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Yeah I couldn’t go back the smell of exhaust fumes makes me feel sick, so there’s that, my hands are better now too given no engine vibrations on the wheel. Mostly though when we switched in 2019 to an MG ZS EV we instantly saved £200 a month on diesel. I really don’t think I could go back to worrying about fuel costs, going to get it etc and our electricity bill is still £150 a month for heating, hot water, cooking and car. It’s a bit like when I got a fully expensed company car with fuel card for personal use again. We’re dead lucky to have our HA fit a heat pump and 4.6kw solar install as it all helps. Plus having an EV opens up lots of cheaper tariffs. I really hope Motability are true to their words and are going to bring APs down
My pet hate was absolutely stinking of diesel everytime you hit the pumps. If it wasnt the diesel soaked pump, it was tracking it into the car on your shoes. I remember when they used to have a glove dispenser and paper towels next to the pumps..not anymore. But no matter what saving £120/month on NOT buying petrol or diesel, that is money in your pocket not the garage.
Even if you cant charge at home, it is still cheaper than pump prices. There is no tco with an ev on the scheme. We are not concerned with depreciation.
My last petrol car on the scheme cost £31k and 3 years later when I handed it back it was on sale in a forecourt for £16k. Thats about the same as ev depreciation, but again, its not something that concerns us.
Yes I know Rich, as I said it takes a couple of weeks before it settles down..
Some models are the scheme and added a couple of weeks later.
Some extreme AP rises that do not make sense.
Probably some of these prices are placeholders for the interim.
As always at new quarter time it takes a couple of weeks before the prices are finalised and cars added to the scheme.
Give it a couple of weeks, be positive people!!
Easy enough once you got the car, login using the App. Add the driver using the driver licence number, declare any accidents, points, or restrictions on the licence.
You got to be accurate with that stuff on any insurance application or the insurance is null and void if you have an accident.
Just use your EV like your petrol car. For most part overnight charging, is most convenient. Away from home, i use Tesla charging, the £90/year and plan the trip on that. If the route doesnt have a tesla chrger, just go with the fastest charger. Even if it costs 90p/kwhr, it doesnt matter, you do that option so rarely, its not a factor. Irs still xheaper than a perrol car. The last time i filled up a car, had a day trip to the seaside an it cost £50 (i cant remember lol).
The bottom line you drive the car and use its luxuries, penny pinching is not what its about.
On a side note, i popped in to tebay Nortbound for a pee and plugged the car in for a short charge, jyst to add 20 miles or so to give me a little leeway until the next Tesla charger. I dont know what make they wre but it was putting 200kw into the car, never had a fast charge like that before. Needless to say it only took 4 mins an was unplugged. Wasnt too bad either i think it was 69p)/kwhr. But yup that was the fastest chargjng av had.
Motability are not interested in the problem. That is why they contract out Dlm insurance and RAC cover.
They just point the customer to the correct agency. How DLM, or Eurocar operates, they do not care.
Best to do a complete video of the exterior, and interior of the car and the mileage, just to cover yourself. Include the positions of the 4 wheels and tyre valves to prove the car has never moved.
Do it to cover yourself in case anything happens to the car. You have that recording on that date.
The unglue thing happened to mine. Its just a thin sheet of decorative plastic. I just put a dab of silicon along the top and taped it back with masking tape until the silicon set.
But just phone ohme and hopefully they get the electrician who fitted the unit to affect a repair. Ohme will know all about the fault, you wont be the first or the last to contact them about it
Looking at comments on MO’s Facebook page, this one comment drew my attention, in that under the privacy policy, it states it can track you in other vehicles (As previously quoted) Comment on FB: “So will all named drivers be required to have this app, and does it need to be active when we are not in the vehicle, My point remains, if it’s eventually rolled out across the board, the car will be returned!
They will lose too many customers with this nonsense. A 2nd phone for the app and leave it home
Its no surprise VW are closing plants its been on the cards for the past 2 years. About 50% of their vehicle sales were in China, until the Chinese EV. Dragon took off and the vw customer base fell off a cliff.
Vw are just re aligning to the new reality of getting beaten by Chinese car sales. Most European manufacturers are in the same boat, cheap quality vehicles flooding the eu market and the knee jerk reaction by the eu? Put tariffs on chinese cars.
For sure its not “Targets ” as you suggest, some are already Law, the rest are transitional, but being made into law.
Most is tied into the ZEV mandate, which IS Law and aimed at vehicle manufacturers. This is from Chatgpt and the current state of UK law and where it is heading. You got to remember politicians need Wiggle Room when required, like BoJo messing with the 2030 date and Starmer on the same day saying its going back to 2030 when they get in power. Its political nonsense the way they turn around.
