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Unfortunately we tow a 1500kg caravan there is nothing on the scheme that suit our particular needs, hopefully we will be allowed at the end of our 3 year lease in June 2023 to extend for another 2 years ? The alternative is we sell and give up caravanning or leave the scheme ?
99.99% they will allow you to extend rather than leaving the scheme, but after the 5 years they won’t care one bit about you being mobile and your needs.
I hate caravans he he only kidding, but you should not be thinking to give it up as stuff on the scheme or ev’s will not do the job.
Life is for living and it’s obvious you love the caravanning as per you many post about it on this forum. Maybe though it might be better to look at other alternatives sooner rather than later and if something looks good of the scheme then jump on it.
Failing that you could just get something to tow the caravan and a small ev for everyday stuff and stay on the scheme, as you do have offroad parking and the ability to charge at home at lower costs and the money you do save would help towards the costs of a tank just to tow the van. All might change moving forward as to the costs of EV’s but one things for sure with policies of 2030/2035 options on the scheme will be limited and many cars will not be on the scheme as they are just way to high in price to be and many manufacturers will concentrate on those premium models and maybe even drop those below. Like audi plan to do.
I have never said it was farmer’s that are setting the prices, you assumed, far from it.
I said “while at the same time companies made packs smaller or paid less for the products in a cartel price set by some regulator or body, like for example with milk and the farmers.
It’s Market manipulation and the farmers are the bottom of the chain and thus cannot manipulate the market. Unless they create their own market and sell direct like in their farm shop, who can they sell products to apart from the big few, to sell to the masses and controlled by multinational’s or regulator’s Who have for example kept the price of milk low for whatever reason, it is the case and fact.
As to why that’s another long discussion some of which you touched upon.
Maybe I should of made it clear, But the facts remain, it is no conspiracy theory.
The wef is pushing a globalist agenda and the fact that many of their young leaders are now leader’s of many countries around the world. They even said we have our people in place’s of power all over the world.
Even putin was a young wef leader, as was boris, as is the NZ pm, as is Trudeau and many other’s. Even the msm are part of it all. Who owns all these companies and mutli nationals and the private central banks and draws up the plans for goverment’s to implement and lets not forget the UN either with agenda 21/2030.
https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/outcomedocuments/agenda21
Agenda 21 is a comprehensive plan of action to be taken globally, nationally and locally by organizations of the United Nations System, Governments, and Major Groups in every area in which human impacts on the environment.
Even us in the Uk follow the UN charters and agenda setout. I have even heard mp’s ask in parliament what the goverment of the day, is doing to meet un targets and charters setout. So yep it does effect us even being outside the EU.
Maybe you should get your head out of where ever it is and have a good look at what’s happening around outside your farming world and look at the bigger picture, before it’s to late.
The wef is not an eu institution it’s a global institution headed by their leader, also they have a farming plan for africa also and many other plans for us, who many say are conspiracy theory but are soon becoming reality.
It’s so easy to say it all a conspiracy theory and just ignore the hard truth when it’s seems it become reality pretty quickly these days. Just as the dutch farmers and the reason for their protests https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62335287
Dutch government proposals for tackling nitrogen emissions indicate a radical cut in livestock – they estimate 11,200 farms will have to close and another 17,600 farmers will have to significantly reduce their livestock.
Other proposals include a reduction in intensive farming and the conversion to sustainable “green farms”. and those in Northern Ireland and ireland are finding out the same Irish farmers could be forced to cull cattle to meet climate goals.Irish farmers could be forced into bankruptcy by climate targets. who’s buying up the land, well the wef did say it would buy up all the land of the dutch farmer’s and bill gates now own’s the most land in america and also is heavily invested in lab grown meat as are many other’s of the elite.
So really I am coming from the same place, I’m not against farmers I am against the globist agenda being pushed in the name of climate change and other crisis’s that popup one after another and are created to cause chaos, so they can offer the solutions. Which is always more restrictions and control and not to support farmer but to destroy them as to build back better you must first destroy something.
