- This topic has 37 replies, 12 voices, and was last updated 1 year, 10 months ago by
.
- Topic
We currently have a enyaq sportline x on order but I’m a bit concerned about keeping warm in the cabin in winter as I really suffer from being cold. I often have the heating on 26+ and seats on full not just for warmth but also for stiffness. That and really we need a electric passenger seat.as cannot move the manual very well, Now I see that the iconic 6 comes with the heat pump as standard? Will this make a big difference to the range? + has the electric seat as well. Has anybody test drove them both and what was there thoughts? The only other problem is boot size and awkwardness getting our mini mobility scooter in, I was hoping it would just slide in as it folds flat. Over the boot lip of of cause, Obviously would test before reordering. Any information or experiences with these cars would be more than appreciated. Thank you ?
- Replies
I have a megane e tech with the heat pump and honestly it isn’t really making that much of a difference in this cold weather
I have a megane e tech with the heat pump and honestly it isn’t really making that much of a difference in this cold weather
I believe Renault has tried to reinvent the wheel with its itteration of a heat pump –
“The heat pump takes heat from the battery and electric motor – twice as efficiently as other systems, says Renault – and uses this to warm the cabin, so saving on cabin heating and battery depletion, therefore improving driving range.
The heat recovery is captured by a circuit of pipes that run through the entire battery and motor. This occurs when the battery and electric motor are under heavy load, such as during rapid recharging or when driving on motorways.” ((there is no mention of a compressor & evaporator, probably why it works best under heavy load)
Hyundai/Kia’s heat pump also said to be industry leading (the mind boggles) in 2014 the heat pump, Comprising of a compressor, evaporator and condenser, the heat pump captured waste heat given off by the vehicle’s electrical components, recycling this energy to heat the cabin more efficiently.
Hyundai and Kia’s heat pump technology made its debut six years ago on the first-generation Kia Soul EV. Since then, the industry-leading heat pump technology has been developed further for new EVs from Hyundai and Kia. It now harvests significantly more energy by recycling additional waste heat not only from power electrics (PE) modules (such as drive motors, on-board chargers, and inverters), but also from the battery pack and slow charger.
The system uses the heat generated by these components to vaporize refrigerant from liquid to gas form. High-pressure gas is discharged from the compressor and forced into a condenser to be converted back into a liquid. This process generates additional heat energy that is recovered by the heat pump and used to warm the cabin.
The Kona electric won Norwegian real-range validation test and is the same technology used in the i6 and other EV’s from the brand.
That said heat pumps start to become less effecive below -3
As above, heat pumps don’t make a huge amount of difference in our UK weather, if you live somewhere that’s very cold a lot of the time like Norway, Finland etc. then they may be worth it.
Please excuse spelling/typos. Apart from being a clot it turns out I had one on my cerebellum that's now causing various problems!
@kezo I don’t know the technical details of it all but can honestly say my range has not improved with mine ? but it’s still cheaper then my 2.0 diesel Tiguan and honestly if possible wouldn’t go back to an ice car over a electric sure I read heat pumps only really make a 10% difference so not a huge miss not having one
The heat pump will not make it hotter, just more efficient at heating rather than relying solely on the electric heater. However i have read on several forums and seen it mentioned in several video reviews that the heated seats in the Ioniq 6 are at the top of the game when it comes to heat spread, one guy called them savage lol. i can also say the seats in my Soul are also very good, giving a really good distribution of heat across the seat. Cannot comment on the Skoda of course. One thing that swayed me away from the skoda was the amount of people in the UK enyaq forum who had issues with the software and the heated mirrors, so i decided on the Ioniq 6 in the end.
----------------------------
Hyundai Ioniq 6 Ultimate
----------------------------
Scale modeller in my spare time
----------------------------Electric seats in the Enyaq may be a problem The only way to get passenger seat electrified (in the best way) is to add the Advance Pack at £2000 and some change, it also adds the Canton sound system, which is supposed to be pretty decent and heated rear seats for the kids/back seat passengers. However, as may be sen from recent discussions, there’s also that Crystal Face which adds to the looks for some but is at a rather high risk of damage and it’s debatable as to whether you can get it repaired on the insurance.
Meanwhile the Streamliner I6 doesn’t have the capacity in the boot the Enyaq has, it does, however, have 2 electric luxury front seats and extremely good economy.
Can I ask why the 6 and not the 5? The 5 is the same size as the Enyaq and the Ultimate with Tech pack has all the seating luxury you need plus a boot that has total storage that’s 58l less but has a 57l front storage under the bonnet which is great for cables or bits you need to access when the boot is fully loaded.