ChatGPT
ChatGPT said:
It isn’t quite the same as a blanket legal ban today — it’s in the process of becoming law via regulatory mandates. Here’s how it works:What currently is in law / regulation
The UK has introduced a Zero Emission Vehicle (ZEV) Mandate for manufacturers, which legally requires a minimum proportion of new car sales to be zero-emission vehicles. House of Commons Library+2Full Fact+2
Under that mandate, the share of new cars that must be zero emission will increase to 80% by 2030, and 100% by 2035. House of Commons Library+1
In April 2025, the government published a response to a consultation, reconfirming the commitment to “end the sale of new purely ICE cars by 2030” while allowing for hybrids or other flexible pathways in some cases. GOV.UK+2GOV.UK Assets+2
So, the 2030 “end of new ICE car sales” is being embedded via regulatory obligations (the ZEV mandate), rather than being merely a political promise with no enforcement mechanism.What is still just a commitment / subject to change
The detailed rules (what counts as “zero emission,” how hybrids are treated, exemptions, enforcement, penalties) are still under consultation and may evolve. GOV.UK+3GOV.UK Assets+3Full Fact+3
Some small or specialty vehicle manufacturers may be exempt or have derogations. GOV.UK+2GOV.UK Assets+2
The “end ICE by 2030” target has been adjusted before (at one point the government pushed it back to 2035) and could be subject to future change, depending on political decisions. Pod+2The AA+2
Importantly, existing ICE vehicles (and used ICE vehicles) are not targeted to be banned — the restriction is on new sales, not on driving or owning older ICE cars. The AA+2Pod+2Conclusion
So to answer your question:It’s not just a rhetorical target — there are statutory / regulatory levers (the ZEV Mandate) being used to give real legal weight.
But it isn’t a fully ironclad law in every respect just yet — details and scope are still being fleshed out, and there is room for exemptions and adjustments.
If you like, I can check the very latest (2025) legislative texts to see exactly how binding the mandate is now. Do you want me to do that?You said:
Please doChatGPT said:
I did some digging, and here’s what the legal and regulatory status looks like as of 2025 around the UK “2030 ICE phase-out” (sale of new internal combustion engine cars). The picture is somewhat complex, because parts are already law, parts are under consultation, and some decisions remain to be finalized.What is already law / regulation
The ZEV Mandate is now law
On 3 January 2024, regulations establishing the Zero Emission Vehicle (ZEV) Mandate came into force. GOV.UK+2House of Commons Library+2Under this framework, manufacturers of new cars and vans are required (by regulation) to ensure that a certain proportion of their sales are zero-emission vehicles (ZEVs). GOV.UK Assets+3GOV.UK+3House of Commons Library+3
The mandate sets a trajectory: 22% of new car sales must be ZEVs in 2024, rising over time to 80% by 2030. ICCT+5House of Commons Library+5Legislation.gov.uk+5
By 2035, the regulation requires 100% of new cars and vans to be zero emission. GOV.UK Assets+4GOV.UK+4Legislation.gov.uk+4
Thus, the ZEV mandate is a binding regulatory instrument — not just a target — for manufacturers. GOV.UK+3Legislation.gov.uk+3GOV.UK Assets+3
Government’s “restoring 2030 ICE-only ban” proposal partly in consultation / policy form
In April 2025, the government published its response to a consultation and confirmed its intention to restore the ban on new purely internal combustion engine cars from 2030 (i.e. cars without any electrification). GOV.UK+2GOV.UK Assets+2The consultation response states that, “from 2030 all new cars will need to be hybridised in some manner — or be zero emission.” GOV.UK
It also acknowledges that small volume manufacturers, special-purpose vehicles, kits, and micro vehicle makers may have exemptions or require bespoke derogations. GOV.UK+2GOV.UK Assets+2
The government says that part of the policy (defining exactly what “ICE-only” means, which drivetrains are allowed, definitions, thresholds) will require further legislative or regulatory detail. GOV.UK Assets+3GOV.UK Assets+3GOV.UK+3What is not yet fully settled / what remains to be legislated or regulated
The strict 2030 ban on new internal combustion engine (ICE) cars (with no electrification) is not fully implanted as a stand-alone law yet. The government’s 2025 consultation response confirms the intention rather than a completed statute. GOV.UK+2Jones Day+2
The precise definitions and mechanisms (which kinds of hybrid or electrified drivetrains count, the thresholds, credits, exemptions, how small / micro manufacturers are handled) are still subject to further rules or secondary legislation. ICCT+6GOV.UK Assets+6GOV.UK+6
Some flexibility has been introduced (or proposed) in how manufacturers comply with the ZEV mandate (e.g. credit trading, borrowing allowances, credit for reducing average CO₂ emissions of non-ZEVs) — which complicates the rigidity of the system. GOV.UK Assets+3ICCT+3DriveElectric+3
Political changes could affect the final form and timing of the law. The government has shifted between 2030 → 2035 → back to 2030 (for the ICE-only ban) as part of policy decisions. Jones Day+3GOV.UK+3GOV.UK+3Summary & assessment
The ZEV Mandate, with binding obligations on manufacturers to sell rising proportions of zero-emission vehicles, is already law, and thus carries legal force (regulatory penalties for non-compliance).
