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Well I was on the side of EV’S until I saw how bad the infrastructure is in uk I was even thinking of getting one but now glad I got my petrol Mini. You guys if doing long Journeys need to check out The MacMaster on you tube video of his mate Jeff who bought a Diesel car on facebook for £2600 and it was a BMW and MacMaster Porsche Tycan EV and the nightmare and stress he went through on a trip To see in an honest way if he could beat his mate in his BMW, and a trip from John O’Groats to lands End and guess what Jeff won. Out of order charges too many charging and the grid could not bear the poor infrastructure and the cost unaffordable for most of us unless you charge at home on cheap tariff and do not go very far.
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“How do you get a full charge for £15 on public charge at 59p KWH ?”
By using inverted commas! “ So about £15 for ‘a full tank’ ”
ie, very few times have I parked and charged from <10 miles to the full 200.
So, from a recent receipt, paid £14.58 at Tesla supercharger in Uxbridge for 27 KWH at 54p/KWH which I think is about 120/130 miles top up. Given that I’d charged up at home for ~£10, that’s £25 to do over 300 miles. Previous focus did about 200 miles on £40 of petrol, although that was back when fuel was sky high
I’d imagine most EV owners use charging like we do – leave the house on full charge in the morning, top up once every few weeks on the road on longer trips? My calculation was @7p/KWH on the cheap home tariff it would cost £600 to do 20k miles a year so I don’t mind the occasional boosted cost of a public charge – still cheaper than petrol
Anything on Youtube is a rip off. They are not interested in giving you info, only on getting YOU to watch their garbage.
They got to make it controversial so you can generate nonsense chat.
Oh wait….thats the same as forums isnt it. Feed you crappy Ads while talking shit.
If we can have Hybrids which are petrol with small batteries which will go for say 30 miles and then switch over to the engine which will then re charge the battery, effectively say at 80% petrol 20% battery a lot of the time. . Then why can’t we have EV’s which effectively reverse that and use the batteries the vast majority of the time but also have a small back up engine which would have very limited capacity to recharge the battery but could be used as a backup which would be easier and a lot quicker to fill up in emergency or doggy circumstances where you EV battery may be in danger of running out in a long journey and in which you have less choice in finding a EV charging station. I know it would be extra cost, but in cars that are costing 40 to over 50 thousand pounds anyway.
Of course, these already exist @Callmejohn
Nissan Qashqai ePower, Renault Austral, Mazda MX30 RE, use electric power to drive the wheels but are charged by a small petrol engine and are available on Motability.
The Honda Civic uses similar technology but for some reason is not available on the scheme.
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I know that these two YouTubers have developed a strong dislike of EV’s due to their views on the charging infrastructure, but posters are entitled to question whether now is the right time for them to change to a full EV.
I don’t just read or view negative reviews, I have seen many positive reviews as well. The videos concerned in this thread showed that the condition of roads, roadworks delays and congestion were also a major contributory factor to their problems on their long trip, as well as the patchy charging infrastructure.
If we can have Hybrids which are petrol with small batteries which will go for say 30 miles and then switch over to the engine which will then re charge the battery, effectively say at 80% petrol 20% battery a lot of the time. . Then why can’t we have EV’s which effectively reverse that and use the batteries the vast majority of the time but also have a small back up engine which would have very limited capacity to recharge the battery but could be used as a backup which would be easier and a lot quicker to fill up in emergency or doggy circumstances where you EV battery may be in danger of running out in a long journey and in which you have less choice in finding a EV charging station. I know it would be extra cost, but in cars that are costing 40 to over 50 thousand pounds anyway.
Of course, these already exist @Callmejohn Nissan Qashqai ePower, Renault Austral, Mazda MX30 RE, use electric power to drive the wheels but are charged by a small petrol engine and are available on Motability. The Honda Civic uses similar technology but for some reason is not available on the scheme.
Thanks 72 dudes, that will save me wasting my evening trying to Patent that idea lol.
Of course, these already exist @Callmejohn Nissan Qashqai ePower, Renault Austral, Mazda MX30 RE, use electric power to drive the wheels but are charged by a small petrol engine and are available on Motability. The Honda Civic uses similar technology but for some reason is not available on the scheme.
I’m pretty sure 99% the Austral is more of a traditional hybrid, rather than soley useing its engine as a generator as the Qashqai & Mazda do.