Those 3 are exactly what I’m considering right now, the Enyaq with Advance pack and all the risks, the Ioniq 5 with Tech pack and all the luxury or the rather long but stand out in a crowd 6 which comes with everything the 5 has plus heat pack but a rather long but low boot.
I'm Autistic, if I say something you find offensive, please let me know, I can guarantee it was unintentional.
I'll try to give my honest opinion but am always open to learning.Mark
@kezo I don’t know the technical details of it all but can honestly say my range has not improved with mine
but it’s still cheaper then my 2.0 diesel Tiguan and honestly if possible wouldn’t go back to an ice car over a electric sure I read heat pumps only really make a 10% difference so not a huge miss not having oneI would say an heat pump main benifit, is to draw air in from outside, compresses it, then uses the heat from the condenser to raise the temperature to warm cabin or the battery and in some circumstances cool the battery. The saide effect of this, it uses less battery capacity than an electric heater, thus a bit more range.
I would prefer to have one than not but, would have to think hard paying for one as a option. Would you ever recoup the cost? @MFillingham
@kezo I don’t know the technical details of it all but can honestly say my range has not improved with mine
but it’s still cheaper then my 2.0 diesel Tiguan and honestly if possible wouldn’t go back to an ice car over a electric sure I read heat pumps only really make a 10% difference so not a huge miss not having oneI would say an heat pump main benifit, is to draw air in from outside, compresses it, then uses the heat from the condenser to raise the temperature to warm cabin or the battery and in some circumstances cool the battery. The saide effect of this, it uses less battery capacity than an electric heater, thus a bit more range. I would prefer to have one than not but, would have to think hard paying for one as a option. Would you ever recoup the cost? @MFillingham
That’s not fair, there’s so many variables. The Kia/Hyundai heat pump is the most efficient on the market. The range loss with/without heating is 10% next to Tesla model s 18% and model 3 at only 40%.
Assuming a winter range of 200 miles and 10% losses on that that’s 20 miles per full ‘tank’.
There’s a lot of assumptions to be made, amount driven, where you charge but I’ll have a stab and state my assumptions on route.
Given 20 miles loss per tank and a weekly use of one tank (makes my life easier) all charged at home at 7p per kWh and a driving efficiency in winter of 3 miles per kWh (I told you, assumptions) that’s 7 kWh lost per week or 49p. That’s just for winter weeks though, if it’s mild, let alone warm you’ll not be using the heat pump to heat the car.
Now, the bit that’s very tricky is the comparative figures. If the M3 has efficiency losses of 40% for heating a car WITH a pump, what are the losses for other cars? From experience I lose around 20% due to running the heater and a further 15% ish for losses due to cold. I’m going to assume those figures even if they’re miles off.
So, that’s the 49p from above for the 10% or 98p for 20% (see what I did there) saving a rather puny £0.49 per week. Assuming 20 cold weeks a year that’s £9.80 a year or £28.40 for a standard Motability 3 year lease. The heat pump costs £995. It doesn’t take a mathematician to works out the £29 savings are much, much lower than the £995 cost of the heat pump and associated circuitry.
In summary (also know as jump to here) the savings for most cars will be around £0.50 per complete charge. If you’re charging at public chargers and are managing 30,000 miles a year, you might just pay for the heat pump in 3 years. Otherwise, don’t bother.
I'm Autistic, if I say something you find offensive, please let me know, I can guarantee it was unintentional.
I'll try to give my honest opinion but am always open to learning.Mark
That’s not fair, there’s so many variables. The Kia/Hyundai heat pump is the most efficient on the market. The range loss with/without heating is 10% next to Tesla model s 18% and model 3 at only 40%.
My head isn’t on for maths just now, so I will have to revisit your post later. Just back from doc’s
I don’t know who has the best heapump, as manufuturers blurb all make out theit imovations are best. Tesla’s heat pump or rather new desisgn is said to be arguably the best on the market. Which come to think about it, I was watching a mechanics review video of the i6 and also looked at the heat pump compating it to this simple but magical design Tesla’s have adopted. Either way we are luck getting perhaps one of the better heat pumps from Hyundai on the scheme.
I got the idea your sums didn’t account to £999 over 3yrs which we agree,
https://insideevs.com/news/632388/tesla-innovative-efficient-heat-pump-explained-new-video/
I’ve had 3 EVs, 2 with heat pumps and 1 without.
