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test drives are still not possible.
a showroom in birmingham told me april, they guaranteed it,
i ordered from derby they said may/june – however im now regretting buying the petrol one, and i wish i paid the 8k and went electric
When did you order yours ? . I ordered first week in January was told probably be ready for may , I ordered the rivoli 180 … what one did you order?
The same as you
Honestly regret not getting the electric to be fair
Can understand where you are coming from but the hybrid is very expensive, if it’s 8k for that and about 4K for the petrol .. you are some while getting your money back
Yeah, the E-Tense is absolutely pointless currently.
It’s £4000 extra, you’d save around £500-£1000 per year in petrol at average mileage. So in the 3 years, you lose £1000, for the bonus of a more complicated engine.
We like the DS4, we really do, and if the PHEV price comes down to normal levels, we certainly are going to test drive one (PHEV is a requirement for our next car), but as it sits right now it’s more expensive than a fully equipped Tiguan Elegance PHEV, or the top of the range Tucson (by a huge margin on top).
That’s just stupid pricing.
perhaps, although ive done 70k miles in my current a class – in just over 36 months
Then a diesel would be cheaper to run.
Keep in mind that PHEVs don’t really cope well with long distances (especially motorway etc), once the battery is empty you have basically the 180hp petrol version with 350kg added weight.
The benefit of a hybrid drivetrain is where you can drive fully electric for short journeys, at 70k miles in 3 years, that’s not the majority of yours. On longer journeys the 225 E-Tense will return around 43-45mpg (it’s 45mpg in the new 308 225, same engine but slightly lighter car, hence slightly less than 45mpg).
At which point, getting a PHEV really isn’t smart from an economical standpoint. You won’t save money in petrol (or barely any – our 1.5 Ateca averages 43mpg in summer), but pay double the AP. Smarter to just get a diesel which is more expensive to fill, but returns 60+ mpg.
I can’t think of any situation where you can make up the £4k in AP over three years with a PHEV over the normal petrol version. Now, if the E-Tense comes down to £4k AP in total, absolutely. At that point we might change from our Golf GTE (due to be delivered this decade, probably) to the E-Tense too (after test driving it of course).
Rene, you are wrong about PHEVs once the battery has run out. The system constantly regenerates and uses electricity even with a depleted battery. Our XC40 easily does mid forties or better mpg on long runs, both motorway and cross country, which is far better than the normal petrol version of the same car.
Lets see what i said.
Keep in mind that PHEVs don’t really cope well with long distances (especially motorway etc), once the battery is empty you have basically the 180hp petrol version with 350kg added weight.
Now, feel free to explain to me how you recharge the battery on the motorway. The system does not constantly regenerate, it regenerates when you brake/slow down. And if you use your engine as a generator to recharge the battery, you’re using more petrol than the equivalent ICE variant.
How are you impressed with mid 40s? While better than the absolutely ridiculously awful standard T5, it’s still horrendous.
Here. Take their word.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/long-term-reviews/volvo-xc40-recharge-t5-2021-long-term-review
Particularly this bit:
“Admittedly, I had managed only a two-thirds battery charge at my local supermarket before setting off, and as I pretty much default to Android Auto for every car that plays nicely with my phone, I missed out on the built-in sat-nav’s economy optimisations, which calculate how best to divvy out the remaining electricity along your route. This meant an MPG figure that dipped into the low-30s on the return leg.”
It’s common knowledge that PHEVs lose their efficiency quickly when driving long journeys, not sure why you’re yet again arguing something that’s well proven.
Again, don’t take it from me, take it from professionals.
https://www.whatcar.com/advice/buying/what-is-a-plug-in-hybrid-and-should-you-buy-one/n1141
“The main downside of owning a PHEV is that it’s likely to have poorer fuel economy than a conventionally-powered alternative when it’s driven using the engine rather than the electric motor. This is because you’re lugging around the additional weight of its electric battery pack.
Add this to the fact that PHEVs tend to cost more to buy than petrol or diesel rivals, and this could mean your motoring costs are higher than they could be.
So if most of your journeys are longer than your PHEV’s pure electric range, or if you’re not able to charge up the batteries frequently and end up doing the majority of your driving using the engine, then a plug-in may not be the best option for you.If most of your journeys are longer motorway drives, a pure electric car with a long range could be suitable as long as you’re able to replenish its batteries after each long drive. If you’re not able to charge up cheaply and easily, a diesel-engined model is likely to be the most cost-effective option. ”
Mid forties means around 20% better economy on long journeys than the ICE version (which they don’t sell anymore, so the entire comparison is pretty moot since you wouldn’t have a choice anyway), which on motorway etc returns slightly over 38ish mpg. Feel free to do the math – look at the premium for the PHEV system over the standard ICE, and see if 20% fuel savings would counter that premium over three years.
Same case here. Yes, on long journeys the E-Tense might get slightly better mileage than the 180hp petrol (if that), but it needs to be more than £4000 worth of petrol in three years to make sense. And even if i’d agree that you could save £4000 in petrol over three years (which is absolutely not happening) to make up the AP premium, you still have now a less reliable engine, more tyre wear, worse brakes (or rather, same brakes but 350kg more to brake) etc.
There’s no way an E-Tense makes sense currently (*through the scheme). Other having way too much disposable income and not caring whether or not you lose £4000 over three years, and need the extra 40hp.
Prior: SEAT Ateca Xcellence Lux 1.5 TSI DSG MY19, VW Golf GTE PHEV DSG MY23
Current: Hyundai Ioniq 6 Ultimate
Next: we'll see what's available in 2028.My my Rene. You do like writing. In your arguement hybrids, plug in or not, aren’t worth the candle. Very many people disagree. We do a good mix of local and long journeys and over 5000 miles are averaging about 75mpg. (Electricity costs extra of course). And we are driving a very comfortable and refined car. We are not complaining, but you seem to be.
I can’t see that the Hybrid vetsion is available on the Motability site, only peyrol and diesel versions ??
It certainly is, e sense, about 8.5 k
No E sense there for either tbh highest costing one is the DS 4 HATCHBACK 1.6 PURETECH 180 RIVOLI 5DR EAT8 at £3,699
DS 4 E-TENSE
CIVILIAN DISABLED ADVANCE RENTAL (£)
DS 4 E-TENSE 225 Trocadero £8,295
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DS 4 E-TENSE 225 Rivoli £8,195
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DS 4 E-TENSE 225 Performance Line £8,295
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DS 4 E-TENSE 225 Performance Line+ £8,295
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DS 4 CROSS E-TENSE 225 Trocadero £7,695
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DS 4 CROSS E-TENSE 225 Rivoli £7,795
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WAR PENSIONER ADVANCE RENTAL (£)
DS 4 E-TENSE 225 Trocadero £7,139
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DS 4 E-TENSE 225 Rivoli £7,039
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DS 4 E-TENSE 225 Performance Line £7,139
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DS 4 E-TENSE 225 Performance Line+ £7,139
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DS 4 CROSS E-TENSE 225 Trocadero £6,539
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DS 4 CROSS E-TENSE 225 Rivoli £6,639
T/Afrom the ds website dont know when they left the motability search i will check on numbers today.
Must be gone for quite a while on the search as I’ve been looking into this for my next car for about a month now and it never come up on my searches before.
ive scolledd through wmcforums dailynumbers andd i cant find where the ds4 e-tense even came on to the motability search let alone was withdrawn. if i get chance later i will ask mota themselves.
It is listed on the DS automobile motability page but has not made it into the official motability listings.
i found it via ds’s website when i originally looked
i never look at the motability listings
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