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so i have a 23 plate Ford Puma, i didnt build the spec as my previous ordered vehicle (astra) took 18 months and ended cancelling
It doesnt have a rear reversing camera, which i want on it, i spoke to ford, whom i got it from and they said they cant add after the car arrives it has to be done when its build but they gave me a number for a 3rd party who that dealership send ALL their customrs too when customers wanted things added, even on motobility. i spoke to motobility and they said no Ford has to do it themselves, i explained ford and the ones to tell me to go this guy and this guy has told me he has installed extras on hundreds of motobility vehicles and its never been an issue
Motobility said no, Ford has to, so i spoke to a evans halshaw dealership and they told me, they can get whatever part i wanted ordered but they wont fit it because Ford dont give any of the franchise dealerships like evan halshaw the manuals on how to install, what cables are needed extra, and this was true with other dealerships i rang, so like how do mototbility expect me to get ford to do it if every ford dealership seems to be a franchise and they arent given the instructions on how to do it so they wont..
After many phone calls they have approved me to have a camera installed so they’ll update my agreement to show this. As long i dont modify the car, (drilling holes) and im aware that by connecting it to the electrics, if something goes wrong with the electrics and the car needs to be repaired they may not pay for that and ill have to pay from my own pocket..
Dilmena now is tha the person who said they can install it for me is charging me £380 +VAT. its not a genuine ford camera its an after market and he said he will change the book lock so the camera can be inserted into that (not a clue what he means lol) and the camera will be intergrated to the existing scree in the car but when i look on places like halffords there most expensive camera is only £150 + £75 fitting
Anyone else had a reverse camera fitted or can advise a cheaper camera
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If your Puma had come with a factory fitted reverse camera, the camer would be where the boot release or reverse lights are. You can get aftermarket cameras that replace the original boot release say. You can also get a Sync 3 adaptor, so it shows on your infotainment screen as if one was fitted as standard at the factory.
You can also get (as Halfords) an aftermarket kit, that is cheaper. The problem with this type of kit is, it won’t look factory fitted. You will have another display like a SatNav to mount somewhere to act as a reversing camera or there is the option of a replacement rearview mirror, which also act as a reversing camera. Some of these systems have big bulky camera that need to be bolted on the rear of the car, whilst others take a similar approach to above and a replacement boot release handle houses the camera. These can often be found on the likes of ebay and have s so quality.
The fully intergrated one is much better but at £380+VAT is expensive however, you would be eligible for VAT relief, so you wouldn’t have to pay the VAT, as long as the guy Ford is putting you intouch with is both reputable and VAT registered, there wouldn’t be a problem. It maybe worth looking up auto electricians near you and getting a price (VAT free) or if a family member can fit one as its not that difficult and Puma forums will have diagrams of installs 🙂
I had a reversing camera installed on one of my cars about 10 years ago, aftermarket. Needed to have the boot drilled for the camera and cable. The wire(s) needed to be fitted into the car interior itself, which may void any warranty.
My friend did it for me, with a replacement screen head unit as well. Took him a day and a half to get it fitted as he took out the side interior panels for the cables, took out the last head unit, installed the new one, etc.
Another thing to consider is that the wiring on Fords is not easy. I bought a 63 Ford Focus last December, before I got my enhanced Mobility, and I was wrongly told the car had parking sensors. Decided to just pay for it and get somebody to put them on. Guy came out and did a great job on rear sensors, but said he wouldn’t put any sensors up front. He also said Ford had the worst electrics of any manufacturer and his company refuse to do Ford sat navigation systems or anything to do with electrics up front. Fords would suddenly just stop turning on or the alarm wouldn’t activate/deactivate after installation.
Read lots of horror stories about Ford and the electrics, which is probably why Ford are reluctant to carry out the job for you. They don’t want to try to install the camera, the car just goes dead, then Ford is left holding the bag.