Having a heat pump is better for economy when it’s cold ??
The only difference I notice is that this car without the heat pump seems to have a bigger variation in economy from summer to winter than the ones with.
It makes no difference to the heat the car can generate inside the cabin for the passengers, heated seats and steering wheel make a difference.
Like a lot of things on cars today, nice to have but I wouldn’t pay extra for it.
I’ve had 3 EVs, 2 with heat pumps and 1 without. Having a heat pump is better for economy when it’s cold ?? The only difference I notice is that this car without the heat pump seems to have a bigger variation in economy from summer to winter than the ones with. It makes no difference to the heat the car can generate inside the cabin for the passengers, heated seats and steering wheel make a difference. Like a lot of things on cars today, nice to have but I wouldn’t pay extra for it.
Yes, they make a difference, a slight one here but we don’t sit with the heater on full whack for hours on end as it’s -24 outside. It’s easy to say they make a difference, I’d hate to have to provide reliable numbers to prove that buying one for £1,000 or thereabouts isn’t good value for a leased car. If we felt the benefit of a higher selling price, then there’s an argument that the overall price for 3 years would be less because of resale value being higher but the reality of our situation is that we’re paying a whole price for no benefit other than reduced costs.
@kezo, I’d be amazed if those numbers stood up to close inspection but the reality is no matter what buying a heat pump on this lease scheme is a bad financial decision. I’d rather lose on range.I'm Autistic, if I say something you find offensive, please let me know, I can guarantee it was unintentional.
I'll try to give my honest opinion but am always open to learning.Mark
@kezo, I’d be amazed if those numbers stood up to close inspection but the reality is no matter what buying a heat pump on this lease scheme is a bad financial decision. I’d rather lose on range.
Having a quick look round the net. It seems not all heat pumps are equall and dmanufacturers have different takes on how they should work. On the contrary to my beliefs, that all heat pumps needed both a compressor & evaporator, to run in reverse to create heat and combine scavaged heat from components. Esentially AC in reverse or a fridge if you like.
The consumer hasn’t just to make sure a heatpump makes financial sense (as an option), but also do the homework to what system would actually be fitted and whether it would make sense. Do I sense a form of cost cutting by some manufacturers!
As far as Hyundai/Kia go its an excellent system, in that it has all the right bits, which the thread starter may find usefull.
@MFillingham yes I agree, not worth paying extra for ?
Heat on 26 when i had an ICE car…lol. but not the heated seat as well. I think its pretty much normal.
As others have suggested, the Ioniq 5 has the big boot at 570 litres.
Quite a few vids on people using the ioniq 5 for camping and overnight its used 4 to 5 percent battery in Utility mode.
But you take the vids with a pinch of salt. The ioniq 5 Ultimate has memory seats etc.
Quite a few vids on people using the ioniq 5 for camping and overnight its used 4 to 5 percent battery in Utility mode.
I recon you should go camping and let us know ?
Quite a few vids on people using the ioniq 5 for camping and overnight its used 4 to 5 percent battery in Utility mode.
I recon you should go camping and let us know ?
As car camping is my top priority I played around with the 5s fancy front seats last week. You wouldn’t need to bother with the boot and back seats down lol
@kerzo
I recon you should go camping and let us know.
Oh I will do. It is one of the reasons I got the Ioniq for overnights in the mountains.
I went into the Skoda dealership today and there wasn’t an Enyaq in sight or on site, lol. In fact the only Enyaq I saw was the dealership manager’s rather dirty white Coupe VRS parked around the side.
The manager quoted six months build and delivery time for the Sportline Plus 85x, although he did say that he hoped Skoda might be able to cut a month or so off that time, but don’t hold your breath. I’ve been to this dealer three times and still not been able to sit in a Sportline Plus, SUV or Coupe, and of course I haven’t been able to test drive one.
It’s a well specced car and has good reviews, but Skoda have still not got their act together imo.
I then went a few miles up the road to the Hyundai dealership, where I was able to see and sit in an Ioniq 6 Ultimate in nocturne grey metallic, with black leather seats. There were also 2 premium 6’s stood outside the showroom, one was white and the other light silver.
I asked for the keys so that I could play with the software and listen carefully to the Bose audio. I also fully reclined the driving seat and it actually does feel like a bed on full recline. I tried many seat and steering wheel adjustments and found that I could get a comfortable movement from accelerator to brake and back, in fact it took less effort and discomfort than my current Peugeot 3008. Getting in and out was straight forward because the battery pack raises the floor and seat height.