@72Dudes meant to quote you sorry
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@POPS I agree folk can have their own opinions on whether an EV is for them or not… but to say you wouldn’t buy one, and advise others to avoid them, because of one very biased YouTube video is as silly a statement I’ve heard in a long time, if not downright fear mongering.
But to then proclaim the benefits of a petrol car after 1 faulty car destroyed a whole multi storey carpark and hundreds of other vehicles ?♂️
Make the choice between EV & ICE for your own reasons but don’t spread misinformation, and if they don’t know the facts then they should ??
Anything on Youtube is a rip off. They are not interested in giving you info, only on getting YOU to watch their garbage. They got to make it controversial so you can generate nonsense chat. Oh wait….thats the same as forums isnt it. Feed you crappy Ads while talking shit.
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@jo “How do you get a full charge for £15 on public charge at 59p KWH ?” By using inverted commas! “ So about £15 for ‘a full tank’ ” ie, very few times have I parked and charged from <10 miles to the full 200. So, from a recent receipt, paid £14.58 at Tesla supercharger in Uxbridge for 27 KWH at 54p/KWH which I think is about 120/130 miles top up. Given that I’d charged up at home for ~£10, that’s £25 to do over 300 miles. Previous focus did about 200 miles on £40 of petrol, although that was back when fuel was sky high I’d imagine most EV owners use charging like we do – leave the house on full charge in the morning, top up once every few weeks on the road on longer trips? My calculation was @7p/KWH on the cheap home tariff it would cost £600 to do 20k miles a year so I don’t mind the occasional boosted cost of a public charge – still cheaper than petrol
20,000 miles @ 4mile/kWh = 5000kWh x 00.07 = £350
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
Of course, these already exist @Callmejohn Nissan Qashqai ePower, Renault Austral, Mazda MX30 RE, use electric power to drive the wheels but are charged by a small petrol engine and are available on Motability. The Honda Civic uses similar technology but for some reason is not available on the scheme.
I’m pretty sure 99% the Austral is more of a traditional hybrid, rather than soley useing its engine as a generator as the Qashqai & Mazda do. @72Dudes meant to quote you sorry @72 dudes
Yes Kezo, you are correct, my mistake ?
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I’ve done trips all over the UK from Northern Scotland to the Channel ports and charging has never been an issue. The odd charger is broken (I only charge at locations with banks of 4+ chargers when going down South), but I’ve never been stranded. Of course it could be better, just as of course it would be better if motorway service stops charged the same price for fuel as Asda & they all got replaced with clean modern buildings and toilets…
Charging is pretty quick and painless except for the cost, which I just don’t care about as I only have to pay that price when travelling long distances, it’s more than made up for by the bulk of charging at home which is 200 miles for £5.50. And so what if it’s 69p/Kw at Gridserve? on a 600 mile journey it only needs done for about 120kw, so that’s £5.760 + £83 = £88.76. Petrol at £1.50 a litre would give 59 litres, so basically the same price as someone doing 46mpg over that same 600 miles.
NB: I don’t pay full price charging everywhere, the Octopus Electroverse card give a 5% discount for Octopus Go customers and 10% off for Octopus Intelligent, not bothered to include that saving in the above calcs.
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Lee the MacMaster is well known for his ridiculous headlines just to get clicks. He even lied about firstly having a heart attack then possibly having cancer again just to get clicks. If you watch his EV video’s he regularly drives past charging points on purpose just so he can make out that almost ran out of power on a motorway.
I’ve had an EV and yes it does change your routine, so you just plan your day differently. Lee knows this but of course that wouldn’t get him clicks. He over exaggerates everything.
I’ve watched a few of Mac’s EV vids, and it’s almost like acting out of Hollyoaks, when he’s doing anything involving charging etc.
I saw a few minutes of the other chap’s, and I’d imagine they’ll both be appearing on livestream with David & Gareth Icke by 2024.
Of course, these already exist @Callmejohn Nissan Qashqai ePower, Renault Austral, Mazda MX30 RE, use electric power to drive the wheels but are charged by a small petrol engine and are available on Motability. The Honda Civic uses similar technology but for some reason is not available on the scheme.
I’m pretty sure 99% the Austral is more of a traditional hybrid, rather than soley useing its engine as a generator as the Qashqai & Mazda do. @72Dudes meant to quote you sorry @72 dudes
Yes Kezo, you are correct, my mistake ?
