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Back into a full lockdown for us here in Wales
Starting Friday 23rd October
Today’s figures show that in excess of 27,000 new cases of Covid 19 were reported in last 24hrs. There were 174 deaths. This is rapidly climbing back to the height of the UK pandemic earlier this year. Yet the government advice for the Clinically Extremely Vulnerable (CEV) continues to say that shielding is not necessary and rules can be relaxed. CEV people can, for example, go out to work and visit businesses, such as supermarkets, pubs and shops.
My wife is classified as CEV and wth over 27k cases and 174 deaths in 24hrs, we will continue shielding. Damn stupid not to. I think the government is being criminally incompetent. If it was a private company it could be prosecuted for manslaughter by incompetence. Other opinions welcome…
Anyone including Trump that plays down the potential for Covid19 to cause mayhem is delusional. We dont know enough about this virus to in any way underestimate its potential to cause harm. The problem is that the way to cope with it is to minimalise socialising so that it cant spread. This however by it’s very nature will have a detrimental impact on the economy. Let us hope that Vaccines with high levels of protection is available soon.
My cousin, who is an NHS nurse told me they have been offered the Oxford vaccine. She is a bit unsure about taking it so has been asking the family what they think she should do.
Strangely enough my other cousin, who works in Dubai, has told us he has been offered a vaccine by his work. I don’t know which vaccine it is but he says one or two of those who have had it have been “floored” by it but most have been fine.
He is on holiday just now so has a week or so to make up his mind.
Dr Mike Yeardon says the pandemic is over because there are no excess deaths compared with previous years and the problem is false positives from the PCR test. Believe him or not, but have a listen:
Alcohol sales to be banned from all shops in Nottinghamshire after 9pm in Tier 3 lockdown, Then it will be 6pm then midday then 9am then not at all.. What a joke and i don’t even drink so either way it don’t bother me, but you can consume it with food till 10pm and many think it’s about saving people from covid and not limiting freedom of choice. like wales banning stuff that they deem non-essential, like clothes or a pan to cook in.. Yet many still don’t see what is really going on.. In the name of covid. real or not. Use of force by the police went up also during covid but crime also went down.. figure that out..
Info from the who https://www.who.int/health-topics/alcohol#tab=tab_1
Alcohol is a toxic and psychoactive substance with dependence producing properties. In many of today’s societies, alcoholic beverages are a routine part of the social landscape for many in the population. This is particularly true for those in social environments with high visibility and societal influence, nationally and internationally, where alcohol frequently accompanies socializing. In this context, it is easy to overlook or discount the health and social damage caused or contributed to by drinking.
Alcohol consumption contributes to 3 million deaths each year globally as well as to the disabilities and poor health of millions of people. Overall, harmful use of alcohol is responsible for 5.1% of the global burden of disease.
Harmful use of alcohol is accountable for 7.1% and 2.2% of the global burden of disease for males and females respectively. Alcohol is the leading risk factor for premature mortality and disability among those aged 15 to 49 years, accounting for 10 percent of all deaths in this age group. Disadvantaged and especially vulnerable populations have higher rates of alcohol-related death and hospitalization.
More than covid deaths worldwide thats for sure and this is the world we live in where some decide what is allowed or not allowed for our own good. 3 million deaths each year, it should be banned then on that total.
how did it work when the americans banned it..
plus also a study from edinburgh uni suggests lockdown causes more death in the end, all it does is delay it..
Till the saviour arrives. this time a vaccine not a god. One that’s fast tracked and foul of the correct procedures in place for such things, but these are extreme times.. This is allowed under those terms. we can do anything under covid law..
But i am the crazy one yeah.. or delusional. when it is clear what kills more, Everyone cannot live forever, dearth comes to us all at some point it’s the only given in life, at some point we will all die..
For those who haven’t seen today’s Daily Telegraph piece:
“In three years of writing for The Telegraph, I have never received so many comments and emails from a single story. In it I confessed, such was my exasperation over the UK’s ever more nonsensical lockdown strategy, that I was almost starting to believe this pandemic really could be a conspiracy.