At the heart of the 2030 Agenda are five critical dimensions: people, prosperity, planet, partnership and peace, also known as the 5Ps. It’s all a scam to make us think, they care yet in Ukraine i not herad once a call for peace only more weapons and war as it creates the instabilities and the action they took during covid and the actions they taking in this energy crisis. we become more and more dependant on them for everything and can do or say nothing about it as that’s now misinformation or may cause offense to someone or your a denier and the evidence is irrefutable, only none was really provided and our kids are being groomed to the cause, which is more like a cult. That’s another part of it all but not for this discussion.
Lets not forget sri lanka and their farmers An experiment that went badly wrong. In the spring of 2021, President Rajapaksa made an unusual decision: He banned synthetic fertilizer and pesticide imports practically overnight, forcing Sri Lanka’s millions of farmers to go organic. It proved disastrous, as a group of Sri Lankan scientists and agriculture experts had warned.
The widespread use of agrochemicals pollutes arable soil; United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) data show global pesticide use per unit of crop soil increased 75% between 1990 and 2016. This has made the case for organic farming increasingly popular, with advocates arguing that traditional farming methods are just as effective and far more sustainable and safe.
You did what they told you to do and then it was all wrong, it was the plan all along. Pretty much how we was told diesel’s was better and then it turned out they was not. How quickly we forget.
Seem’s though that following the UN advice crops failed, but i guess that’s where more GM crops will come in or as with the wef plans they will control global farming and whats grown and what we all eat, bugs an all.
Only thing is, I bet it won’t apply to them.
Now this article also tells us it’s happening globally, The real plan is to force farmers to give up farming and hand over the control of the land to them.
Henry Kissinger: “Control oil and you control nations; control food and you control the people.”
Many farmers have already soldout or stopped farming and use the land for solar energy or to grow crops for fuel additives, which now we need more of due to the E10 fuel over E5 and less food is grown as there is only so much land especially in the uk.
I hope I and many other’s are wrong, but over the last years I have seen it slowly rollout from all angles and the wef are heading it as the 1% control the world and they want ulimate control. It has nothing to do with being in or out of the the EU and what you believe will sadly many’s downfall.
No one care’s until it directly effect them, like with the cost of food and energy it’s all part of the plan for us to own nothing and be happy. The thing is how will they achieve that goal or prediction that they the wef want to come true.
All the points you make are good but, they all going to force many to do what they want. Same as the cost of living it will force people to use less and watch how it makes no difference, they will then want more. How much effect has what we done so far had on the planet, None, infact temperatures according to them have risen and they predict will rise. The planet has been warmer and colder than now, water levels have been much higher bujt they going by the last 100 years of records. geologist have a different view but that doen’t meet the agenda so they wrong. At 1st it was global warming but it was proven it wasn’t and the data used was incorrect, so then they called it climate change as you cannot argue with that, as the climate doe’s change. I agree we must protect the planet but lets stop creating and using plastic and lets stop follow the one’s that got us into the so called mess in the 1st place.
They want us against each other not united, as when we unite they are scared. Although it’s getting harder to fight back as the truck drivers in canada foundout, they stop your money and freeze all you accounts and that’s another goal they have a cashless society.
Yeah I am so talking out of my rear, just like you have no real clue as to how those you think helping you will be plotting your ulitimate demise, so they can benefit and profit and enslave us all to them. The technocrat’s will save the world, nope they will destroy it as many civilizations of the world have done to themselves in the past we will do the same again.
Her’s a recent decsiision of the wef site free to all to watch all out in the open.
Food and Energy: Tackling a Global Resource Crisis
https://www.weforum.org/events/sustainable-development-impact-meetings-2022
Whatever they push is is the globalist agenda and in this video they say so and are not shy in saying so.
I was holding out for Oct and see what gives, but i am not holding my breath on it. We also did the 2 year extend and that is about to end,with what is available and the crazy high AP’s we are now looking to go the finance route, 17 years nrly on the scheme and for the majority of it has been a pleasant experience, gone are the days of over 2k cars to choose from down to what little over 500? Think the question should be asked that is it really fit for purpose now?
Totally feel for you Stevie and in your postion the options are limited, dunno what car you have but i am guessing there’s nothing similar on the scheme thats suitable or at a price you can justify leasing.