Reversing camera is essential to you, Motability are taking your allowance, I’d push back but I understand that it’s all a grey area with the cancellation and taking the Puma. Unless there’s protection involved in using another party to do the job, I wouldn’t. Ford are encouraging you to use somebody else not for your sake but theirs.
Knowing tge way wiring harness manufacturers work, any break into the harnesses voids the warranty on the whole harness. Even their official harness repairs void the warranty and if any other electrical issues arise, becomes then the car manufacturers liability.
add to that, the most modern harnesses, that are the first items fitted in body build, are specific harnesses to reduce weight. In the past one harness his all, with non used wires cap0ed, but that was extra weight when ever gramme now counts.
Ford front wiring harness in all Fords are renowned for arcing and fusing i would not get any sort of camera fitted if its not in the car spec . Ford will invalidate the warranty.
Knowing tge way wiring harness manufacturers work, any break into the harnesses voids the warranty on the whole harness. Even their official harness repairs void the warranty and if any other electrical issues arise, becomes then the car manufacturers liability. add to that, the most modern harnesses, that are the first items fitted in body build, are specific harnesses to reduce weight. In the past one harness his all, with non used wires cap0ed, but that was extra weight when ever gramme now counts.
You should know better than anyone, the wiring harness is the same in the base trim as it is in the top trim, with blanked of plugs that need coding should you add a aftermarket kit. There are dedicated sync 3 kits available complete with harnesses to fit the otherwise redundant corresponding plug on the vehicle harbess.
When I had my 17 plate Skoda Superb SEL, I paid extra for the speed sign recognition, which allowed me to get other things coded and also £300+ for the reverse camera. When I renewed the car the reverse camera went straight into a neigbours SE trim, where all the plugs were awaiting for it to connect to! In return I got half my money back and a swop of the blank (without camera) taigate opener 🙂
The camera he has stated he will install is a Navinc 380 Sync 3 and he said he will replace the boot lock/lease so nothing needs to be drilled in and the camera will be linked to thhe built in screen as its sync 3 compatible dn apparently the wiring already exists it just lacks the camera so he just needs to connect the current wiring the camera wiring
@keyzo, that was my point. The older harnesses, were a one size fits all, with caps for higher spec models, but the latest ones are being designed for each spec and packs, as the harnesses weigh a tonne, so the theory us remove unwanted wiring to reduce weight.
I Morocco,nowhere mist harnesses are made (cheap manual labour) they have boards where the harhessesxare built to spec of xar/packs.
This us why you see either pack only options, or for quite a few far east manufacturers, no options at all.
Economy of weight.
Dont think i can get the reverse camera installed, the guy who was gonna install it said you cant get a modified boot latch for the puma, i checked with ford as well and they said none exist and would require drilling a 6mm hole on the X
thought i found salvation at halfords but its not compatible with the Puma, but is with every other ford
so there is no way to route the cable internally so i guess… no reverse camera for me as motobility isnt gonna allow drilling where the X is… unless i say ford said the same thing and they are willing to install it… as motobility did say ford can do it.. guess ill try callingSorry it hasn’t worked out but I’d keep pushing to find a way.
Problem is, the setup needs some sort of modification to the car itself which as you’ve said, needs Motability’s approval for.
The weird thing is motobility have allowed me to have it hard wired, they jsut told me that if the electronics go faulty and its found the writing of the camera to be the cause, they wont pay for the repair as warranty is then voided, which i was willing to accept, but yeah, without the official boot latch that comes ford, its a no go, only other alternative is keeping the camera inside the car and attached to the bottom of the windscreen, but i dont thin that would work well as a reverse camera then
oo thanks for that, so if that is the same camera used on a Fiesta Mk8.. could be a saving grace, i’ll need to look into this, thanks
THe mk8 is 2016 model
This from Halfords is compatible with a MK8 Fiesta, so could be possible, might just have to go to those guys if no one else will do it
You need to make sure the dimensions are right, so not sure with the mk 8 fiesta but, can’t see ford swopping a changing for different models.
Your other option is tell motability your be struggling longterm without reverse camera and get an early termination.
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