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Let’s not forget it’s your money they are giving you back. Minus the millions they are giving to good causes. We should rename it the Motability Lotto!
Yep I was thinking just that earlier and the huge profits they have made. I Reckon the next 6 months figures when released, profits will be even larger and was a large factor in me leaving the scheme, as my wife recently started working again. So I won’t be able to apply for a grant either now?
That was just over a year ago and now the PIP renewal forms have just plopped through my door. If successful, I will be challenging it again.
Oh no not the dreaded brown envelope. Hope you are sucessful with it
I got extended for longer last time and i don’t know when that letter will drop as my award has no end date.
Just as much stress not knowing when, but it’s crazy the constant assessments we go thru and how they try to trip you up.
I’d be ok should I choose come off the scheme. It would depend whats cars are on the scheme, but I’m not going to be forking out silly AP’s, when I could buy one and keep it 5yrs or more and still have some capital leftat the end.
Absolutely, So hard to justify paying current ap’s and having nothing to show for it after 3 years.
I also plan to keep it longer than I would any car on the scheme. Min of 5 years but looking at the way thing’s are going, I may keep it for 20 years. One owner from new. Which will be alot better for the environment than having 7 new cars built on the scheme over the next 21 years? mulitply that by 640k customers and thats a lot of cars, almost 4.5 milion cars.
Only been doing around 5/6k a year lately under half the miles we was doing. So in 10 years i may have 50k or 60k on the clock. So again that’s another factor in our decsion.
If you doing more miles it maybe better to lease on the scheme but if you not it’s even more money to mbo at the end of the day.
I cannot be doing without an auto.
If you have not ever cancelled your lease early, they only charged me £50 to leave the scheme and hand back the car early. In your case I think you could order another car due to your condition change and now needing an automatic, but as you say you won’t apply for a grant again but to stay on scheme you may have to. Guess it depends on our position.
I am liking the Vitara alot done almost 1,000 miles in it now. Like any car it has a few minor things I’d prefer but all in all, I am very happy with my choice.
Obviously They’ve stopped doing the 0% and it’s now 6.9% but they are giving a Deposit contribution of £2,000.00. The bonus was i only had to wait 4 weeks for it and in your case where you need to change due to your condition a long wait is not really a good option, as it wasn’t really for us getting a car on the scheme. I probally wouldn’t of looked at it on the scheme, but it does tick all my main boxes.
My wife really finds it a lot easier to get in and out of as do I.
I could of gone for the new full hybrid, but it’s alot slower, although it gives better mileage around town and the FH has a manual gb that’s auto and what is the point in that as you get a delay just as you do with a manual finding the biting point only hydraulic’s do it not your foot.
Cheaper though for them than an auto and maybe due to parts problems a solution. Not for me though.
Yet they can give away 50 million to other causes that have nothing to do with the mobility scheme at all.
I totally get where your coming from kezo and it seems very hit and miss with regard to the experience people get from the grants team.
Like everything in life you must paint a picture to them of your worst day and talking about one’s condition, constantly over and over adds to our mental stress.
For that reason I have never applied for a grant when, maybe I should have and would have had to with the current hight ap’s to justify a car on the scheme.
I left the scheme recently, due to a mulitude of reasons stacking in favour of car ownership over leasing for me.
I guess the HYUNDAI KONA ELECTRIC HATCHBACK 100KW PREMIUM 39KWH 5DR AUTO £399
It is the lower range version at 189miles as the longer range is not available to under 25s. might be the best option on the scheme.
Seems the case is, that under 25’s ain’t allowed to go far at all on one charge. It probally has to do with the added cost of the larger battery and weight of the car, but imo it’s more restrictive than before for under 25’s who want to go green.
When you disregard small cars as for many a small car just won’t work for them.
6 electric, No plugin hybrids & 3 hybrids
TOYOTA C-HR HATCHBACK 1.8 HYBRID ICON 5DR CVT at £1895 ap and 2k or 2.1k for next 2 trims. levels.