I do not regret my decsion, but it is what was best for us and like yourself it might be best for you. I have seen this slowly happening over the years of being on the scheme and it’s becoming less and less viable. Not because you’ll get cheaper over a 3 year term else where but for many other reason that are also important.
For me also I’m not doing the mileage I was and I might only do 25k over the next 5 years and that’s a waste on the scheme where before i was doing close to or over 40k over the 3 years.
In my car before i joined the scheme we did over 100k in it. On the scheme stuff has cahnged and most I have done is 43k.
On the scheme you get a 20k allowance per year so if your kona takes longer to arrive then I would guess you would get millage pro-rata 1,666 miles a month.
Personally right now I am only doing 5k to 6k max a year so 15k/18k over 3 years and is another reason of many as to why i recently left the scheme.
In your case it make sense due to the high mileage. but for me in 5 years I may of only done 25k in 10 years 50k and the car should still be good for a few more as newer cars seem tighter for longer.
Totally, if you consider Mb has 600k users, then that rise in benefit is worth an addded £201,240,000 this year. Although some say there is over 1 million claimaints that don’t use the scheme. There huge sums of money we talking about, all from the pockets of the disabled.
For me, I am plannning ahead and that’s hard to do being on the scheme as your caught in a trap to some degree and nothing to show for it at the end of the lease.
For many though the high ap’s are just not justifiable or affordable and hopefully it will be better in 2 years but I don’t see it being any better as we move towards 2030/35.
I see this as the new normal. Maybe more will, have to apply for grants or they will have to reduce the threeshold, but it still remains you need to apply for it and supply the info many don’t want to have too.
My wife just went back to work so I doubt we’d get a grant now either.
Many are going to have to leave or get something smaller which is maybe not as suitable for their needs. Which has already happened to a few who extended and reached the 5 years after extending and hoping something would come along, but didn’t and was told to order something now or leave the scheme basically.
It’s a constant worry and struggle to find a car and the ap, which is even harder now they’ve risen alot and there’s only 1/4 of the 2000+ cars there was to pick from.
Hopefully you find something suitable that you like, for an affordable ap during the 2 year extention problem is many are not, or the wait times are so long that they stuck in a car that’s no longer suitable for them for various reasons and is a crisis in the making.
It’s a hard question to really answer and many won’t want to hear it.
Does seem the BEV’S are having the longest waits. Is that to do with the crisis’s or lack of chips or more to do with the rare materials needed over an ice car.
One thing I am sure of this is more the new normal for them and they not going back to over supply as was the model before the crisis’s.
Their selling less cars, but making more profits. Some cars have risen by 26% in the last couple of years. That was before the energy crisis. So i see costs rising even more and that plays along to the agenda being pushed. Which Imo will ultimately lead to less cars on the road and more sharing, until driverless car’s arrive then we won’t be allowed to drive as ai will be safer than humans. although the elite will still do as they do now as money and costs isn’t a problem, they just suck more from us.
Many manufacturers are prioritising their higher ticket cars over the cheaper one’s and that clearly has an effect on the scheme and the average person.
Personally I went the hybrid way, as we don’t have off road parking and charging would be a huge issue and the added cost if you cannot charge at home is huge. I also after 11 years decided to leave the scheme as it was not as viable for me as it once was. That will vary for each person and their needs and requirements.
Especailly so as we move towards no more ice cars being made and i think forcing them to adopt that policy will be the biggest problem for many and is one of the many reason’s, I made my move off the scheme now.
Another was the wait, as the car we had became unsuitable as my wife is also having mobility issues and was hard for her to get in or out of the current car we had and to wait maybe a year and hope it would arrive was not feasible and we got the new car in 4 weeks of the scheme.
That is a question, it really depends on many factors and if it’s a newer car it would or should do better on e10 than an older car but you will get less mpg from it over e5 but the e5 is more expensive. either way it’s another scam to make us pay more for less.
Where it will make a difference and did on my last car (20 plate) was with the power when you put e5 in, it was super quick and seeemed a lot smoother at higher revs. Not surprising though as it had 182 bhp and a vtec engine, so the high content fuel burnt better. It didn’t give a better mpg or it wasn’t that noticable.
