
What exactly is the dubious “green message” you refer to?
Whilst I fully understand it is difficult for some to currently change to EVs seamlessly we all have to at least try and reduce our carbon footprint. Man made climate change is happening in real time and the quicker we accept that fact the better, particularly for our Children Grandchildren and all the future generations.
At this time EVs are the best option but if an equally clean alternative was developed, with easier affordable access to all I would switch without hesitation. I commend Motability for taking a stand for the environment and also agree with yet another fine point made by @MFillingham.
@Badwolfe wrote “EV’s have their place for certain situations but for people like me where offroad parking and overnight charging are not an option they are a none starter and Mobility needs to cater to this rather than constantly pushing the dubious ‘green message’” What exactly is the dubious “green message” you refer to? Whilst I fully understand it is difficult for some to currently change to EVs seamlessly we all have to at least try and reduce our carbon footprint. Man made climate change is happening in real time and the quicker we accept that fact the better, particularly for our Children Grandchildren and all the future generations. At this time EVs are the best option but if an equally clean alternative was developed, with easier affordable access to all I would switch without hesitation. I commend Motability for taking a stand for the environment and also agree with yet another fine point made by @MFillingham.
I’m not going to turn this into an environmental discussion but you really need to look beyond carbon emissions for the bigger picture.
I have no issue with EV’s if they fit the lifestyle of the person wishing to own one but what I do have is an issue with is people who only have a simplistic outlook on environmental problems and look no further than CO2 emissions as a reason to condemn everyone who doesn’t own an EV.
Have you looked into the background of what goes into the construction of EV cars and how destructive that is on the environment? Have you looked into what actually goes into producing the electricity that is needed to charge your EV? Have you looked into the environmental impact of so called ‘sustainable’ energy generation? For example do you know that the blades on wind turbines are not recyclable and are being buried in landfills at an alarming rate? Do you understand how much oil is used in just keeping those turbines operational?
The environment is a complicated issue and cannot be narrowed down to just carbon emissions and your EV is not the answer to all our environmental prayers no matter how loud that you proclaim it is!
@Dafydd I suspect that @Badwolfe is referring to the fact that EVs are more environmentally damaging to manufacture than ICE cars and the ‘break even’ point where they become more environmentally friendly is at a mileage that is much higher than any Motability customer will achieve!
Whilst it’s great that Motability offer a reasonably good choice of EVs for those who want them, have the ability to charge them and can afford the high APs, we must keep in mind that Motability is NOT an environmental charity, nor should it be, and it does feel that their push on EVs is at the detriment of the vast majority of their customers for whom an EV is neither practical or desirable.
@Dafydd I suspect that @Badwolfe is referring to the fact that EVs are more environmentally damaging to manufacture than ICE cars and the ‘break even’ point where they become more environmentally friendly is at a mileage that is much higher than any Motability customer will achieve! Whilst it’s great that Motability offer a reasonably good choice of EVs for those who want them, have the ability to charge them and can afford the high APs, we must keep in mind that Motability is NOT an environmental charity, nor should it be, and it does feel that their push on EVs is at the detriment of the vast majority of their customers for whom an EV is neither practical or desirable.
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