Do you get a free millage allowance with fuel duty, no is the answer. So why would they give people a free allowance, after all it’s about raising lost revenue and I see cost rising as the debt is rising and the intrest on that debt will rise also and it will will be used as a tool to force people of the roads.
Yet other industry insiders say the ongoing short supply of new models – and customers being quoted extensive waiting periods of up to two years for orders of some cars – is what is triggering drivers to put their purchases on hold.
So I doubt it at all..I looked at buying a used car off the scheme, but it wasn’t that much more to get one brand new, so that’s what i did. I see price’s of new cars rising more as it costs them more to produce them and their making less than before but making more profits. The chip shortage clearly is about alack of resources to do everything and that will become more and more apparent with ev’s imo.
I got a great deal on my car also as it was 0% apr and I just knew interest rates would rise.
What you will be able to get is the most uneconomical versions on the scheme that no one wants and for others like evs longer waits, as people habits are forced to change and this is what this is all about..
Forcing the green agenda, many just really don’t want to do it and cannot afford to do.. you will own nothing and be happy. This has been happening for years just they been hiding it and need crisis after crisis to blame for what is coming on a global scale.
Rox, for all your valiant effort. I don’t think Mo is going to change his opinion.
Thx, I won’t lose any sleep over it? Next he’ll say it’s against our human rights not to get a G-wagon on the scheme.
by the way folks, thats a joke? ha-ha
You can extend the lease for 5 years, So i would imagine if nothing is suitable right now, they would extend it till sept 2023.
As kezo says best to phone and talk to them.
Another thing to remember is that you will get a one off new car payment of £250 on top of any gcb but after you get the next car, so you have to put up any ap 1st which for some is not easy right now.
Recently i just left the scheme and got my own car and i guess that might be the option for you if you need a diesel and nothing is available on the scheme when that time comes even if they do extend.
I can see the same issue moving forward for many and having to pick something else, hybrids will still be sold till 2035 but i see many will just make ev’s.
I don’t know why you cannot search via mpg anymore so have to look at all cars to see the mpg and which petrol maybe a good options for you over others available.
I did a search upt0 1k ap / no small cars/ under 25/ and was only 14 cars https://tinyurl.com/5sjm3bjy
just over 1k is the HYUNDAI KONA ELECTRIC HATCHBACK 150KW PREMIUM 64KWH 5DR AUTO if you have a driveway then an ev might work for you depends on the mileage you need to do, but has a Range of 484 km or (300 miles) where as the cheaper version has only around 189 miles range.
The last 2 new cars I have paid, a deposit on one(as a retail customer) and the other an advance payment on the scheme, at 2 separate dealers and manufacturers and they would not accept cash, one would not allow a card payment over x amount which the AP was so it had to be a bank transfer. Never mind for the full amount of the car.
My local vw dealer which is part of the vertu group don’t accept cash at all now, not even to pay for servicing.
Many companies do not take cash or accept cash, even my local kfc. When we was at the seaside many businesses didn’t accept card payment either. The point is it’s not discrimination and not against the law to do so.
Or all these companies who are, would not be doing so would they.
Where I believe a business cannot refuse or stiplicate a method of payment is to service a debt, when for example you put petrol in your tank before paying. That’s why a current youtuber can and has used £20 for £20 coins, £50 for £50 coins or even the £100 coin to pay for fuel as i believe it’s considered a debt once you’ve put it in your tank. He has been arrested and got a payout from the police for wrongful arrest, kidnap and assault around 5k i believe.
Just like it’s not law that a seller must sell to you at a lower price than a retail customers because of a disability, which might be the case in some instances with mbo as that price is arranged with the manufacturer not the dealer and not us the users of the scheme.
The cars they have in stock for example, they have bought themselves and have no contract to supply them to mbo at a reduced cost, unless they want and choose to do so. As they are not contractually obligated to do so.