So I’d put the occasional tank of e5 in if i was going to be doing a long journey or driving country roads. Omg that was so fun, kind miss it. Now i got a different car, Since june I’ve only put e10 in it. Maybe when price of fuel comes back down i will try some e5 in it and see.
@Dragonfly Many are doing that and it’s increasing MBO profits hugely, as will the benefit rise in april of at least 10% which will be at least £335.40 more a year. That they’ll suck from users of the scheme.
Also MBO will take the same from many for a extended 3 year old car as they do for a new one.
I got no issue’s with people extending as it’s really is some people’s only option right now, but let’s be clear about it and who profiting from it all and still ap’s are rising and rising on the few cars on the scheme.
Many see it getting better, I have heard some high up in the buisness say it’s the new normal and they ain’t going back to the old ways of having surplus stock, which hit’s profit’s. Where right now they selling less cars and making higher profits than ever.
Even during my 11 years on the scheme it never sat right with me to extend or to add extra’s on a car your leasing, as it’s only MBO who benefits in the end and if they put it all back into the scheme that would be ok, but they don’t. It’s like some lottery fund for other causes and projects.
Benefits managed by the Department for Work and Pensions are set to rise by a substantial amount next year. Earlier this year, the benefits were increased by 3.1 per cent.
The rise in April was in line with the inflation level in September 2021. Given the current cost of living crisis and the rate of inflation, it is thought that next year will see a record rise in payments. The Bank of England have predicted that inflation will hit 13.3 per cent next month, meaning that the increase to benefits next year will be substantial.
September’s inflation figure has been predicted to be around 11 or 12 per cent, which is the figure that the DWP will use when setting benefit levels next April. The exact figure will not be disclosed until October when the September consumer price inflation figure is published. But, it is expected to lead to a record rise in benefits next year.
So if lets say it rises by 10% it’s another £6.45 a week or £335.40 a year.
If you just recently started a lease that will be at least £1,006.20 over the next 3 years.
Luckily for me I left the scheme in june, after 11 brilliant years of being on the scheme. It just wasn’t as viable as it was and this extra will make my figures better still, compared to the scheme.
My biggest issues was the high ap’s and lack of cars on the scheme and of course the long waits. Then they suck up even more in the form of these huge rise in our benefit and give money to other charity’s and causes and projects they running rather than back into the scheme. WHY? because they can as they have a monopoly. Cannot wait to see this 6 months accounts and the profits mbo have made from the disabled.
September 18, 2022 at 9:41 pm in reply to: Steering Wheel Lightening and Vehicles with Light Steering #196438Currently I have a Suzuki Vitara, although I didn’t get it on the scheme, but the steering is very light and it has a great turning circle, far better than in my last 4 cars. It doesn’t get heavier as you drive either as on some cars and there is no option to change it. Really am liking it alot.
Likely to be something small or a hybrid.
In my suzuki Vitara mild hybrid. If i didn’t use the acc alot and drove more conservatively around town. I’d more than likely hit 50 mpg, as I’ve averaged 40mpg over 1000 miles combined not even trying to get a low mpg.
Most economical petrol cars of 2022
https://www.carwow.co.uk/economical-cars/petrol
Imo it’s very hard to do a like for like test even on paper for an average as there is so many variables.
Lets do the test in winter not in the summer or do tests 4 times a year and then compare the averages.
There’s always going to be winners and losers in different conditions and types of driving, engines or gearboxes.
The fact remain’s having an ev without the ability to charge at home cheap is expensive and not really viable for many. The comparison in the video was on rapid chargers only and at 69p not the £1 that’s now the highest price of the most popular or available network are charging users.
I think others will follow and charge more, especially when oct comes as we will see rises in energy, just not by as much as we would. Hopefully there no power cuts this winter.
Only goe’s to show you what Mb really cares about and imo it’s not their customers. Is that the abarth tinytim.
Stealth inflation has been going on for ages now,you know what that is,its when you pay the same in money but get less product for your money. Manufacturers just take the public for fools.
