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Well I was on the side of EV’S until I saw how bad the infrastructure is in uk I was even thinking of getting one but now glad I got my petrol Mini. You guys if doing long Journeys need to check out The MacMaster on you tube video of his mate Jeff who bought a Diesel car on facebook for £2600 and it was a BMW and MacMaster Porsche Tycan EV and the nightmare and stress he went through on a trip To see in an honest way if he could beat his mate in his BMW, and a trip from John O’Groats to lands End and guess what Jeff won. Out of order charges too many charging and the grid could not bear the poor infrastructure and the cost unaffordable for most of us unless you charge at home on cheap tariff and do not go very far.
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That video was very carefully done to show the EV in the worst possible light. He completely ignored that the BMW was, apparently, a replacement for the car he planned to use due to breakdown.
The infrastructure has been given a really bad time by a lot of people basing their ‘facts’ on what a mate’s mate said when he had a leaf. With modern EVs hitting 200+ miles a charge there’s no excuse to have difficulty on 99% of your journeys. There’s the odd day when the whole country seems to travel together, when the infrastructure may struggle.
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I watch a lot of Lee’s (MacMaster) videos on YouTube, including his latest challenge with Geoff, but have not been put off going electric.
We mostly do short round town journeys and can charge at home. However 4-5 times a year we do a long run to Cornwall or Dorset, stopping at the same M5 service stations Lee stopped at. The big difference, even with a petrol car, is we always travel early morning or late at night when the roads are quiet.
I’ve been watching the EV chargers at Cullompton and others for the last year and they are never full at the times we go. September just gone, 6am Cullompton, none of the chargers were being used. Also, look at the situation at Gloucester, 4/5 chargers all being used but Lee showed the building work for the 10 chargers that were coming online later this year. Plus, we plan to come of the M5 at Cribbs Causeway where there are dozens of chargers within a square mile.
I would urge people to watch the challenge, you do get an insight into owning an EV, but remember Lee travelled on the M6 late morning and M5 mid / late afternoon.
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I watched the ‘challenge’ yesterday, and for a few minutes it put me off the idea of getting an EV, until it dawned on me that with a bit of planning most of his problems wouldn’t have been an issue. RSymons EV did a similar trip in a Taycan if I remember correctly and I don’t think he had many problems (obviously he loves EV’s though so who knows really…)
For someone who’s bought a £120000 Porsche he doesn’t seem to like EV’s much. I do agree though that even though the cars are great, the infrastructure here isn’t.I was seriously considering an EV this time, Ioniq5. I was lucky enough to get to try one for a week. The car itself fantastic and short journeys ideal. However as my Hospital is 140 mile plus round trip living in North Northumberland and having to travel to Tyneside and back I had to ensure i had enough charge from home in the car or pay silly prices at intermittent chargers. I also tried a trip to Sister in laws and back down to Mid Wales 700 mile round trip. This was done overnight one way, plenty space at chargers but once again failed connections slow charging blighted me. I love the smoothness of an EV, however for me with my circumstances and journeys i do, not for me at this time. Therefore went for a halfway house and ordered Nissan X Trail E 4orce.
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2024 Nissan X-Trail left in Sep 25I saw both of the road trip videos a few days ago, and also a couple of follow up videos discussing the ramifications of the trip. It was upsetting to see the huge amount of stress and even tears involved in a two day journey.
‘Geoff’ lives locally here in Worcestershire and he is typically ‘down to earth’ with his opinions. ‘MacMaster’ lives in Nottinghamshire. Both are enthusiastic car reviewers but the road trip you mentioned shook them up a bit.
Geoff in particular seems convinced that the government is trying to control motorists use of vehicles with the introduction of EV’s, while deliberately failing to provide the necessary charging infrastructure. He can get quite ‘rabid’ on the subject.
Both MacMaster and Geoff are agreed on the fact that while EV’s can be great cars, the nationwide charging situation is pathetic, or in their words “absolute Sh*t !!!!!!
If you need to make regular longer journeys including charging stops, then even with careful planning you can easily come unstuck. Local use should be far less problematic.
I think we have to weigh up our own specific requirements very carefully.
McMaster is a known serial ev try complainer.
Try Enyaq Garm who regulary does long journeys from North Scotland to Milton Keynes in his Enyaq iv60.
Yes, you need to plan your journeys more, but the infrastructure us there in most parts of tge UK, with monthly increases in charge points, plus the fact, mist journeys are within 25 miles (SMMT) and most have access to honme chargers.