However you can order a car and have not been refused service as you can place a factory order just like the dealer did to get the cars it bought from the manufacturer, albeit on credit and in 30days then they start to pay interest on those cars they have not settled up on. So they might decide to offer reductions or contributions towards an advance payment to sell those cars, which they are under no contractual obligation to do so.
However you cannot order a car not on the scheme via the scheme, mbo won’t allow it as there is no contract in place to do so between mbo and that manufacturer.
However you can purchase that car yourself as i did off the scheme, also the car was not listed on the scheme. So again i was not refused service as a disbabled customer.
You enter a contract with mbo to lease a car over a 3 year period and the dealer acts as a broker of that deal for a fee on cars he’s contracted to do so on.
It’s contract law I would say, one would need to look at the agreement with mbo we have to lease a car that they purchase, not us the leasee and the contract between a manufacturer and mbo, goodluck with getting hold of that.
We have a contract with mbo not the dealer or manufacturer, when mbo buy the car on your behalf at a pre-arranged price and then leasee it for you. The dealer takes any ap due and gives it to mbo.
As other have said regarding the law you can quote it but it don’t mean it applies.
Ford in this case or the person you spoke to, maybe don’t want to come foul of the law (that they might not fully know) or make the company look bad, so will apologise, and maybe offer a solution. As most companies will do in the current climate. If you was to take them to court or try take legal action it would be a different story.
Refusing you service, is for instance, not allowing a person with disabilities service for example if they cannot wear a face mask and you don’t allow them to enter or not making it accessable for them.
Not because they won’t accept your terms that you think should be applied to you under the law. A court will decide that and has in many case and in other’s found it was not against the law.
Some don’t get to court either, but with disabilities many do as those bringing the case want a precedent to be set.
Is there any case regarding this situation mentioned, setting a precedent you can refer to. To back up your claim of discrimination, anythimg else is just what anyone think’s or their interpretation of the law only a ruling on the law is fact, but even that could be overturned on appeal.
I am disabled and got a car within 4 weeks, just not on the scheme and at 0% apr. It’s not discrimination to decline your method of payment, as most dealers don’t accept cash now.
Same for cars that on the scheme you can get one if you order one and wait till it’s delivered. If it’s not on the scheme thats due to mbo not being able to agree the discounts they need and get the cars at.. Tha’s not discrimation. Them not allowing you to order or buying it retail like other customers would be discrimation, not giving you preferential treatment.
I recently got a new suzuki Vitara mhev (off the scheme) and really like the regeneration when coasting or braking and every time I go down a hill I take my foot of the gas and it’s great seeing the bars go up. Actually got the 48v battery full today 5 bars as I turned of the aircon.
It then uses that battery power to give a boost when needed and to restart the stop start system (which is instant) which is something I hated before on other cars, i’ve had with stop/start as there was a delay and it runs stuff when the cars engine is off. You can set the aircon to eco, standard or comfort when stop start is on also..
Guess what i don’t like is that? as it doesn’t have an electronic handbrake when you use adaptive cruise and come to a total stop behind a car, it then cannot hold the car without you putting your foot on the brake and if you remove your foot from the brake pedal, say you put it in N and put handbrake on the engine starts.
But hey ho i got used to that now, just how it is, no cars perfect imo. Everything else i really like alot and very happy with my choice as it’s something i might keep for as long as it’s viable to do so.
Resources being saved and are limited and they need to lower their co2 footprints by making less cars and only the premium cars will be built, that make them the most Profits and are unaffordbale for many and not on the scheme even though mbo have increased the cap to £7k, I don’t see it going back to how it was as they don’t want the average person having their own car.
Jojoe be careful what you wish for, as one is not better than the other regarding the nhs and the Private finance initiative as an example of that it was started by john major but Tony blair took it to a whole new level.
Meanwhile our local hospital will have spent six times the amount on the contract to refurbish and service the site than it actually costs, by the time payments are complete.