They all in it together with the goverments and the wef etc. I been saying this for ages and only now is it coming to bite many, who just didn’t care as at the time it did not effect them and now imo it’s to late to do anything, as is always the case.
They have created the chaos so they can offer the solutions that was already the plan. They printed more and more fiat, while at the same time companies made packs smaller or paid less for the products in a cartel price set by some regulator or body, like for example with milk and the farmers.
If any one is intrested look at this from the wef on https://www3.weforum.org/docs/WEF_Transforming_Food_Systems_with_Farmers_A_Pathway_for_the_EU_2022.pdf
Who is actually running the polices the goveremnts are outlining and putting in place all to meet the gloabist agenda and save the planet via the green agenda, that’s what they say but the reality is very different. when you lok at the whole picture and the control they want over everything.
Fuels cheaper now and many chargers are more expensive but the vid gives you an idea, although how you can compare diesel and petrol at both 50 mpg is beyond me or around town or on the motorway so many variables.
My youngest brother recently swapped to diesel and is saving a huge amount even at higher costs as mostly it’s not urban driving he’s doing.
Maybe next weekend we’ll go visit him as they’ve just had their 1st child, it’s a 380/400 mile round trip. We’ll stay for a few hour’s and they don’t have any off road parking either and nearest charger will be some distance from their house.
Also on that journey i’ll use adaptive cruise most of the time, what effect will that have on a ev’s range. I know it increases my fuel consumption as i just leave it at the set speed and let it do it’s thing, around the speed limit and the journey takes about 3 hours there, if we do stop it’s for a quick leak.
So we would have to charge on the journey adding alot more extra time. Not a big problem in an ICE car but in an ev, it is an issue. Then you return home and then need to charge for tomorrow again the closet charger is too far away and you can only stay for 2 hours in the car park.
Going slower in an ev on motorways is not an option either as it will impact on the time we have to spend seeing them or the time we get home and that will impact on my daughter’s.
Definitely think I’ll be staying with the ice hybrid we just recently bought off the scheme for many year’s, as having an ev would be to much of a hassle and headache. Hopefully we can keep it as long as you’ve had your jazz wigwam.
Not everyone can charge at home and this highlights how Ev’s are just not viable for many who cannot charge at home. What then when many are forced to switch to remain on the scheme or have to leave the scheme or pay huge ap’s to get a plugin hybrid. One thing it is highlighting is how poorly thought-out the policies actually are, or are they meant to be that way?
Key thing Mb said is “If you want to” So I guess you have the options of waiting longer and see if they can fix it.
The problem might come back again and it seem’s right now they don’t know what it is, suggests it’s maybe some sort of programing/code issue as they seem to be the common problems they cannot find or fix.
A new firmware update may solve the issue.
It’s not nice what happened and in the back of your mind will be, will it happen again and that makes you lose all confidence in the car. If it has then it might be best to get something else. Although right now that’s not so easy and the longest waits seem to be for EV’S.
You will get any ap you paid back pro-rata and if you had the car for over a year you will get £250 gcb, 2 years £400.
If you do cancel the contract, where doe’s that leave you till your next car arrives? Might be another factor in you decsion.
You have to cancel your order with the dealer you’ve ordered from before you can order one with another.
I guess if the Dvla for instance insist that the P.O Stamp the certificates, that overrides what those that issue the certificate say or suggest even if they are a manager.
As I said I mentioned not stamping it and it was then a question of do you or don’t you want to tax it and change the class to disabled as to do so they need to stamp the certificate and she explained that it’s to stop someone taxing another car with the same certificate. If you change cars you’ll need to get a new certificate to tax it. If your renewing the tax on the same car then you can use the same certificate. Which doe’s seems to me logical and once you’ve changed the class over at the P.O then you can renew the tax online.
If it had been one of the other P.O staff I would of maybe asked for a second opinion but she is the main person at the P.O, My local P.O and she knows her stuff any queries go to her.
So mein got stamped as they would not process the change of tax without doing so.
As I said was my local P.O And they know me there also. Definitely wasn’t going to make a huge scene over it, although I have done so in the past, when one of the PT staff asked me what I was posting and I refused to say only that it’s not an item on their list of prohibited items. She went and spoke to the lady and came back with a gritted teeth so sorry, thats perfectly ok.