The Vauxhall Ampera and Chevrolet Bolt were all electric at the wheels with a 35 mile battery pack and a 1.5l generator. The BMW i3 came with a range extender, 100 ish miles on battery and then a small engine to go on with.
The Nissan ePower works with a minuscule battery and a petrol generator but it can only do a mile or two without petrol. It’s a nice idea but still produces all the emissions of a petrol engine.
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Thanks for trying to give us all the heads up Tim
but many on here are not only on a different page but suspect a whole different book lol
Of course, these already exist @Callmejohn Nissan Qashqai ePower, Renault Austral, Mazda MX30 RE, use electric power to drive the wheels but are charged by a small petrol engine and are available on Motability. The Honda Civic uses similar technology but for some reason is not available on the scheme.
I’m pretty sure 99% the Austral is more of a traditional hybrid, rather than soley useing its engine as a generator as the Qashqai & Mazda do. @72Dudes meant to quote you sorry @72 dudes
Yes Kezo, you are correct, my mistake
The Vauxhall Ampera and Chevrolet Bolt were all electric at the wheels with a 35 mile battery pack and a 1.5l generator. The BMW i3 came with a range extender, 100 ish miles on battery and then a small engine to go on with. The Nissan ePower works with a minuscule battery and a petrol generator but it can only do a mile or two without petrol. It’s a nice idea but still produces all the emissions of a petrol engine.
Yes but, the Ampera was more of a PHEV and needed plugging in to charge up it 16-18kWh battery, which then used a 1.4 engine acting as a generator to keep the battery topped up.
Nissans E-Power is more akin to a HEV as you don’t need to plug it in and uses the engine as a generator, rather than powering the wheels directly to keep the 2.1kW battery topped up.
Has anyone seen Wanted Downunder? You know the show British folk considering moving to Oz, can they survive, will there be work, is there housing and so on. Such jeopardy when millions of people already live there.
A bit like EVs and all the shallow jeopardy of owning one. They are fine, millions of people already drive them.
I have a strict YouTube policy of not watching channels with open mouthed cartoon like faces on the thumbnail. You know they will be spouting ? and it’s just clickbait.
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Well I was on the side of EV’S until I saw how bad the infrastructure is in uk I was even thinking of getting one but now glad I got my petrol Mini. You guys if doing long Journeys need to check out The MacMaster on you tube video of his mate Jeff who bought a Diesel car on facebook for £2600 and it was a BMW and MacMaster Porsche Tycan EV and the nightmare and stress he went through on a trip To see in an honest way if he could beat his mate in his BMW, and a trip from John O’Groats to lands End and guess what Jeff won. Out of order charges too many charging and the grid could not bear the poor infrastructure and the cost unaffordable for most of us unless you charge at home on cheap tariff and do not go very far.
I would suggest that the story has been well told and we all know that a battery will run out of charge and therefore need recharging, this really is not breaking news!!! There will always be people up for EV and those against, using the word SCAM is frankly ridiculous!!Morning, can’t say I’ve seen the vids of the mentioned on YouTube, however I spent decades listening to government’s around the World with it new ideas to clean up pollution of travel, only for it to fail, well so far it seems..
Seen leading car manufactures lying and fiddling figures to seem cleaver, could be called a scam I suppose..
So the word scam and electric well we will have to see I guess..
Hopefully electric this is the answer
I don’t think evs on their own are the answer to a question many belive is not a question.
I think the future will be a mix of BEV, Hydrogen and clean Petrol.
The world has different requirements in each continent and one size doesn’t fit all.
The media attack on EV’s has been astounding. No, if you drive from one end of the country to the other ( how many times has anyone needed to do this?) , an EV is not the best option. Short trips back and forward to work, shops and school is where the EV shines. Charging infrastructure is always going to be a deciding point where YOU live. It’s “horses for courses” in my opinion. The silent, instant torque, emission free driving experience sells it for me. I drive 10 miles to work, 10 miles back , and the rest is the usual local jaunts. I know they’re expensive, but my old Kia Ceed with 91k on it was falling to bits. Logic surely suggests a drive train with no grinding metal cogs , slowly wearing away will last longer.
I would suggest that the story has been well told and we all know that a battery will run out of charge and therefore need recharging, this really is not breaking news!!! There will always be people up for EV and those against, using the word SCAM is frankly ridiculous!!
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