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I signed up with Alternaleaf for medical cannabis. I pay £10 a month and that covers all the fees, appointments, prescriptions etc then I’ll just pay for the cannabis to be delivered to my door each month.
It’s not cheap but then I wouldn’t expect it to be. There’s no smoking it because unhealthy obviously you use high temp vapourisers so it nearly all gets converted to vapour with the minimum smell.
Obviously if you’re going to be driving you’ve got to watch it no different to opiates but it’s completely legal.
Just had my first video call with a pharmacist who has approved me to the next stage, I have a next appointment setup for Tuesday to speak about my prescription, dose etc after that I can look at what they have and choose what I want.
I don’t think I’m going to get thru a lot cos of the cost but hoping I can get some relief and rest.
So far Alternaleaf have been really good to me.
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Thanks for the re post to the link @wmcforum that info and process very much helped by @Stav50 was a perfect description of the whole process.
My friend is on his 3rd order, totally hassle free, has made a him feel so at ease doing things all legal in the UK.
I really do hope this post can help anyone out there..
@Rich44 and @ajn Many thanks for this. Would be very interested to know how you get on taking the stuff. Tried it myself (home-grown) and even though it worked brilliantly in stopping symptoms (restless leg) I found the inhaling of it very uncomfortable, not to say revolting. Moreover, even though symptom relief was instant and better than any other medicines, I just couldn’t handle uncoordination and feeling drunk. Also found it intensified my mobility problems and I was largely unable to walk. So would be interested to hear whether “medically approved” stuff can get round these issues.
Imo Tharg your concerns would remain.
Even with the Storz and Bikel mighty vaporiser (medically approved and legal in the UK), there’s some thing known as the Bikel tickle, which is a irritation to the throat that results in a cough on inhalation if not use to it, lower temperatures result in less high more relief, higher vape temps result in more intense high..
As for the medical cannabis there’s a monthly list/ catalogue type menu to view at the online pharmacy.
Prices range from £4.50 a gram upto £1o a gram, they (My friend) average £7.50 a gram.
You must remember there’s different strains with different affects & tastes/strengths..
As for motabilty the Storz & Bikel vape device would be an expensive mistake for you to make and not like it, and will result in a high, not zoned out or unable to function, but each person could result in different experiences..
My friend smoked it rolled also with tabaco when running low, it stinks and totally unhealthy to the max, the vape is cleaner and for him much healthier, also the medical cannabis is cheaper by the gram from the pharmacy than, well let’s say elsewhere.
For you Tharg I’d say if you don’t like the process of inhaling it, and some effects of doing so simply DO NOT proceed.
That’s my true opinion of it, however for a long time user the said products for pain relief he is defo on a win win situation as he now is tabaco free after years of mixing the both..
Vaping he says is much healthier…
There is an option of making a butter but be warned it’s then becomes illegal, and powerful so guess that’s why.
@Tharg or others interested, my mate have just received his new ordered prescription, he’s allowed a few pics of the product of different strength’s which he uses considering his pain relief, I’m not to sure what the figures mean, but others might..
The price and strengths differ, which he controls his pain, resulting in strong, medium, and quite low..He’s got quite a collection arrived today, 24 hr tracked and delivery..
I know absolutely nothing about medical cannabis and how it differs (if it does) from cannabis that is used recreationally, but it’s worth knowing that regular cannabis stays in your system for several days after usage. Every year, thousands of people get driving bans for having levels of cannabis in their system which are above the legal limit. Many of these people last used cannabis a few days previously, but were still over the limit. As I say, I’ve no idea whether products sold as medical cannabis are the same, but personally I’d only be prepared to try it if I wasn’t going to be driving for several days afterwards. Drug driving bans are now exceeding drink driving. It’s a major problem.
Yes totally agree GlosGuy, the friend mentioned gave up driving maybe 7yrs now truck driver too, he’s seen plenty of horrific rta over his time..
Please be assured I wouldn’t recommend this stuff to anyone, I’m simply saying it’s available in a vape device rather than the old way, also it’s apparently proven to be a pain reliever recognised now in the UK.
My friend tbh might not be around much longer, but it’s just nice to see them smile and cuddle rather than rant in pain, rage and frustration.
Do not drive medicated on most medication is the true answer I guess, until it comes to oneself then it’s oh I’m ok…. Really 🫨..
DON’T DRIVE MEDICATED
@wmcforum please feel free to room 101 this post if need be, tbh I posted it for help for a friend of mine, I got the info from very experience and helpful people here, which to me seems better than just going ahead clueless and it’s helped..
THANKS for allowing the post, but I don’t want to be seen as glorifying cannabis use.
No problem @ajn I’m sure that it has its benefits. All I wanted to do was alert people to the fact that cannabis can remain at a level that is above the legal limit to drive for several days after use. For example, someone using Cannabis on a Saturday night may assume that they would be safe to drive on Sunday. In reality, they are likely to still be over the limit on Monday and even Tuesday. Bizarrely, it stays in the system longer than some class A drugs.
@ajn Many thanks for your advice. (Apols for late reply: medical and medicine issues). Will very, very likely do as you say and leave it out of medicine equation. Shame. Works fine; better that anything else. Just seriously do not like it.
@wmcforum Many thanks for letting this one run. I seriously needed some informed, unbiased advice on the use of this stuff.@Tharg If you find smoking cannabis harsh, investing in a glass water pipe (bong), where the water to filter the smoke and eliminates the harshness, making it alot smoother to use. The same can be said with using a vaporiser with a water pipe, to remove the harshness and heat asssociated with vaping at high temperaturers.
