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If you weren’t on the scheme being helped with expense, would you be driving, buying the car you travel in now..
Would you be in a position to buy, and set up everything needed to use an electric car as your transport..
I can say I wouldn’t be interested at all of the expense on these cars at all..
How are people going to afford these electric goodies and all that come with it..
Its easy for us having help I guess, what happens when the help isn’t there…?..
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Its not about evs, its about ordinary people not being able to afford newer, better cars because they don’t earn enough. They stay poor because everything is more expensive when you have not got money, loans, credit, economic cars, energy efficient housing etc etc. Plus if you are rich enough you can buy a secure future for your kids by sending them to school where success is almost guaranteed. Its a shitty unfair world that isn’t working as Piketty points out. Capitalism isn’t working. Demand is insufficient.
If I could half my fuel bill and did not have an exhaust pipe I would be shouting it from the rooftops.
If you have ever ridden a motorbike through the Rotherhithe tunnel at rush hour you will know the level of poison these cars pump out, it sits at the bottom like a fog, you feel lucky to make it to the other side.Rotherhithe tunnel, Surely there’s another route, I thought it has restrictions for some vehicle’s, I’d just avoid it if possible, should be able to cut through the traffic on a motorbike..
As for all the polluting cars in the tunnel, that will be the workers going home..
Sadly these electric cars are way out of reach for them to buy..
I just think some need to be reminded not everyone can have/afford a electric car..
For some here to be writing the stuff you can’t, won’t, don’t see about people not yet driving electric cars is in my opinion is wrong..
The name calling is pathetic..
?? it’s ok never mind slip of the tongue…
ajn in the distant future all cars on the scheme will be BEVs, In the future all cars on the scheme will be EVs but in the meantime we have to deal with what’s available. Certainly there are many on the scheme who don’t have an ev partly because they can’t afford one partly because they can’t charge at home and partly because there isn’t an ev that meets their needs.
There are no “them and us” on the scheme only “us” we all have greater problems than fighting about the difference between EVs and ICE cars but it’s essential to let people know what the future will bring together with the benefits and pitfalls of running an ev. So when I, or anyone else, posts a thread relating to EVs it’s not to get at people who don’t want or can’t afford an EV it’s just information which all of us will need in the long run.
So let’s not fall out about cars it’s not worth it.
The only person who got all his work done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe.
Anything i post over three lines long please assume it is an article lol.Thanks for the advice Brydo but with all respect I’ve got this far in life by doing what I see fit, and it suits me..
Maybe wmc haven’t seen certain people posting insulting almost disgusting names with intent..
personally I think they have, and so have others even you, turning a blind eye, well so be it..
As for falling out over cars, you lost me completely sorry, and tbh I don’t need an explanation..
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The only person who got all his work done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe.
Anything i post over three lines long please assume it is an article lol.Anyway @Brydo go have a look on the music thread off topic ?????????
I suppose we ignore the fact that the base model ID3 is cheaper than a low spec A-Class then.
That “EVs are prohibitively expensive” argument strikes me continuously as odd. Or, of course, more likely, a red herring. Yeah, Teslas, Taycans and “big” EVs are expensive. So are “big” ICE cars.
If the argument is “if you can’t afford a new car at all”, then you simply don’t buy an EV, the same way you don’t buy a new A-Class in that case. This is an entirely asinine argument.
As for all the polluting cars in the tunnel, that will be the workers going home.. Sadly these electric cars are way out of reach for them to buy..
Yeah. So will be any other decent new cars. So what exactly is your point? That there’s no decent used market yet? Fair, it’s new stuff, there’s not much out there, and they tend to keep value considerably better than ICE cars. Same thing with any new technology – try finding cheapies with virtual cockpits, or with any new technology for that matter.
Point is, your attempt to make everyone feel bad for “the working man” is pathetic. If you can’t afford a new car, it doesn’t matter what kind of technology it has. New EVs, while still slightly more expensive, aren’t £20.000 over a comparable ICE car anymore. Try between £1000-£5000. Sounds a lot? No, not at all – that will amortise itself within 2-3 years. Even with our measly mileage in the last two years due to C19, we’d save around £500 a year in fuel. And that’s on a car that has only run 7000 miles in 2.5 years, averaging 42ish mpg. You can easily double that. After 5 years, you’ve saved more in petrol than you paid for the “EV hike”. That’s not included (in many cases) cheaper tax brackets, where you save again. And then, on top of that, the EV will hold value considerably better than current ICE cars, so if you flog it after 5 years, you’ll make more money back too. And anyone who has just a little bit of sense financially, does acknowledge that.
This “nobody can afford them” only comes from people who never actually sat down for an hour or two and went through the math. Yes, there are cases where it doesn’t make sense (usually if you have to commute a long distance over motorways), but the majority of moaners simply haven’t actually looked at the bottom line.
Here’s the thing though. People who can’t afford an EV, or genuinely did the math and came to the conclusion that they won’t save money through it, usually don’t open multiple threads screeching about EVs. People who can’t afford a new car regardless of fuel type, neither.
Makes you wonder, no?
