Coronavirus

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  • #108156 Reply
    wmcforum
    Which Mobility Car

    There is a lot of knowledge amongst us, I exclude myself.

    The COVID 19 is dominating the news:

    How worried should we be?

    Will this be Spanish flu proportions or just another contained outbreak as SARS and MERS were?

    Oh – and when will we start to see ‘Just in time’ manufacturing suffer?

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  • #140523 Reply
    mitch
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    hi joss, well i am 61 so i am not sure it was the trigger i think it was bmi judging by the people in and out during the time i was there. those sat waiting the 15 minutes with me afterwards would have made a formidable rugby pack.

    #140527 Reply
    Wigwam
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    #140540 Reply
    mitch
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    jab update, no issues yest/last night but this morning arm feels as though someone took a bat to it in the night and i feel a bit rough. but nothing major has eased considerably now ive taken my usual prescription meds.

    so no complaints here. pfizer jab by the way

    #140545 Reply
    fwippers
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    The press and TV continue to feed us conflicting information in perhaps a buttering or softening up process.

    #140571 Reply
    joss
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    @mitch I had the pfizer jab too. Same symptoms as well. Round one out of the way. Just waiting for round 2.

     

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    #140573 Reply
    mitch
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    yes i suppose reading the blurb they give you, you could say it does what it says on the tin.

    #140612 Reply
    Daf

    Hi folks had my Pfizer jab on 18/12/20 had a real sore arm and have been left with sore elbows of all things!

    Got to get my second in work tomorrow will let you know if my elbows drop off lol…

    #140631 Reply
    joss
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    Wow Daf.  Second jab. You are our leader,hope it all goes well.

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    #140673 Reply
    Daf

    Hi Joss had it done today at 1.00 pm.

    The bad news is my arm feels like the French pack have been using it as a punch bag

    The good news is my elbows haven’t dropped off lol..

    Keep safe everyone

    #140802 Reply
    wmcforum
    Which Mobility Car

    Has anyone who has been jabbed experienced any side effects? I had a strange array of things including tingly fingers, occasional fuzzy vision, headaches and felt generally unwell for a week. Oxford Jab. I laughingly complain of long chimpanzee flu.

    #140803 Reply
    Menorca Mike
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    I’m having vaccine Wednesday morning 11am everyone I know who has had Oxford jab was unwell next day but after that fine says warm sunny day so make go in polo shirt shorts

    BBC Breakfast expert, Toyota CHR driver.

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    solent60
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    Has anyone who has been jabbed experienced any side effects? I had a strange array of things including tingly fingers, occasional fuzzy vision, headaches and felt generally unwell for a week. Oxford Jab. I laughingly complain of long chimpanzee flu.

    My mum had the AstraZeneca vaccine which, according to the leaflet, contains Chimpanzee flu virus. I’m not sure if it’s an adverse reaction but she’s been throwing her own sh*t at strangers!

    #140805 Reply
    Menorca Mike
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    😀😀😀

    BBC Breakfast expert, Toyota CHR driver.

    #140806 Reply
    Menorca Mike
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    Just saw Boris in parliament are garages opening 12th Aprilwith hairdressers etc ?

    BBC Breakfast expert, Toyota CHR driver.

    #140807 Reply
    rox
    Blocked

    If you mean showroom’s mike then yes i would imagine as they classed as Non-essential retail.

    I don’t see why they cannot opener sooner not as if you have lots of close contact like with a hairdresser.

    #140814 Reply
    rox
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    They have been lieing to us all again, which i have known for sometime, as why would the goverment be funding apps for a covid passports since last summer.. Seems we are now a communist state or heading towards one. All in the interests of public saftey, you can lose your human rights and freedom, anytime they choose. If you let them that is..

    and now it seems.

    The Government has ordered a review into whether “Covid-status certification” should be used to speed up the end of lockdown.

    Mr Johnson admitted the passports were being considered when he unveiled his plan to end the lockdown in England.