The project cost developers £326 million but, by the time it is paid off, interest and fees will take it the money forked out by NHS Sherwood Forest Hospitals to just over £2 billion. That’s payday lender rates if you ask me.
In 2017 there were around 700 PFI schemes in Britain, with an estimated capital value of about £59 bn but which cost taxpayers over £308 bn.
By 2050, when the NHS makes its final payment for the 118 PFI schemes to build or redevelop hospitals in England and Wales, it will have shelled out £78.3billion.
In the context of the NHS, the contract between a SPV and an NHS Trust can be for as long as 60 or even 100 years. The difference between the original cost of a building and what the Trust will have paid by the end of the contract is usually massive: there are instances where some NHS Trusts are paying almost 12 times the initial sum borrowed. It means that while investors in PFI schemes make extraordinary profits –sometimes as much as 40 to 70% in annual returns – the NHS Trusts involved have less money available in their operational budget for equipment, staffing and patient care and are therefore cutting services. Increasingly, Trusts with PFI contracts are going into financial deficit.
Take, for example, Bart’s Health, the biggest NHS Trust in England, which entered into a 35 year PFI contract for the provision of new medical facilities at two of its sites. The new buildings came into service in 2012. The cost of providing the facilities was £1.15 billion but with the cost of inflation-linked repayments rising every year, the total cost to the Trust will be £7 billion by the end of the contract. In 2015 alone, repayments will amount to £143.6 million, with the Trust running a budget deficit of over £90 million. In the same year, the Trust received one of the worst inspection reports ever issued by the Care Quality Commission (CQC). The CQC, which had previously placed the Trust in to Special Measures, rated services at Barts Health as ‘Inadequate’: concerns included poor patient safety, a high rate of cancelled operations, and high levels of stress and low morale amongst staff.
So that the reason the nhs is in the state it’s in and where the money goe’s.
Can be as simple as bad code and when the perimeters are met and no what if is defined then you’ll get issues bugs and crashes. like on the c4 i had the infotainment system would crash and was no way to reboot it only turning off the car and restarting, which cannot be done on a motorway say and it controlled alot of the cars functions. On the golf you could hold the power button for 10 secs then it would reboot.
That will be the big problem with having no wing mirrors and camera’s if they glitch what then?
I did have a problem with my golf, when i stopped at lights (with no car in front) and had been using adaptive cruise. When lights went green and you put your foot on the gas or press resume the engine would roar and the car would go nowhere and you’d smell burning clutch and get beeped from cars behind.
You had to turn off ignition then then restart the car. Didn’t happen all the time either, dealer could not find a fault or replicate it. Anyhow there was a software/firmware update due, they did it and it never happened again. Peresonally i think it was an issue with auto hold and acc being on and it not being deactivated when pressing the peddle or the button.
Many cars seem to have software issues, few seem to have mechanical issues thesedays and some electrical like the stop/start frying the battery ? also happened on the golf, rac came put a more powerful newer one on it and it did not have an issue at all after that. That’s the only breakdown I’ve had on 4 scheme cars and any other new cars I have bought. You can get the occasional lemon off the production line and i do agree right now seems there could be more than usual.
That’s pretty crazy pricing, The car I recently bought off the scheme came in white as standard, so I picked white. No way would I pay extra for paint and have never done on the 4 cars I have had on the scheme.
My 1st was a Nissan QQ in Gun Metallic.
Seems though they all doing it right now and some imo, come in nasty colours as standard. So i was happy with white, The mrs hates white cars, but she actually likes this one and when I told her on ordering, that to get any other colour would be £500+ more she agreed I’d made a good choice.
My last two cars on the scheme have been pearls and was at no extra cost a Golf and a Civic. looked great in the sun, but if I had to pay extra it would of been a No.