When I sat in the back, I was surprised at how spacious it was, but the amazing thing for me was that I was able to slide over from the right hand seat to the left hand seat. I haven’t been able to do that for two or three decades. The leather seats and totally flat and roomy floor made this possible. I got in the right hand door and exited by the left hand door with a huge self satisfied grin on my face.
I had convinced myself that black was best at showing off the silver insets at the bottom of the car, but the dark and sparkly nocturne grey has given me something to think about.
The showroom car had the digital mirror cameras, and I must admit that they add a bit of aircraft cockpit ‘pizzazz’ to each end of the dash, and they also look very “sexy” outside the vehicle, but I would worry that for that reason they would be a ‘vandal magnet’!
I think I’ve definitely made my mind up between the Enyaq and the Ioniq 6. I’m not prepared to order a new model and spec of car that I haven’t test driven or even seen (to check out the software upgrades), and pay a lot for optional extras (advance pack) for things that are ‘must have’ for me.
For those of you who have decided on the Enyaq don’t let me put you off as it’s a very good car, but my preference is for the Ioniq 6 Ultimate. I was told by Hyundai that my car hand over date of March 12th 2024 would be easily met.
I have an appointment on next Tuesday 12th December at 11 am (exactly three months before my new vehicle date) to place my order, so the only thing left to decide on is the colour. Suggestions anyone?
Nice @POPS i popped into my local Hyundai dealership yesterday to book test drives for the 5 and 6 and all my Skoda dealership can provide is an 80.
The Hyundai dealership had 2 6s one silver and one red. I really like the red and the biophillic blue pearl looks interesting in all the pictures I can find but I think it needs to be seen in the flesh to truly appreciate.
I’m test driving Thursday and Saturday next week, so will report back.
I'm Autistic, if I say something you find offensive, please let me know, I can guarantee it was unintentional.
I'll try to give my honest opinion but am always open to learning.Mark
Nice write up @POPS
I have decided to wait untill Q1 in the hope albeit slim, the 320bhb version joins or the EV6 see’s a vast reduction in AP. Nocturn Grey or digital gren is what I would have chose.
biophillic blue pearl
My dealer had biophillic blue pearl in their showroom. Its a lovely colour but, not sure I would personally choose it on the 6. Its still joint 1st on my shortlist but, for me I would opt for a darker colour, not to stand out in the crowd, any more than I need to!
Obviously your perception may differ from mine 🙂
biophillic blue pearl
My dealer had biophillic blue pearl in their showroom. Its a lovely colour but, not sure I would personally choose it on the 6. Its still joint 1st on my shortlist but, for me I would opt for a darker colour, not to stand out in the crowd, any more than I need to! Obviously your perception may differ from mine ?
Are we talking about the same colour? The blue pearl is nearly black descriptions from owners in groups have included a purple hint in sunlight.
I'm Autistic, if I say something you find offensive, please let me know, I can guarantee it was unintentional.
I'll try to give my honest opinion but am always open to learning.Mark
Are we talking about the same colour? The blue pearl is nearly black descriptions from owners in groups have included a purple hint in sunlight.
No lol, I was thinking the light blue sorry!
He does some superb video’s on the i6, although from Ireland much remains the same bar the the trim levels Signature & Elegance (Ultimate)
I wish this was an Enyaq v 5 instead of 6 or even better the 6 came as an estate or at least hatch
If the 6 worked for me it would be top of my list tbh. I think it’s beautiful inside and out tbh.
@Pops . Very informative. I actually managed to test drive an Enyaq, albeit the 80 version. It drove well enough although I found the drivers information screen small even if it did have the relevant information at hand. All in it was like a tin of Ronseal; “It does what it says on the tin”.There was no WOW factor. If you want to get from A-B as easily as possible then I’m quite sure that you’d be extremely happy with your choice.
I test drove the Ioniq 6 the following day, what a looker! I know it divides opinion, it definitely is a talking point. I found the interior space to be vast, I’m 6″2 and with the drivers seat set for me I could sit directly behind and stretch out my legs, never been able to do that in any previous cars. It will take my wheelchair easily with room for a few other bits and pieces.
I loved how it drives, very smooth, quiet as expected. One thing I did find, when I drove off the rear window was covered with rain as it had been sitting for a few days. As you know there’s no rear wiper, (didn’t stop me trying to twist the stalk though). I needn’t have worried, after a few minutes town driving I found it cleared quickly enough.
TLDR
Ordered the Ioniq 6 when I handed the keys back in. Arriving before Christmas.
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.