    Addressing MPs in the House of Commons, Mr Johnson said a review would be carried out to see if the introduction of such measures could play a role in “helping venues to open safely”.

    The announcement comes after weeks of the Government ruling out introducing vaccine passports for Brits to go about their daily lives.

    So pubs can open but only to key workers and those over a certain age(who have had the jab) or those with real bad conditions, who have had the jab also, can go to these event’s.. BTW i don’t go to the pub, i don’t drink. but it’s the principal. Or you had a negitive test withing 72hrs, will be needed to goto a show or the cinema. how is that normality.

    Can you take your child with you, who have not had the jab and are at very low risk and at more risk of the flu, but a sage scientist thinks they need to be jabbed asap and tested twice a week to go to school and wear a mask pretty much all the time..

    What of the psychological damage, how about a review into that..

    At some point we will have to pay for the jab. Twice a year maybe 5 different jabs for the worst strains (who know’s) out of the thousands out there, known as the common cold and flu of which corona is also classed. It seems whatever they dream up is accepted right now by many, without questioning it all..Because they scared or the emotional strings have been pulled. Thats social engineering imo

    The use of centralized planning in an attempt to manage social change and regulate the future development and behaviour of a society.

    I would not be surprised if this is not the last lockdown at all and come next winter when the nhs is overrun again or whenever the pollution levels get abit high and human activity needs to  be stopped a lockdown will be put in place.. again and again…

    It will be the goto tool of control for the masses and the big pharma will roll the cash in and those offering the tests and covid services, and lets not talk about the dodgy contracts and missing money.. Which we the people will be picking the tab up for decades, our kids and grandkids, nothing is free from goverment, it all is raised from us.. In one way or another many taxes by stealth, like the council tax rises coming soon to many threw the post..or fuel tax, capital gains tax. etc etc. goverment makes no real money it’s self.

    After a bit, will it then be  the supermarkets / uk holidays, even visiting the car showroom and doing a test drive.  be next to need the passport for, no going out anywhere unless you have it and a green light , just like china..

    no job, no school just like i said, many times before and i am a called a conspiracy theorists by some. but it seems what i have said is happening.. slowly slowly they roll it out so you do not really notice, like you gran kid you ain’t seen for a while, oh look how much they grown, they say but when you see them everyday you do not really notice as much.. this is how they do it…

    Really i am a realist. Imo It’s all to force you to have this jab, a jab any jab they pick for you.. For what reason exactly.

    when 5% of the population are effected and only 1% of those need hospital treatment. The other 95% have to suffer, I don’t even get offered the flu jab, so why this one….

    I really sense something very very fishy in all of this..

    meanwhile in lyon (FR) meat is no longer allowed in schools as the mayor is a vegan..

    If we was in america we would have to sign the waiver as it’s an untested experimental medicine.

    This slow rollout out of lockdown is pre-planed imo as the natural nature of virues plays out as we go into the season of spring and summer it mostly goes away.

    Just like in the southern hemisphere, around christmas is there summer.. our summer is there winter or rainy season.

    So it is no surprise to me that the numbers have fallen and will countinue to fall just like they did as we went towards last summer.

    It’s all a plan to rollout what comes next the great reset and the green revolution and i hope i am wrong poplulation reduction as that is not sustainable also.. To many people will harm the planet. So they need to reduce it and that is also in UN agenda 21

    Agenda 21 is a comprehensive plan of action to be taken globally, nationally and locally by organizations of the United Nations System, Governments, and Major Groups in every area in which human impacts on the environment.you can download the pdf here  from the un site and has been updated to Transforming our world: the 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development.

    No chance is missed to meet these goals setout even covid. The wef are funded by the un, so many grass roots organisations are also funded so from the top to the bottom the agenda is at play, Many don’t even realise what is going on, they just doing there job, or happy to still have a job and some just don’t care. but the facts are there for all to see, if you want to and make your own mind up. but i bet some would rather just ignore that and follow the other sheep rather than look for themselves and accept every lie they told and ever excuse offered as a valid reason. Not me..