I guess that’s one reason why, Certain cars i have dismissed from my shortlist if they not local, as servicing and any problems that arise is a bigger issue, than if the dealer was closer and even more so with the cost of fuel right now. Say the rubber starts coming of the wiper blade, i just pop into the dealers and they fix it, if it was a 100 mile trip may as well just fix it yourself. So is definitely something i have advised other on.
It’s ok to buy from a dealer far away as long as you can get it serviced near by unless it might become more expensive and time consuming than it should be and especially in steve’s case having issues from new only compounds that problem of the distance.
I get for some there none local at all, like where i used to live, when i first joined the scheme. but for me there quite a few local to pick from but others like seat, bmw, Mercedes, mini, fiat and others are not.
In the uk 15% of the co2 comes from cars and 20% from our homes, where does the other 65% come from and what really is being done about it, or is it just us the people who must lower our usage and output and be net zero by 2050.
Rain forrest the size of new york was removed from the amazon recently and it seems we are removing nature’s solution and looking at installing mechanical one’s, Which need more energy creating them and it cannot just be created without using energy to create it and then to maintain that infrastructure it all cost$$$ and who making it..
Industry is the biggest creator of co2, making an ev creates more co2 and only after x years does it become better than fossil fuel. The real solution right now would be to keep the cars we have made already for as long as possible rather than scrapping them or changing them every 3 years, like on the scheme.
Getting a new car is not good for the planet, but it is good for the profits. It’s another reason I decided to leave the scheme recently and buy a car and keep it for longer, how long really does depend on many factors but no longer will i be looking to swap, just for the sake of it or I feel like a having new car.
In real terms globally co2 levels rose 6% in 2021, Increased use of coal was the main factor driving up global energy-related CO2 emissions by over 2 billion tonnes, their largest ever annual rise in absolute terms.
I see this only getting worse as right now it’s make more sense to use coal over gas due it’s costs to create energy, all they care about is their margins, profits and dividends.
I personally don’t see it improving, Average car prices have risen in the last few years some by 26% and will rise further soon. They have been selling less cars, but making their biggest ever profit margins and that’s not going to change as they won’t go back to old model as flippers says.
The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. Our living standards must go down to meet those of the 3rd world, not them coming up to meet our living standards, thats what leveling up really means. They creating the chaos as they always do, so they can offer the pre planed solutions. All goverments do is implement the agenda and reach the targets setout by the elites and they not shy in saying so, only you won’t here it in the mainstream media as they part of the cabal and was invited to davos also.
Like the move to net 0% by 2050 but the reality is that globally gases rose by 6% this year. So whatever has been done to go green is doing nothing at all, as they say it should be… as that’s not what it’s really about. charging us more is what it’s about, having more and more contol over us is what it’s about.
We won’t see many discounts on the ap’s by dealers either in the future. It won’t be long till there’s less than 500 cars on the scheme. Hey I hope i am wrong, but the cost of living crisis is by design and then it will be another and another crisis until the global objective of one currency anda global goverment is met and for that to happen the great reset must happen and to build back better they must destroy, but without getting the blame for it all, they use some fall guy, have a war and again and again it happens.
What is scary is how quickly we are conditioned to what they say and the agenda they push and believe it as the some do the gospel etc. What if one person owned all the farmland, like bill gates. We won’t be worrring about our next car that’s for sure but your next meal and insects will be the menu over meat. They will say it’s better for the planet, but it will be better for their pockets and worse for ours.
They will destroy you so they can buy you up for 1c in the $, How can you trust in them if they can do that and worse. That’s the plan with the dutch farmers and In Sri Lanka, Organic Farming Went Catastrophically Wrong A nationwide experiment is abandoned after producing only misery. Think it won’t effect you it will as times have change and not for the better.
Funny though how the conservatives have had women leaders and prime ministers yet labour have not.
How short people’s memories are that in the last labour leader ballot, was it not the only man that won and some of female’s running was asking for him not to run so it could only be a women that won.. Lets not mention the women only shortlists for mp’s seats also.. Yet it’s only the other party that has selected women to lead their party.