It’s one of the big anto ev arguments, parroted by anti ev youtubers
A con this EV lark expensive no covers if its bad weather and even he great norway experiment people say there are problems if you want as well as traffic to deal with unreliable transport then EV are the way and do not listen to me even Auto express Mike Rutherford has told of the problems A s said so satisfied I got my great petrol Mini best and built in uk. Ant to be fair The Mac had no issue with the EV Evangelists so he had nothing to lose in righting off EV’s and he is not the only one telling the truth if you look there are many seeing light and even car dealers are not keen on part exchanges of EV as used ones nobody wants it is ok if on Motability if you can not get the depreciation hit or leasing private although I would not even then. I really like the idea of zero co2 but let’s have a better way than batteries as they are now I would get a hybrid as as least they charge themselves which is so convenient and when they come up with over a 1000 miles per charge that does not drain when using Air con and other things which will come I thing and not have to worry about charging stations which see to be different companies charging more or less and cover the charges so good in all weathers it would be good but at this time it seems so uncertain and unreliable. The guys that have EV one friend says my car is great even though he has been so stressed by the software issues whith the car and the charges and he is telling me I am going to buy a petrol hybrid that charges itself.
One year/20k miles into our EV here, and I’ve found the infrastructure to be really good. We live in a fairly remote part of North Wales so there’s not much on the doorstep exactly, but there’s a rank of 10 Tesla superchargers ten miles away open to all EVs, and the app tells you how many are unoccupied so it’s never guesswork. 59p/kWh so about £15 ‘for a full tank’
Trips done recently:
Manchester, charge at home did there and back with plenty to spare. Lots of chargers in every part of the city and at the services along the way
Sheffield, charge at home, hotel had ev chargers, stopped the next morning on the way home for a coffee and there were chargers there so plugged in for 20 mins
Brighton, stopped at Birmingham Tesla to charge, got a burger, stopped at Tesla just outside London, had a stroll round the shops. Coming back stopped at the same two again, total public charging cost was £22 for the trip plus a tenner of electric at home, £32 total, last time I did this in a petrol car I spent £100 on fuel there and back.
I’m not totally sold on EV but the scaremongering is crazy, ‘what happens when you run out of charge’ is all anyone asks, well, the same as when you run out of petrol! And in 30 years of driving I’ve always made sure that doesn’t happen. I’ve had days when I’ve been driving round on fumes looking for a petrol station, at least with electric the app shows if the charge point is occupied or not
Biggest plus for us is in 20k of motoring I’ve saved around £2500 compared to what it would have cost in petrol. If I did more home charging I reckon I could get that to £3k a year. That alone makes it worthwhile for me, plus no gears, no clutch, so darn easy to drive
McMaster is a known serial ev try complainer. Try Enyaq Garm who regulary does long journeys from North Scotland to Milton Keynes in his Enyaq iv60. Yes, you need to plan your journeys more, but the infrastructure us there in most parts of tge UK, with monthly increases in charge points, plus the fact, mist journeys are within 25 miles (SMMT) and most have access to honme chargers. It’s one of the big anto ev arguments, parroted by anti ev youtubers
Well said Pops I totally agree couldn’t put it better.
Covered 45,000 miles in 2½ years, in a hyundai kona EV ultimate 64kWh. Never been stuck, never been flat. Do a lot of short journeys in the 5-50 mile range but regularly do long distance as well. There’s plenty of chargers around, unless you’re looking for the ones that aren’t working
Ive Covered 40k in a electric kona from travelling to Ireland, all over Scotland from Wales and most of England. Also holidays in south of France, Normandy, Brittany, Netherlands and Belgium with very little problems. But would not even consider elecric car if didn’t have at home charging due to increase cost of public charging.
I think we need to consider the limitations that our own disabilities place on us or those we are ‘carers’ for.
Some of us are well able to deal with a bit more stress than others, and planning a journey and dealing with charging ‘hiccups’ may not be challenging.
As I said earlier, each of us must make a decision based on our own particular abilities and circumstances.
As JungleGreen mentioned, it’s hardly a SCAM is it?
I think we need to consider the limitations that our own disabilities place on us or those we are ‘carers’ for. Some of us are well able to deal with a bit more stress than others, and planning a journey and dealing with charging ‘hiccups’ may not be challenging. As I said earlier, each of us must make a decision based on our own particular abilities and circumstances.
well said pops I agree and I will be having the car I want not anyone else
I think we need to consider the limitations that our own disabilities place on us or those we are ‘carers’ for. Some of us are well able to deal with a bit more stress than others, and planning a journey and dealing with charging ‘hiccups’ may not be challenging. As I said earlier, each of us must make a decision based on our own particular abilities and circumstances.