Sidenote: TheEngineer had a poll in regards to EVs, where 45% said they wouldn’t buy an EV due to range concerns and (the lack of) charging infrastructure. It’s not the price, it’s range anxiety. And that’s a very valid argument, i suffer from that too. If someone tells me “i don’t know if X miles per charge is enough, and how much charge do you lose in winter etc” – sure. We can sit down with a coffee/tea, do some research (plenty of people on youtube who ran their ID3 at -1 degrees celsius on the motorway to find out real world range, etc) and come to a conclusion, either way.
Making up stupid arguments because you “don’t like it”, i mean.. Sure.
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Current: Hyundai Ioniq 6 Ultimate
Next: we'll see what's available in 2028.i dont see why people are getting so worked up about electric vehicles i just see it as another alternative to whats available and as at the end of my lease i will assess which vehicle suits my needs and will enable me to continue with my life.
its just another fuel type to me, when i was doing high mileages i had a deisel as that was the best for me at the time now with low mileages i have a petrol. more important for me is the ease i can get in and out of whatever car i have.
if i still did a long commute and higher mileage i probably wouldnt consider electric due to range anxiety and an inability to home charge and i am sure that will apply to many on the scheme and in the wider world.
however due to my current lifestyle low mileage and flexible working i would be able to cope with public charging so electric will be considered. that doesnt mke me an ecowarrior or suddenly make me a member of greenpeace it simply means i have decided an electric vehicle is the best solution at that time and people shouldnt be derided for whatever choice we make lets face it at the moment the choice is diminishing daily.
so in a years time i will be seriously considering the electric options along with phev and petrol and i will get whatever i like regardless of others opinions. get whatever suits your life.
Oh it’s you, the name caller how wonderful, the word argument popping up again..
I’m not arguing simply stating the fact I don’t know any working man/ladies who own a electric car..
Yet you are quite happy dishing out words like mass murder etc…
Well here’s some thing for you to read, what ever you state as facts and figures might be right however your attitude man or lady sinks..
You have help with your transport, others don’t..
How many hours have you been saving the world as to destroying it..
No need to reply, as I can’t stomach that brat like attitude you expel..?
<p style=”text-align: left;”>That’s not to you Mitch, and you make valid points.</p>
Its to the one above your post, just to clear up any confusion..When it is an alternative fuel, that is fine, there is choice for all markets, all housing situations and all pockets. It’s when it becomes the only choice that I worry as that will leave some who are currently able to run a car, unable to run a car.
Re the financial argument, I know that at the moment it is cheaper to run an EV on a day to day basis but it does come with an upfront cost (having a charging point installed), that immediately creates a block for some. Yes, it will be ‘made back’ over time but it does rather rely on having that cash available in the first place.
For me to have an EV, would take an initial outlay of approx 5k, quite possibly more (driveway and port installed – we have to stick to various rules about the driveway contractors used and the style which massively increases the price, we can’t just knock the wall down and drive on) and that is without any extra costs for the car, it would take many many many years for that to be returned. Without a driveway, having one would just be an impossible dream (for me), it just wouldn’t work until the infrastructure not only catches up but is in surplus.
I’m not anti EV, I would love to have one but having gone through all the options, possibilities etc for getting one, there is no way that it would work for me in my current situation.
<p style=”text-align: left;”>I don’t think anyone is anti electric car Sue, I just would like the drivers of them to consider the wording and attitude to people who haven’t change over yet..</p>
Motability is made easier for anyone on it, as for those who’s not, then I don’t think they deserve the attitude from some.This electric car invention is to save the environment, so it’s got to be a help there for good I hope..
Some might say I’m of topic this forum is wmc yes but the environment is everyone’s even non disability..
Maybe send this to room 101 @wmcforum…
Oh I know that most are not anti EV ajn but it would appear that some are assuming that some are.
the problems you highlight sue are going to be the biggest issue with the rollout of ev’s, lack of offroad parking and home charging stations. not everyone can rely on public chargers and the only way this will change long term is for the government to legislate that all new builds have to have charge points and maybe even solar panels too. but of course they are reluctant to do it because the biggest donors to all parties are the housebuilders.
unless the govt invest in the infrastructure and provide conveniant charging the roll out will be slow. all street lamps should be made into chargers, there are other pavement chargers around that could be installed, but obviously we would need to be prepared to rip up most pavements around the place for it to happen.
house builders and councils wont do anything unless govt legislate and hold a gun to their heads someone needs to grow a set and spend the money. unfortunateley they will then want to claw it back so taxes in some form will go up either rates, road fund or a mileage charge.
Thanks Ajn,
A slow process and a chest X-ray in a few weeks will reveal the damage. Never thought a child’s respiratory virus could be so devastating. Guess I was clinically extremely vulnerable for a reason. I have not even sat in the Allspace since June.
I am not anti EV. I was anti diesel for pumping carcinogenic toxins into kids lungs. There are practical headwinds in achieving politician’s self imposed deadlines. Biden has gone for 50% EV by 2030, which sounds more plausible. North of 125,000,000 cars Those enslaved children in the DRCongo will have to dig even faster. As always,, the elephant in the room is global exponential population growth. Never gets a mention. Wonder why. In 20 years the uk has grown by at least 5 Birminghams. Saving the planet requires joined up thinking which seems in perpetual short supply.
to answer your excellent question. I very much doubt if I would buy a Tiguan Allspace privately. A second hand Touran would do the job and make more financial sense. I’m too disabled for unwieldy cables.Best of luck with the x ray results @Clipped wings, and a steady recovery too..?
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