If you have a cannabis social club near you, they can offer advice on equipment and help with both sides of the spectrum. However, as @Glos-Guy suggests THC can stay in the system and be detectable by blood and urine tests for upto 30 days.
The law is don’t drive intoxicated not don’t drive with thc in your system.
You don’t get prosecuted for having thc in your system if you’re on a prescription.
Like pip is not about your diagnosis, intoxication is not about esp what can be tested for levels count. Just because you have thc in your body does not mean you’re intoxicated it’s waaaaay more complex than that.
If you don’t like vapourising which I hate smoking and I’ve never been able to smoke the stuff but the vapourising is much easier on the lungs esp if you start at 180C enough to get medicated but not enough to hurt you.
If you don’t like inhaling you can choose capsules, gummies, or oil there’s LOTS of choice.
I paid £269 for 40g which is lasting ages as you only use 0.2g per dose and most of the time for me it’s one deep inhale enough to feel the benefit and not get stoned but I don’t drive around it at all ever
This is what Curaleaf say on the matter. In reality it’s no different than taking nytol then causing an accident, you drove intoxicated.
Same with opiates if you’re on morphine etc you might get sleepy to that as long as you’re fit to drive the opiates in your system are irrelevant if prescribed.
Having said that I don’t want to be a test case so it’s a matter of knowing if you’re fit to drive same as mo driving when really ill etc
Drivers responsibility
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Can you drive while taking medical cannabis?
Like many medicines, medical cannabis can impair your driving ability by causing drowsiness and slowing reaction times, increasing the risk of accidents. The current legal limit for blood tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) levels is 2 micrograms/L. It is highly likely that if you have been prescribed medical cannabis containing THC, you will exceed this limit. Cannabidiol (CBD) only products have been shown to have no potential effect on driving reaction speed and risk of collision.You only need to inform the DVLA if you have a notifiable medical condition or disability. You do not need to inform them about your prescription.
A statutory defence may apply if a car accident occurs where a specialist doctor has legally prescribed medical cannabis and driving performance was not impaired.
No matter your medication, you should never drive whilst impaired. Your dose and prescription can affect you differently from someone else, so you should always speak to your specialist doctor about possible impairment while taking your medication.
I am concerned at some of the inaccurate information in this thread that, if taken as gospel, could land people in real difficulties.
It is not the case that being medically prescribed a drug allows you to drive with a higher concentration of drugs in your system. There is a presumption that people should not drive with any drugs in their system at all, but the legal maximums are specifically set to allow for people who are likely to have traces of drugs due to prescriptions.
It is not for individuals to determine whether or not they are fit to drive. There are prescribed limits that apply in all instances and you cannot drive above them, whatever the reason. Many drink and drug drivers are surprised that they are over the limit but, if they are, an automatic ban (minimum 12 months) follows. There is no discretion on this.
A little known fact is that the Police can bring a charge of unfit to drive through drink or drugs without an evidential breath or blood sample, if they have reasonable grounds to believe that drink or drugs were a factor. The result is exactly the same – a minimum 12 month ban.
In very rare cases people will attempt to run a defence that they would have had no way of knowing that they were impaired (medical reason etc) but these will set you back thousands of pounds in legal fees, as it requires specialist ‘loophole lawyers’. In fact, these defences often backfire as they almost never succeed and they have the effect of irritating the sentencing magistrates who may impose a longer ban than might have otherwise been the case with a guilty plea (as with fines, driving bans are within bands and magistrates have leeway on where to place the ban within a band). You also need to plead ‘not guilty’ to run that defence, which loses you the one third discount on any fine for a guilty plea and will also result in higher surcharges (40% of fine) and higher court costs (£85 guilty plea, rises to at least £775 for a not guilty plea if subsequently found guilty).
Rather than relying on what companies that are selling these products say, people may wish to look at the Sentencing Guidelines published by the sentencing council. These are what Judges and Magistrates use and are publicly available. Here’s just one of the ones that relates to drug driving (there are several).
I agree with Glos and the driving aspect of this, when the thread was started, it was for info on medical cannabis as pain relief, for a friend that no longer drives due to his circumstances, and for years he’s had no car or driving licence.
Infact he can’t get out of the house..
The infomation and help from this thread for me is on that basis only…
As for the driving regulations I wouldn’t know, as it’s not a concern due to it never going to happen in this case..
DO NOT DRUG/DRINK DRIVE would be my advice to anyone..
@Glos Guy thanks for the info👍👍. (not sure the link opens)
No worries. If the link doesn’t work, try Googling “Sentencing Council Guidelines Driving or attempting to drive with a specified drug above the specified limit”
The key takeaway is that if you are found to have a level of drugs (including Cannabis) in your system that is above the prescribed limit (reason is irrelevant – so medical use is no defence in law – if you need a dosage for medical reasons that puts you above the prescribed limit then it is still illegal to drive) then the sentencing court must, as a minimum start point, impose a 12 month disqualification. There is no discretion on this.
@Glos Guy thanks for the info👍👍. (not sure the link opens)
No worries. If the link doesn’t work, try Googling “Sentencing Council Guidelines Driving or attempting to drive with a specified drug above the specified limit” The key takeaway is that if you are found to have a level of drugs (including Cannabis) in your system that is above the prescribed limit (reason is irrelevant – so medical use is no defence in law – if you need a dosage for medical reasons that puts you above the prescribed limit then it is still illegal to drive) then the sentencing court must, as a minimum start point, impose a 12 month disqualification. There is no discretion on this.
Glos I have fixed the link for you.
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