So maybe it depends on the person / P.O you goto to as whether they stamp or not or know really what they doing or not. I am not saying you wrong vinal just that’s what happen when I went to tax it in july.
Better a cvt than one of those automated manual box’s which they’ve put in the new full hybrid Vitara and was another reason I left the scheme when i did as I could get the outgoing MH with the 1.4 boosterjet and the 6 speed auto. Which wasn’t available on the scheme only the FH In auto or the MH in manual. Which for me is no good at all, I also need an auto.
Great that the jazz is still going strong at 18 years.
Personally I think you may as well run it for as long as you can or until sometime you like becomes available. Although it may get harder with more ulez’s and at some point stricter rules, that will force cars of the road.
I’ve come to the conclusion keeping current cars on the road for as long as possible is better for the planet, than replacing them with new ones before their life is over and thats when the repair cost’s are more than the value of the car. Same with changing them on the scheme every 3/5 years. Footprint of a new car is huge, but is good for car sales.
The only other issue I see is if you leave it too long options will be less and less as manufacturers all switch over to hybrids and many just ev’s and many could ditch small city cars altogether and concentrate on more premium products as they no longer have to meet emissions targets setout. So might help if you could consider something nearly new or used rather than new.
I mention this when I did mine but the p.o master said it needed to be stamped and that you can re-tax it every year, but if you need to swap it to another vehicle then you will need another certificate.
I don’t plan to change the car for quite a while. So it’s not really an issue.
How long since you used it vinalspin to put onto another car as protcol may have changed.
RXT all that matters is whats right for you and being informed on any decision you make is key.
Imo there’s nothing wrong with you staying as you are for now and keeping the allowance you’ll get every month for a deposit on a car when your daughters old enough to learn and do lessons and insurance, or when you decide the times right for you. It will build up a little pot at £64.50 a week and in april that will rise again.
The scheme, is quite restrictive for under 25s and many choose not to use it for that reason. Good thing is you have options that before you didn’t. Sure mb gives help with lessons as well.
Part of me doe’s think Ap’s past a certain point are like renting a house over owning your own and I’ve never seen value there for me or can justify spending such an amount on leasing a car or adding extras.
I was lucky getting the 0% deal and I moved quick as I had a feeling rates was going to rise soon.
I was telling my brother the same as he needed a new car (around six months ago) which he uses for work and gets a mileage allowance. Plus recently they just bought a house and a few weeks ago had their 1st child. By the end of the year i predict rates will be at least 3%. so sometimes you gotta give yourself plenty of wiggle room or you might get caught in the bank loan default trap.
That’s whats great about this forum it’s here to help and inform people and only you truely know your full situation, such a shame ap’s have risen so much and the car’s on the scheme are so limited right now never mind the wait for some is verging on ridiculous. It’s definitely for some made it a harder decision than it was.
Is the jazz you have an auto. Maybe the problem with the Aygo is it’s only got 72hp and 0 to 60 in 14.8 sec.
So that engine is gonna work hard when accelerating.
Guessing you want something very small to replace the jazz or is it more of the budget as Maybe the clio could be an option is more £££ but is also a hybrid, or something french as they don’t do cvt’s.
New jazz is a hybrid and is nice also, but they more expensive. skoda ain’t doing the city go and i think the up is only manual right now, micra is a cvt so is limited in options.
If you really don’t like the cvt many in reviewers’ just don’t like auto’s full stop but now I need one, it is what it is all are not perfect compared to manuals imo.
Although when they change gears away from the lights, their cars go backwards, mein keep going.
Not that many auto city cars that ain’t ev’s right now or are not cvt’s.
I really did like the smoothness of the cvt in the civic sport we had and got used to it’s flaws. I kind of miss it as the new car ain’t as smooth and often drops down a gear, or up a gear, when you don’t want it to.
Around 6 million disabled people in the UK will receive their one-off £150 disability Cost of Living payment from 20 September.
Those being paid a qualifying disability benefit will be paid automatically from 20 September, with the vast majority of those eligible expected to receive their one-off payment within a couple of weeks by the beginning of October.
