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Don’t get me wrong, I think there are aspects of owning an EV which could be highly beneficial to disabled people. To be able to drive for 80%+ of the time with only one pedal will make life much easier for those who struggle with lower limb issues.
It is an unfortunate truth, though, that there are limitations too. Far too many chargers are inaccessible for wheelchair users, cables are far too heavy and bulky for those who have issues with their arms and then there’s rolling up 10m of charging cable.
Then there’s the housing caused problems, if you can’t park in one place, on your property, then you are going to struggle getting your car charged. Motability have provided a charge card that discounts a small amount off a public charging company that has poor coverage and a poor reputation, that’s not enough to aid the disabled person , unable to work and afford expensive public charging. With the perception of limited range (helped by the media hype) there’s a perceived requirement to charge until full, which can result in a cost up to £60 for a big battery on an expensive rapid. Not the same as a quick fuel up for £10 or £20 when your budget is greatly limited.
But the APs are favourable. To be honest, they’re huge incentives to go electric and, if you’re considering it, then it’s a great bonus, however, the size of some APs for sizeable ICE or Hybrid vehicles does seem to push all customers towards the BEV solution.
Who are Motability serving? They’ll argue that they’re only passing on the prices that the manufacturers offer (partly true) and that the pressure from Government creates a pressure on the manufacturers to discount EVs.
Should Motability be concerned with aiding research into charging solutions for those with parking near but not in their homes? Should they be working to create an affordable public charging solution, if they’re content with guiding customers towards BEVs? Maybe simply fighting for those unable to charge or operate an EV should be a target including ensuring affords and reliable ICE and Hybrid options until legislation prohibits such cars?
What do you guys think? Let’s keep this reasonable – the usual FUD found elsewhere will be reported and removed.
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80% of new cars and 70% of new vans sold in Great Britain will now be zero emission by 2030, increasing to 100% by 2035.
Read through the ZEV mandate here:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/pathway-for-zero-emission-vehicle-transition-by-2035-becomes-law
Mobility are not forcing anything, it is up to the customer whether they want on the scheme or not.
Month by month and year by year the EV charging infrastructure is improving. It is in it’s infancy.
Not everyone can charge at home, even less has a fuel pump attached to their house either…unless you are a farmer..lol.
Do not forget in 5 years time petrol stations will be at the same stage EV charging is now.
There will be very few dispensing petrol or diesel and will be Converted to charging stations.
Politically, The Conservatives panicked when they lost by election over a ULEZ manifesto. They lengthened Net Zero by 5 years.
In all likelihood Labour will win the election this year and move the Net Zero date back 5 years to it’s original date.
Many here bury their heads in the sand and reckon they have a choice to force abandoning EV,s and stick with petrol. But is a Supply led market and take it or leave it. Some no doubt reckon they can keep a diesel car hidden away. But petrol and diesel in the future will have equality with Class A drugs and have severe sentences. Supply of petrol and diesel will be very very limited, certainly NOT to the general public.
So I’ve recently had a new vehicle and chose a HEV in the end I was seriously tempted by a BEV but was put off by the lack of public infrastructure at a reasonable price and the fact I’m likely to move in the next year or so meaning I’d either have to wait for a charger or pay to have 1 fitted at my new property if it had a drive.
I think EV’s are great and if you can just charge at home do 90% of your journeys locally etc but for those that need to do regular long drives it can be a big turn off at the moment. For example I can regularly drive 150/200 miles a day 2/3 times a week now with current cars that’d mean either range anxiety all day or a charge at some point, I don’t have access to charging at work or any of my destinations so it would be an additional stop to charge.
I’m hoping in 3 years the infrastructure will be in place.
I do think Motability have an agenda to push EV’s for much the same reasons the government do but I suspect it has less of an impact on AP’s than the OP thinks.
AP’s are dictated by the 3-5 year life cycle cost of the vehicle less the residual value, the favourable AP’s we are seeing right now have more to do with manufacturers heavily discounting EV’s due to falling sales than Motability trying to promote them.