     

     

    #140816 Reply
    wmcforum
    Which Mobility Car

    You offer a very interesting version of reality, firstly I thought a Communist State promoted Socialism, public ownership etc, surely this goes against everything this Government stand for.

    #140820 Reply
    Tharg
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    Have to agree, WMCforum. This government is about as far from a Communist state as you can get. In fact, if Boris and pals had got their way and privatised the NHS then the death toll from Covid would be exponentially larger. Paying from the vaccine from one’s own pocket would would be crippling enough. If you needed an ICU, and don’t have private health care, then sell your house and hope.

    It could be argued that the only good thing to have come out of the pandemic is the delay of the privatisation plans.

    #140823 Reply
    rox
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    I closed my reply page by accident and had to have dinner and it was a good one but cannot be bothered to type it all again.  so i will try be short as there never an easy or short answer to these questions.

    It was more the totalaterion of the state i was refering to, but as we head more into the great reset or as the many leaders of the world call it “build back better” choice is not an option and any vew against it is crushed and lets not talk about the police, who don’t understand that guidance is not law and the facts that our rights have been taken away and given back in drips and draps.

    Labour ain’t done much and starmer has said hancock should not be sacked and only today this lockdown should be the last, I bet he is calling for more soon enough and tuffer actions and more restrictions of our freedoms in the name of public saftey. Over and over they play it out like good cop, bad cop, so we think they not working for the same paymasters, who will give them a nice little number after leaving goverment.

    As for the nhs most of us all pay NI as well as taxes, so we do pay towards it and so much theses days is out sourced to 3rd parties not only in the nhs but local goverment, prisons, policing etc etc companies like serco who i believe are owned by the crown and the likes of richard branson who sue the nhs also. Costing us the tax payers even more.

    I am all for the nhs but how long will it be used as a reason to keep us from having our god given rights taken away for..

    Save the nhs when the nhs should be there to save you, but in some case that is not true either. Why because of the bigwigs ego’s imo and they don’t want to look bad.

    It turnsout the nhs under this pandemic has been blanket putting dnr’s of those with learning disabilities as they deem there lives are not worth saving i guess.

    I do get that they have to make hard choices but in the same vein, they also have to be judged and held to account. like for the descion to release people into care homes that had covid and infected those in care homes.(1/3 of all covid deaths have been in care homes)  I do not blame the doctor’s and nurse’s they are treated so bad by the nhs also imo.. but the manger’s of the trusts whom was balled out. for all the wrongs before covid.

    like my local hospital who had a refit and borrowed i think 250million under a pfi and has to repay 1 billion pounds 300% intrest and they have to pay the pfi company as part of it to change a light bulb for instance at £100 a pop and any other maintenance.

    So it was no wonder the trust was in money trouble and who was that deal setup under the labour goverment as well as the schools and alot oare now academys, some which never been used as they was not fit for purpose, but still being payed for. So many ways to fleece us and again we hold the nhs dear and they know that and will use it aginst as they are doing right now..

     

    #140826 Reply
    rox
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    Guessing this guy is not a member of sage and could it be all the lockdowns are for nothing at all in the end.

    Coronavirus will not be wiped out, expert suggests

    Coronavirus will not be wiped out and is likely to become an endemic infection, an expert has said in light of Boris Johnson’s comments that there is no “credible route to a zero-Covid Britain”.

    Speaking as he announced plans for England’s path out of lockdown, the Prime Minister also said any lifting of lockdown restrictions would lead to more cases and deaths.

    Professor Lawrence Young, professor of molecular oncology at Warwick Medical School, said the virus cannot be contained worldwide and there has to be an acceptance that there will be some deaths.

    Mr Johnson told the Commons: “There is therefore no credible route to a zero-Covid Britain, or indeed, a zero-Covid world and we cannot persist indefinitely with restrictions that debilitate our economy, our physical and mental wellbeing and the life chances of our children.”

    Speaking to the PA news agency, Prof Young said: “Just worldwide, you’re not going to be able to contain this virus.