‘Almost’ was the operative word here. I do not buy into any of the theories that have (yet) been put to me. Indeed my profound scepticism about lockdown extends to most things in life; religion, star signs, and conspiracy theories included.
But the overwhelming reader response makes one thing very clear: most of you are not keyboard warriors wearing tin hats, but a contingent of people who are understandably alarmed by our Government’s ham-fisted response to this virus, and fed up with having their objections and questions squashed and ignored.
These are no small quibbles. Not in the history of modern democracy have we been ordered en masse to surrender such monumental freedoms, at such a high cost, for so long, with no end in sight.
No wonder members of the public are demanding a better explanation as to why we are still hiding, stagnating and going broke over a virus with a 99 per cent survival rate.
No wonder conspiracy theories are gathering steam all over the world – what do you expect when a situation makes so little sense? We are a species motivated to find answers; prone to getting creative when we lack them.
We may be used to it now, but step outside our new normal for a moment. If someone, without telling you why, had informed you last October that within a year, Europe’s offices and city centres would stand deserted, its citizens subject to night-time curfews, alcohol bans, travel restrictions and the mandated wearing of face shields; that spending the night with one’s non-live-in partner would be punishable by a fine and visiting one’s family abroad would be banned – you might assume, horrified, that Kim Jong-Un, armed with more nukes than we previously knew existed, had rolled in and taken over the Western world.
If that same person told you that, no, this wouldn’t be the result of nuclear war, but a virus which in that year accounted for little more than two per cent of the total global death toll; one that presented some danger to the elderly and infirm but spared most of the population even from mild symptoms … well. You probably wouldn’t believe them.
Why, then, should it come as any surprise, given this is genuinely our reality, that a growing number of people are scratching their heads over our Government’s increasingly unpopular strategy on Covid-19? Or questioning the policy on a public health interest that is no longer serving the majority of the public’s interests?
As to the conspiracies, there are of course some politicians who will seize this disaster as an opportunity to further their dubious goals, but I am certainly not of the opinion that nearly every leader in the world is embroiled in some Machiavellian plot to reshape our global society.
When George Orwell’s pigs went rogue on Animal Farm, it wasn’t the result of a devious plan from the start. It was an allegory for the inevitability of human nature. Boris Johnson very probably does realise by now that this China-exported pandemic strategy hasn’t worked, but reasons it’s too late to dislodge the seeds planted by Project Fear.
We really are in dangerous territory now, and there are two concerns that I just can’t shake off.
The first is our Government’s continued refusal to paint a balanced picture of the ongoing situation. Statistics which put into perspective the small number of deaths now compared to at the peak of the pandemic, and indeed to the normal number of deaths we can expect to see at this time of year, are available; but they are not presented at Professor Chris Whitty’s weekly addresses to the nation. They are buried in lengthy Public Health England reports which most ordinary people won’t seek out.
SAGE, meanwhile, has free licence to broadcast grandiose predictions across every TV and radio in Britain, based on models that have been proven wrong time and time again. This team has now had the best part of a year to prove itself worthy of such an influential platform. Enough.
Second, and arguably worse, is the near-censorship of dissenting scientific views as a result of regulatory body Ofcom’s ‘coronavirus guidelines’, which effectively blocks the media from publishing professional, accredited, expert analysis – debate even – that doesn’t toe SAGE’s party line.
Enough prominent, frustrated scientists this month banded together to launch The Great Barrington Declaration; a petition drawn up by professors at Oxford, Harvard and Stanford, and backed by tens of thousands of epidemiologists, public health scientists, and at least one Nobel Prize winner.
Its proposal, in a nutshell, is that those at-risk should be offered protection should they want it, but that the rest of the population should be encouraged to resume life as normal. Hardly outrageous, nor unprecedented – just ask Sweden.
I’d like to see this proposal get more air time. I’d like, every week, along with the figures on new Covid cases and deaths, to see the number of people who have also died as a direct result of lockdown; the mounting number of missed cancer screenings, the uptick in domestic abuse call-outs, and the rise in mental health emergencies.