Now this is an argument I’d agree with. The infrastructure is greatly lacking for those in wheelchairs or with weakened limbs. With bollards, steps, cable weight and the height of control panels, some are completely useless for wheelchair users. Motability has been working hard on this but there’s tens of thousands of chargers out there that might need retrofitting to be suitable.
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@MarkWales 59p/kWh so about £15 ‘for a full tank’
How do you get a full charge for £15 on public charge at 59p KWH ?
Both MacMaster and Geoff are agreed on the fact that while EV’s can be great cars, the nationwide charging situation is pathetic, or in their words “absolute Sh*t !!!!!! If you need to make regular longer journeys including charging stops, then even with careful planning you can easily come unstuck. Local use should be far less problematic.
Agree, the infrastructure lets it down badly on longer journeys.
There are 51,516 charging devices (79,564 cnnectors) in the UK as of October 2023. Out of those there are 9,627 rapid (25-99kW) and ultra-rapid (100kW+) charging devices, which account for around 20% of all chargers. Ultra -rapid account for around 8% of the total number of charger available in the UK and are mainly centred around motorways.
I’ve attached links to both MacMaster and Geoff Buys Cars YouTube channels. They’ve both done a few videos of the challenge, it lasted a few days so there’s lots of content to watch.
https://youtube.com/@TheMacMaster?si=VmIF81t6LXQrLlYG
https://youtube.com/@GeoffBuysCars?si=uw1mjz6UPWLlSBeL
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McMaster is a known serial ev try complainer. Try Enyaq Garm who regulary does long journeys from North Scotland to Milton Keynes in his Enyaq iv60. Yes, you need to plan your journeys more, but the infrastructure us there in most parts of tge UK, with monthly increases in charge points, plus the fact, mist journeys are within 25 miles (SMMT) and most have access to honme chargers. It’s one of the big anto ev arguments, parroted by anti ev youtubers
I would appreciate if you could suggest video’s of that type of journey, not using the motoway for the majority of the journey 🙂
Cribbs Causeway where there are dozens of chargers within a square mile.
What type are they (not including Tesla charger as not sure if you can use them)
Cribbs Causeway where there are dozens of chargers within a square mile.
What type are they (not including Tesla charger as not sure if you can use them)
There’s lots, Cribbs Causeway is our usual stop off point for breakfast. Porsche 350kw, MFG has 8 175kw, McDonald’s has some also. Millie’s Diner has a few, there’s an Audi dealer. We plan on using MFG, very fast, there’s a bank of 8 and they always seem to be free.
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Both MacMaster and Geoff are agreed on the fact that while EV’s can be great cars, the nationwide charging situation is pathetic, or in their words “absolute Sh*t !!!!!! If you need to make regular longer journeys including charging stops, then even with careful planning you can easily come unstuck. Local use should be far less problematic.
Agree, the infrastructure lets it down badly on longer journeys. There are 51,516 charging devices (79,564 cnnectors) in the UK as of October 2023. Out of those there are 9,627 rapid (25-99kW) and ultra-rapid (100kW+) charging devices, which account for around 20% of all chargers. Ultra -rapid account for around 8% of the total number of charger available in the UK and are mainly centred around motorways.
My experience of the infrastructure is both expensive and unreliable, however electric car are far from being a scam, change is coming whether we like it or not. Fortunately we can charge up off peak at home.
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
If we can have Hybrids which are petrol with small batteries which will go for say 30 miles and then switch over to the engine which will then re charge the battery, effectively say at 80% petrol 20% battery a lot of the time. .
Then why can’t we have EV’s which effectively reverse that and use the batteries the vast majority of the time but also have a small back up engine which would have very limited capacity to recharge the battery but could be used as a backup which would be easier and a lot quicker to fill up in emergency or doggy circumstances where you EV battery may be in danger of running out in a long journey and in which you have less choice in finding a EV charging station.
I know it would be extra cost, but in cars that are costing 40 to over 50 thousand pounds anyway.
I try to ignore the uneducated bile that some people want to spew on here but this is just too much… I seen the videos and they were totally pointless, like comparing a transit van with a fiesta to ferry a 4 piece band between gigs ?♂️
Haven’t heard anybody say they’ll never buy another ICE car after one went on fire in a multi storey carpark that’ll now have to be demolished ?
Personally I’m on my 3rd EV in 9½ years, 4th should be getting ordered tomorrow from Gateshead. I’m in Glasgow but a 300 mile round trip isn’t a problem. I am doing over 17k a year, have done plenty of 400+ mile days and never been stuck. We still have a 12 year old diesel with 100k on the clock that we keep only because it allows my wife to get out & about if I’m away on a road trip in my EV, otherwise it’s my car that gets used for every journey.
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