    “There’s already millions of people infected, we know that it’s going to continue infecting.

    “And we know that whatever restrictions that we put in place, whatever we do, with vaccinations, etc it’s not going to stop them.

    Already over 111 million people have been infected with it around the world, so it’s going to continue to infect and continue to change.

    “I think that’s why it’s really quite difficult, if not impossible, to have a sort of zero Covid strategy really in this country.”

    He added that realistically the only way to wipe out the virus was to get the whole world vaccinated, but that wouldn’t happen for a very long time.

    Prof Young said: “So I think the general sense is, not only from those issues but also from the way the virus behaves, and the way that other viruses behave, the way that coronavirus has behaved generally, is even though we hope to be able to stop it causing severe disease, it’s very likely to become an endemic infection.

    “And I think that’s what this strategy is all about. It’s accepting that actually, that’s what’s going to happen.

    “And the hope is it will eventually become part and parcel of seasonal winter flus and colds that you get with or without the need for subsequent vaccinations.”

    Prof Young explained it could be that the virus adapts to humans, as is being seen with the variants, and it may be that the virus becomes less harmful and does not require repeated vaccinations.

    Asked if there was now an acceptance that there will always be some death from Covid-19, he said: “Yes, because we do that for other infections.

    “It’s a horrible way to think about it, but why should we think about it any different from the way that people die from flu and pneumonia every year.

    “What you can’t have is the number of people that have been so poorly and the pressure that puts on the NHS, aside from the obvious horrible effect of people getting poorly and dying.

    “I think it’s almost a societal issue about ‘well if you’re going to learn to live with something like this, what is an acceptable level of being sick, and actually what are people prepared to live with?’.”

    Prof Young said that vaccines are not 100% effective and there are always going to be many people who are vulnerable and don’t get vaccinated, and there is always going to be an underlying level of infection and illness.

     

     

    #140828 Reply
    Clipped wings

    Some interesting thoughts, Rox. What is worrying in a democracy is that they can now make “emergency” laws by decree with no parliamentary scrutiny. With Doris being overly influenced by princess nutnuts and her mates, what could possibly go wrong? That paragon of integrity and transparency, Tony Bliar, who was allegedly behind the one shot vaccine gamble – hopefully one that pays off – is now being tasked with vaccine passports. ID cards by the back door, not that it worries me as too immobile to need one. The weather/channel should be calm this weekend so expect to see more visitors from the virus infested Calais camps paddling our way. Many will be put up in four star hotels, full board for free. Our returning legal citizens have to pay £1750  to stay in a three star hotel with dodgy, unfiltered air conditioning. You couldn’t make it up.

    #140832 Reply
    fwippers
    Participant

    We have seen the governments approach to Covid, and, after reflection, I give it the thumbs up. I would have preferred delaying school opening until after Easter, and by bring the Easter holidays forward 1 week this would mean a loss of only 2 weeks. With holidays off the menu, logistically this would be straightforward and even allow for teachers to be vaccinated. This is the problem when politicians get tied down by dates. The rest, subject to date seems logical, and if the latest efficacy data for both vaccines is accurate, I believe that there is light at the end of the tunnel and I feel more positive than I have for some time, whilst being aware mutations could still throw a spanner in the works, but hopefully not. There will still be a small risk, as with many things in life but the future is starting to look a lot more positive. Maybe the icing on the cake will be the return of the Rexton to Motability!

    #140957 Reply
    Menorca Mike
    Participant

    Had Pfizer vaccine this morning lovely staff very kind indeed

    BBC Breakfast expert, Toyota CHR driver.

    #140981 Reply
    joss
    Moderator

    Get ready for a stiff and sore arm then MM.

    Joss
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    #140989 Reply
    Oscarmax
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    Had Pfizer vaccine this morning lovely staff very kind indeed

    Has my Pfizer yesterday no side effects all went superb, and yes I have sore arm.


    In 2005 I suffered a brain injury which has left me with mental and physical disabilities.
    Unfortunately I do get confused and get things wrong, so I apologise in advance.

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