I had a reader get in touch with me over the weekend; a young student at boarding school, who disagreed with my stance. She was intelligent and polite, and we had a constructive debate over Instagram. She suggested that it would be irresponsible to abandon lockdown and let the virus run its course, given more people would undoubtedly lose their lives. I asked what her position would be given the increasingly certain scenario that lockdown will ultimately kill more humans than it saves.
Forget even the UK; the United Nations predicts that this pandemic-induced recession could plunge as many as 420 million people into extreme poverty worldwide. Unsurprisingly, she hadn’t heard this statistic or considered this angle. It’s simply not on the news agenda. It should be. It’s the sort of maths that should be just as front-and-centre at each press conference as the number of new positive cases each day.
This confounding scenario in which we find ourselves may not be a grand conspiracy, but it is a profound travesty. The sooner we start having honest conversations on the main stage about it, the better.”
Just saw the bbc headline Boris considering month long lockdown on Monday !!
Spring’s lockdown wrecked Britain’s public finances, bankrupted businesses, may make millions of Britons jobless, caused much cancer&heart etc disease to go untreated AND COVID WAS NOT DEFEATED, JUST PAUSED.
The Govt’s conclusion: Let’s lockdown the whole nation again.
MADNESS.Wigwam what do you suggest in the current climate ?
HMG have done good job scaring the population based on discredited computer models, imposition of useless face masks etc despite real scientific evidence they are wrong to carry on trying to control what cannot be controlled.
They have to carry on the lies and nonsense or admit they made the wrong decisions.
There’s no point listening to or reading the mainstream media because OFCOM will not permit dissent from the governments message and of course the laws are being made without parliamentary debate.
What do I suggest? I wish I knew…
I don’t believe there is an agenda behind what most governments in the world are doing. We can off course discuss the best way to fight this virus and health versus the economy is a totally valid discussion.
I do agree with wigwam (can’t believe I said that lol) the economics of the situation, at this time, is at least as important as the health issue.
We must be able to pay for all the benefits we enjoy such as the NHS and leaving millions unemployed will reek havoc on our economy for years to come.
If you think the banking crisis was bad, you ain’t seen nothing yet.
So wearing a mask does nothing? Next time you go for any surgery make sure you tell all the theatre staff to not wear any face masks as they don’t do anything!
Stupid surgeons, wearing face masks all these years for nothing, thought they would have known better eh!
The only reason to wear a facemask is if you’re infectious although if you have symptoms of coronavirus you should be self isolating.. How effective a mask is in those circumstances is open to debate but it seems to make sense to wear one. If you don’t have the Coronavirus or you are infected but not showing symptoms then evidence is that a face mask is of no effect. Even WHO admit that.
The government mandated face masks as part of its scare tactics to make us compliant. For many it has become a form of virtue signalling – look at me, I’m doing my bit…
Do I wear a mask, Menorca Mike? Yes, on entering a shop I do, because I really couldn’t be bothered to argue the above.
Vinalspin, can I kindly suggest you read more, before making uninformed comment. I could point you to any number of scientific studies about facemasks, their types, their uses and their efficacy, but I couldn’t be bothered.
@Wigwam , you seem to have lots of information that you personally believe to be the truth , just as some wouldn’t.
If you know it to be the truth then why not stay safe secretly enjoying everyone else’s in your eyes mistakes.
As for graphs do you REALLY believe them.
Ajn, you make a good point. I am a natural cynic. My default position is to disbelieve anything I don’t understand and set out to look for empirical evidence so I can understand it. Often, I am led to the conclusion that widely held beliefs can be nothing more than blind faith. I have no problem with people trusting in faith if it works for them.
Having said that, faith in this government seems to me irrational and its mistakes are doing us unbelievable harm.
..and regarding graphs, I look for the underlying data.
Thanks for the detailed reply Wigs, however the only empirical evidence you seek is only going to be an option of another is it not.
So in a way looking for someone /something to believe in, maybe to ease your ever searching quest for the truth, in a way almost a faith.
No, ajn. I’m not a searcher for truth. I’m no philosopher. I challenge the irrational. Sometimes what appears irrational to me has good cause to be so. I’m happy with that.
Boris giving press conference 4pm today
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