They all as bad as each other why, because they work for the same master’s. They cause chaos, so then they can offer the solutions already set out and which are completely different to what they tell the people. it’s all an illusion to make us think it’s real and they work for the voters and to divert attention.
If you’re not part of the cabal you’d not get anywhere near being an mp for a mainstream party. never mind being the leader. The next person is always worse and then they go and are replaced by the next rabbit in the headlights.
If sunak don’t get to be pm it’s because they’re racist, is about where we are in society today and is his trump card, How did he get into the party and put forward as an mp if they racists.
Not that he was at the helm that got us into this mess, he says he will tackle inflation and will not lower taxes but how will he when it’s a global issue and it was on his watch it started rising. Oct if energy goes up maybe by 60% thats 114% in a year. Not like they can hide it anymore, cannot really make a mars bar any smaller can they. The great reset is coming and who will be left holding the can and get the blame not those before the one holding the can when it happens.
So let me see if I got this right, there going to put all the options in the cars under the hope that some time in the future that someone owning that car may subscribe to a particular spec and pay a monthly fee to use the option. Not very environmental friendly and strange they can waste all these valuable materials and micro chips going into their cars that may never get used.
Exactly that ChrisK, crazy when you think about it? Also vw’s ceo was also saying the same a while ago now, so it’s not just BMW, seems it’s their goto premium model for the future. Audi said they concentrating on premium models also and not making the a1 or q2 anymore. but hey ho like those at the top of the chain really care, but we at the bottom must do as they say.
I had a bicycle pedal go down one side of my 1st scheme car, looked pretty bad. Rang RSAM and as was down not down to metal decided it would be left to the end of lease and I got the full gcb, didn’t pay no excess either.
Then on latest car I just give back it had a scratch all the way down the drivers side doors where I think someone keyed it, again it was not down to the metal and also someone reversed into the rear bumper with a tow bar and left a golf ball size indentation right on the edge, again I got my full gcb.
So imo unless it’s down to metal or major damage, ie cracked or broken or big dents it should not be an issue with the body work, regarding the gcb.
However you say the light is broken, this will probally need fixing if any of the bulb is showing or even if it’s just cracked water may get in it and that may cause further issues. One may even get pulled by the police depends how bad it is..
What they gonna do hide the panoramic roof, duh?
I should of been more clear just for you rene, mr triggered.
What comes on a certain trim level is what comes on that trim level and works.
Pretty much that is the difference between vw and seat and their offerings vw you must add stuff to a certain trim level and seat you pretty much cannot add anything to the trim level.
My vw was a golf match and i leased it via the scheme, so why would i add extra’s being on the scheme, if you wanna do that thats up to you, but then i got a honda sport and everything that was on it worked, unlike on the vw the same as on my suzuki I just bought off the scheme.
The one problem i had on the golf was the heated seats were very uncomfortable after 30 mins or more of sitting in them, and 2 other golf owners in my family have not got the heated seats and all my brothers said the same when we went acrross europe in it? the back seats did not do the same and was not heated.
Am i saying all cars are the same no i am not, but just that all the seats, will be in this model and then the lack of choice if you don’t want heated seats, you got them as they are there. Thats the issue.
So you are being forced to have the car with the heated seats, even if you don’t use them or pay for them to be activated, as the next owner may want them. They could just buy that model with the heated seat’s.
So if are you saying it makes no difference that is not exactly true is it? people been having problems with volvo seat’s also and i don’t think a one seat fits all is a good approach for car makers to take at all..
Yep said this ages ago, and low and behold it’s now their model, put everything on everycar and make people pay for each function. Where as other companies give you pretty much everything as standard.
Who you gonna go with, I know who i went with and it wasn’t some german car maker and never would again as way to many buttons you press you get a message sorry you need to contact your dealer to unlock this option, like andriod auto, voice recognition now heated seats, steering wheel, watch air con will be next?