The payment will help disabled people with the rising Cost of Living acknowledging the higher disability-related costs they often face, such as care and mobility needs.
Those who receive the following disability benefits may be eligible for the one-off payment of £150 in September: Disability Living Allowance, Personal Independence Payment, Attendance Allowance, Scottish Disability Benefits (Adult Disability Payment and Child Disability Payment), Armed Forces Independence Payment, Constant Attendance Allowance and War Pension Mobility Supplement.
Those who had confirmed payment of their disability benefit for 25 May are expected to be paid shortly after the payment window opens. For those awaiting confirmation of their disability benefits on 25 May, or who are waiting to be assessed for eligibility to receive disability benefits, the process may take longer but payments will still be automatic.
You must have received a payment (or later receive a payment) of one of these qualifying benefits for 25 May 2022 to get the payment.Likewise, not sure if you getting a new or used car so I’ll give info for both.
How to apply for free tax for the first time
Applying for the first free tax is different from renewing it every year.For new vehicles, you should take the Certificate of Entitlement to the dealership to claim free tax.
For used vehicles, when you first apply for free tax you must also change the vehicle’s tax
class at a Post Office® branch that deals with vehicle tax. You need to take the following
documents:
• V5C vehicle registration certificate (logbook) or the green new keeper slip and
a filled in ‘Application for a vehicle registration certificate’ (V62)
• Certificate of Entitlement to DLA, PIP, CDP, ADP, AFIP or WPMS (please write the
registration number of the vehicle in the top right hand corner)
• vehicles registered with a NI address need a certificate of insurance or cover note
(downloaded or faxed copies are acceptable, photocopies are not), valid on the
day the tax starts
• an original MOT or GVT certificate (if your vehicle needs one)Thinking about it, you could be right. Maybe if you apply for the certificate beforehand then you can put it on the new car right away, but I am not 100% sure.
Maybe someone else knows about thaton the forum but even if i did try to get it beforehand it probally wouldn’t of came in time from the dwp for me to give it to the dealer.
I know for sure you can only have it on 1 car at any time. Maybe best to check with the dealer. I got my new car 75 miles away. So was not close to just pop in and give document’s either, although he did ask if I had the letter and as i didn’t they had to put a year’s tax on, as it was a new car. I did hand my mb car back to them also.
My brother recently bought an ex mb car and he taxed it at the p.o straight after picking it up, as it was still listed as disabled with dvla. For ages he could not pay the dart charge as it was still listed as exempt and I know also that my new car even though at 1st it had normal tax on it.
As I had taken my private plate off the mb car on retention beforehand and dealer put it on it new one. I could not pay the dart charge either as was saying it’s exempt.
But once you hand back the mb car it’s not down to you and you will get a letter from dvla saying as much.
Dvla will also send you the refund of any full months road tax automatically once you tax as disabled, if you do have pay any. Plus I am sure you get a booklet with the certificate with info on it on how to tax a vehicle but it don’t mention transfering from one to another.
I recently left the scheme, got a good deal to good to turn down and it was less than a month before i got the new car. So I had to pay for a years roadtax. Did get a refund in the end of 10 months, but dwp messed me about.
We contacted dwp on the 13th of june the 1st day my partner could call them, after we picked the car up on the 10th of june. They said it would be 7 to 10 days and nothing came.
Called them again and they said wait x amount of days it’s been sent out, Still nothing arrived so it went into another months worth of road tax.
After we called them for the 3rd time they sent another out, it came in a couple of days. As dvla charge you still for the whole month. Which imo is a pure scam as then they getting two lost of roadtax when cars exchange hands as it’s per the person not the car.
I had been on the scheme for 11 years so not had to deal with it since they change it.
So if you can I’d do it before giving the car back, depending on the tax class and amount of your current car.
The minimum you’ll have to pay is one or maybe two months roadtax (unless it’s £0 rated) depends when you giving the car back in the month.
When you pick up a new car the dealer can put it on beforhand, or if it’s used you can go straight to the p.o and put it on if you have the certificate. but like i said it depends on your current cars roadtax and the new ones costs as to which way to do it imo. Either way you gonna have to tax one of the cars.
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