Personally I would love to have an EV as it would suit my use case almost perfectly but I have no way to charge at home so it becomes practically and financially unviable unless public charging becomes more accessible and affordable.
If I seem a little strange, that's because I am.
Skoda Karoq SEL.
Hi @ MFillingham
Sorry for digging up an old threat but just came across this today from the “Scottish Car Clan” guy and thought I’d mention it because you and WMC get a mention.
Hi @ MFillingham Sorry for digging up an old threat but just came across this today from the “Scottish Car Clan” guy and thought I’d mention it because you and WMC get a mention.
I need a shower after that! So, not only all the usual anti-EV nonsense but all the usual ill-informed BS around the scheme and disabled benefits. Look at the comments and it’s full of EVs catch fire, the EV Scam but also we get Free cars, we’re subsidised (which is tricky if it’s already free) and we’re all taking the proverbial weee.
Still, after all that, no mention of either me or WMC.
I'm Autistic, if I say something you find offensive, please let me know, I can guarantee it was unintentional.
I'll try to give my honest opinion but am always open to learning.Mark
Hi @ MFillingham Sorry for digging up an old threat but just came across this today from the “Scottish Car Clan” guy and thought I’d mention it because you and WMC get a mention.
I need a shower after that! So, not only all the usual anti-EV nonsense but all the usual ill-informed BS around the scheme and disabled benefits. Look at the comments and it’s full of EVs catch fire, the EV Scam but also we get Free cars, we’re subsidised (which is tricky if it’s already free) and we’re all taking the proverbial weee. Still, after all that, no mention of either me or WMC.
There is, I saw one of your posts broadcast over youtube, whether you granted permission or not its there lol.
I do agree with Motability artificially inflating ICE AP’s above BEV, which is opposite in the real world but, yeh your famous!
We’ve had a BEV since 2021 and have done a few trips from Lincoln to Peterhead in that time. The infrastructure available four years ago was literally non-existent with all motorway charging at 7kWh and the fastest we could find was 50kWh. Now, fast forward to the present day and by comparison, there are 1000’s more chargers available but the problem is cost. Like others, we do most of our travels within home charging distance, but if we couldn’t charge at home, things would be very different. We’ve got a MG HEV at the moment as a hire car and fuel comparison is scary, in just under three months we have used £250 fuel which in electricity would have cost us £56.
Charging cables are still unwieldy things the majority of the time, especially the fast chargers, and that’s as an abled body person.
in just under three months we have used £250 fuel which in electricity would have cost us £56.
That equates to around 160 miles a week?
Hi @ MFillingham Sorry for digging up an old threat but just came across this today from the “Scottish Car Clan” guy and thought I’d mention it because you and WMC get a mention.
I need a shower after that! So, not only all the usual anti-EV nonsense but all the usual ill-informed BS around the scheme and disabled benefits. Look at the comments and it’s full of EVs catch fire, the EV Scam but also we get Free cars, we’re subsidised (which is tricky if it’s already free) and we’re all taking the proverbial weee. Still, after all that, no mention of either me or WMC.
There is, I saw one of your posts broadcast over youtube, whether you granted permission or not its there lol. I do agree with Motability artificially inflating ICE AP’s above BEV, which is opposite in the real world but, yeh your famous!
There might be a post somewhere but I’ve gone through the video about as much as I could tolerate and no mention of either me or WMC in the linked video or its comments.
As for anywhere else, I didn’t expect to be quoted or anything remotely important enough as used elsewhere. I am aware that everything I’ve posted anywhere is available and it’s not preventable for my words to be used. To be here nest, I just didn’t see little old me being worthy. 😂
I'm Autistic, if I say something you find offensive, please let me know, I can guarantee it was unintentional.