The “end the sale of new ICE-only cars in 2030” is currently a policy commitment being backed by proposed regulation, but it is not yet fully codified in a standalone statute with all definitions settled.
The government is in the process of embedding that 2030 ICE-only ban through amendments to the ZEV framework or related legislation/regulations.
In short: the 2030 ICE-only ban is more than just a target, but it is not yet fully locked in with all legal detail — it’s in a transitional stage of becoming law.All this can change on a whim by spineless politicians ..
Well, there is NOTHING blinkered about Facts and Figures. They are accurate unlike a Youtuber who doesnt believe in facts and only seeks controversy to bolster his views, it is the blind absurdity of hero worship.
Unfortunately the facts tell a different story. The Facts are that by 2030 there will be no ICE cars sold in the UK. The fact that EVERY year ICE sales are heavily taxed, and increasing as the countdown to 2030 approaches.
The FIGURES for EV sales and amount of Charge points are changing constantly. No matter what a youtuber states, his calculations are defunct before the article is published.
Yes there are challenges ahead, and the figures change every quarter. But technology will evolve and solve the problems with public charging and infrastructure.
Always youtubers paint a bleak and inaccurate picture, they are after all, only interested in the minions watching their rubbish, facts and figures are thrown out the window in the first sentence uttered.
We know who is blinkered….lol.
Dear god.
Forget about facts and figures, here is a Youtuber vid or an archaic car mag and as evidence for the debate.
Trump World is upon us ..lol..
Any webpage with ‘Direct’ in it, is a con. Cameradirect dronedirect, you place your order they take the cash and nothing happens for weeks. Even though every other legit seller are out of stock, these sites say they have stock when there is none. You get your money back easily, but they have had your cash for a few weeks for nothing.
Besides, it doesnt matter in this case, garages only use their verified suppliers, and not ebay or dodgy websites.
Ut yes, anything with “Direct ” in the website, give it a miss.
What Kia are saying is… They will contact you ..dont contact them. They do not know when the part will arrive. As soon as they get the part they will contact you to effect the repair.
They cannot give you a timescale, as they just do not know when the part will arrive.
Mike you will be fine, its a local anaesthetic and it will not take long. Its a bit nippy for a few days after.
You are in good hands, they know what they are doing.
I just had an update on the Ioniq 5, and the safety feature screen, I could adjust the speedo 5 mph higher before it reminds me. I cant remember that feature before. You can adjust it to 3 or 5 mph over the limit.
Dont know if its the same with the Tuscon, i would imagine the software would be more or less consistent across the range.
m Ioniq came with 5m type 2 cable..i think, its still in the bag and never used. A granny charger cable and a V2L socket.
The Daily Star 19hrs ago unfortunately it’s behind a paywall, but may work if you accept cookies (I dont).
@Kezo…install Brave browser, it does away with the cookie nonsense and the paywall stuff.Micky you look after yourself, and your carer as well. You both do a good job of keeping each other going.
Micky, rather than battle with the App yourself, go back to the dealership and ask the motability salesperson to set up the app on your phone for you.
They will be doing that for new customers anyway when they come in to pick up their new car.
Give it a shot…
but I am used to jumping through hoops.
Aaaarrtgghhh dont say that, they will say nothing is wrong with ya!! Lol..
Seriously, you got to watch what you say on social media, they have AI checking everything.
Just watched an accountancy channel, anf HMRC has AI checking, bank accounts, etsy, ebay against socal media and if your tax returns dont match what you say on facebook and X, it gets flagged for investigation.
But please no more jumping and no more hoops.
It was a few years ago that some of the small Fiat cars had a low or Zero NCAP rating, but Fiat still sold them.
It will be interesting to see how MG deals with the problem. Not good for the brand image.
From a business point if view the current model for disposing if vehicles is the most cost effective.
Motability saves a ton of cash by just getting the cars picked up by the Auction house transporter, and sold through auction. No doubt they will have a oarkers book and have a reserve set for the vehicles.
Compare that to having to have a staffed department to organise pick up, storage, valeting and then try and sell them like joe bloggs garage. Its not cost effective.
They want to save cash by minimising servicing and tyres. Thats why it takes a couple of hours before work is approved. My last car, the servicing was videoed for Motability, probably because it needed a suspension arm.
Motability just want the 3 year old vehicles passed on.
Its a bit like an MOT advisory. They found a fault, but it can be fixed easily.
NCAP still gives the MG3 a 4 rating, so that has not changed.
Would I buy an mg3 knowing it has a fault, certainly not..
But as for pulling it from Motability, that is their decision. Given its only a minor fault that can be fixed, a simple solution would be to take it off until its fixed.