I'll try to give my honest opinion but am always open to learning.Mark
There might be a post somewhere but I’ve gone through the video about as much as I could tolerate and no mention of either me or WMC in the linked video or its comments. As for anywhere else, I didn’t expect to be quoted or anything remotely important enough as used elsewhere. I am aware that everything I’ve posted anywhere is available and it’s not preventable for my words to be used. To be here nest, I just didn’t see little old me being worthy. 😂
@MFillingham Pause the video at 3 minutes and 58 seconds and look at the screen!There might be a post somewhere but I’ve gone through the video about as much as I could tolerate and no mention of either me or WMC in the linked video or its comments. As for anywhere else, I didn’t expect to be quoted or anything remotely important enough as used elsewhere. I am aware that everything I’ve posted anywhere is available and it’s not preventable for my words to be used. To be here nest, I just didn’t see little old me being worthy. 😂
@MFillingham Pause the video at 3 minutes and 58 seconds and look at the screen!
Thank you @BigDave I wasn’t going pause my way through that to see a post.
I'm Autistic, if I say something you find offensive, please let me know, I can guarantee it was unintentional.
I'll try to give my honest opinion but am always open to learning.Mark
Well I’ve just watched it and at least it was factually more correct than the other one that was posted a few weeks back by Geoff Buys Cars. Unfortunately, I found the blokes accent to be very distracting, particularly the complete inability to sound the letter ‘t’ (Mo-a-bili-y) and the prolonged ‘e’s (price-eeees) so, as a result, I spent as much time wincing at the pronunciation as I did listening to the points that he was making 😂
That’s about right done 2000 miles since we got the car. Just grocery shopping is 30 miles minimum round trip or 50 if we go to Lincoln. Doctors appointments 8 miles etc doesn’t take long to add up. Two trips to Sheffield for hospital.
Your really miss not having a car then mate.
So much for worry free motoring!
Dreadfull situation to be in.
As a fully paid up member of the cripple-club, the stress of finding an accessible charging station compared to making a multi-legged train journey across the UK is not comparable. Wait until you’re stuck on a train and you’re refused to be let off due to broken lifts at that station, or there’s no one to disembark you & you have to jam the doors to get some help etc etc etc.
Just take a moment to think about all of the money being poured into the lobby groups actively targeting policies to combat climate change & just make sure you’re not fulfilling the role of useful idiot for the oil & gas companies.
blah, blah, blah
That’s about right done 2000 miles since we got the car. Just grocery shopping is 30 miles minimum round trip or 50 if we go to Lincoln. Doctors appointments 8 miles etc doesn’t take long to add up. Two trips to Sheffield for hospital.
Your really miss not having a car then mate. So much for worry free motoring! Dreadfull situation to be in.
Just a bit going to be using delivery for shopping had to cancel spinal surgery and put a halt on the hip replacement until we have the new one. Will wait to see what the FOS say.
Took my new Ariya (at 100% charge) to Liverpool yesterday. Stopped at Ionity in Stafford to charge up to 80% from 40% (£30) and one lady who was next to me was very helpful as we didn’t know what we doing as first time public chargers but we got it sorted. The cable was heavy but manageable although my initial parking in the space left a lot to be desired.
Drove on to Liverpool and then drove home before stopping in Wrexham to top up befor driving home. Again the people around the chargers were really nice.
Arrived home with about 10% battery left and charged the car overnight. Finding the chargers was easy.
Took my new Ariya (at 100% charge) to Liverpool yesterday. Stopped at Ionity in Stafford to charge up to 80% from 40% (£30) and one lady who was next to me was very helpful as we didn’t know what we doing as first time public chargers but we got it sorted. The cable was heavy but manageable although my initial parking in the space left a lot to be desired. Drove on to Liverpool and then drove home before stopping in Wrexham to top up befor driving home. Again the people around the chargers were really nice. Arrived home with about 10% battery left and charged the car overnight. Finding the chargers was easy.
So far there’s a lot of EV owners who will see and help those obviously struggling, whether that’s physically with the cables or just with what to do.
Im glad you found what so many of us know, it’s quite easy to get around.
I'm Autistic, if I say something you find offensive, please let me know, I can guarantee it was unintentional.
I'll try to give my honest opinion but am always open to learning.Mark
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