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I’ve done a slightly dishonourable thing and cancelled my order of the Renault Megane E Tech and ordered a Hyundai Ioniq 5 AWD. A consistent wave of reasoning built up against the little Renault, and though I did (and still do) love it, it makes much more sense to go for the DeLorean/Lancia Delta Integrale replica! Also, in my defence, the Megane wasn’t a factory order but was dealer stock, and no handover date had been agreed.
The reasoning was partly due to the significant reduction in AP, in that I wouldn’t have spent £8k on a 2wd Ioniq, never mind how much I love how it looked, but half that for a 4wd? Seems like a great deal, especially considering my rural location, the fact it has a snow mode, and the rarely used but smile inducing 320hp. But, the one feature which had already alerted me to this car, other than the looks, was external V2L. After discovering the leaps in tech by learning about EV’s it occurred to me to think about replacing my ageing petrol back up generator with battery storage. Storm Arwen left us without power for 8 days a few years back so since then we’ve had a 3kw generator in case of blackout, but it isn’t a great solution as the fuel tank is tiny and requires regular top ups, it’s noisy, and occasionally stops as it isn’t really designed as a back up but as a portable. The 3kw supply is plenty to run essential circuits but to replace this with battery back ups is pricey as even the cheapest Chinese versions are about £0.50 per watt of storage (£1000 for a 2kwh battery), and the models with good specs and backed by decent reviews are about double that. Whilst checking this tech out I happened across V2L, or Vehicle to Load for the uninitiated, which allows an EV to output the stored energy at around the 3kw level. Not many EV’s have this facility at the moment, including the Renault, but the Hyundai (and Kia EV6) do. Whilst the car won’t allow full discharge of course, it does allow up to 80% of the battery to be back fed, and can plug in to my existing switching set up. This will offer over 50kwh storage to deploy when we have no mains as the car has a 77kwh battery, and will allow output of around 3kw, all through my existing transfer switch. At least that’s what I believe to be the case, and if so then rather than spend £2k on 2kwh battery back up I can spend £4k on over 50kwh and have the extra benefits the Ioniq offers. I would love to hear any thoughts on this? Do the sparkies amongst us agree that this viable as an emergency back up? If not, why? I guess I’m looking for a bit of positive reinforcement in an area that I’m only just discovering.
TBH even if the V2L doesn’t do what I hope it will the car is still a great option, and having driven it I can confirm that it is really good. The dedicated EV platform again means no lip to try and get your leg over which makes it very easy to get in and out of, especially the Ultimate trim with Tech pack as that has the memory seats which push all the way back when you open the door to allow easy in/out, then return to your driving position once you close the door. Unfortunately I’m limited to the Premium pack to get AWD, but its still very well specced. I’ll do a proper review if requested (not sure if one has already been done on here), but there are lots on YouTube (Mr EV is a good one, he does plenty about the Ioniq 5 and his wife is a scream!). Dealer was great with test drive, had 3 hrs in total over 2 tests, she had 3 cars available to her already in her dealer network, so I’ve gone with Cyber Grey to minimise how much contrast there is with the silver mouldings as these are the one and only part of the aesthetic I’m not convinced on. The matte finish is lovely but I’m not convinced it’ll stand up to the rigours of our rural life, but if she’d had a gold one I’d have been tempted as it apparently hides the dirt really well. All said, I feel like I’ve made the correct choice despite the big jump in AP, but I’ll soon know!
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V2L is great, there’s quite a few instances in the FB groups of uses where they’ve been able to use both the under seat socket and the external one to cook, keep a fridge running, help clean the car and run music for a gathering. Even one person who was selling up said he’d miss the convenience of V2L in the car for his son using the laptop on long journeys.
The interesting part for me is the Ioniq’s 800v infrastructure. Faster charging could make a huge difference on long journeys.
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V2L and super fast charging, second generation electric cars. Excited by this technology entering the Scheme.
Wise move i think, that really is a nice car and high on my wish list. Im going to the dealers on Saturday to look at the ioniq 6 and yes i do like the styling lol even if im the only one who does.
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Thanks, I’ll take a look at that video. The rabbit hole of YouTube is amazing but I often despair how much of my life is being consumed with car and tech reviews! I think I need parental controls set up so I can be monitored on my usage ?.
Actually, I love the Ioniq 6 but no awd drive option means no point looking. They had a black edition version at my dealer and it looked amazing. As with the 5, the 6 reminds me of other classic car designs (back end of a 911 turbo?) whilst being utterly unique. The Korean makes are really making leaps forward with EV design and technology. 10 yrs ago I’d have snobbishly looked down on a Hyundai or a Kia but not any more!
Ioniq’s biderectional charging interface t0 enable V2L is very handy on the move if you want a cuppa. Not only will it power acaravan but, with a little gadgetry and know how, a basic changeover switch you could power the lights in your home in the event of a powercut!
Hyundai are trialling a number of modified ioniq 5’s with a different interface and inverter to that needed for V2L. This will ultimately make the ioniq 5 capable of V2H or V2G. With the use of a bidirectional wall box the possibilities of powering your own, topping up solar batteries will bring the marque into the future. Unfortunately these trials are being carried out in Germany and the Netherland and there’s no guarantee it will make it t every ioniq car.
Coupled with the brand 800v architecture, which is only seen in the likes of the Audi GT and Porsche Taycan, brings the brand as a force to be reckoned with. Its just a shame they can’t match the range of the Enyak!
I had a one hour test drive in the Ioniq 5 today and I was impressed. I’m going to give myself a while to think about the pluses and minuses overnight and I will give you my thoughts tomorrow for those of you who are interested.
I had a one hour test drive in the Ioniq 5 today and I was impressed. I’m going to give myself a while to think about the pluses and minuses overnight and I will give you my thoughts tomorrow for those of you who are interested.
Looking forward to it 🙂
V2L and super fast charging, second generation electric cars. Excited by this technology entering the Scheme.
I totally agree with your comments wmc.
The possibility of charging from 10%-80% in under 20 minutes (on an ultra fast charger) is game changing for prospective owners with range anxiety. Being able to make your own coffee whilst waiting (V2L) is a real nod to independence!
I enjoyed a leisurely test drive yesterday in a car that I previously wouldn’t have considered …. A Hyundai Ioniq 5. My reason for ignoring it was Nearly £7000 AP, for a car I erroneously considered as just a slightly bigger Kona.
I was wrong. The Ionic 5 is a spacious, almost luxurious and superbly well equipped car. It doesn’t look particularly large from outside, but when you sit in it the 3 metre wheel base is immediately apparent. The exterior is modernistic and eye-catching, as is the interior design matched by quality equipment and materials. The Bose audio is ‘banging’ if you like rock music like I do, and in true ‘Bose’ style is bass heavy with the assistance of a sub-woofer.
If I sound like a commercial for the Ioniq then it’s down to me being thoroughly impressed by the design and ambience of this good looking machine.
I must add a disclaimer here though …. I was driving the latest addition to the range, the Namsan. The difference between the Namsan and the Ultimate are the Heat Pump, the enormous ‘Vision’ Sunroof and the amazing high definition digital interior wing mirrors built into either side of the dash fed by two good-looking cameras fitted where the door mirrors would have been located.
I chose a test route that replicated my normal driving which was town driving and B roads with some nice stretches of dual carriageway thrown in. The Ioniq simply excelled. It was quiet and very well balanced, with a good ride over varying road surfaces even with 20 inch wheels. The 77kw RWD that I was driving was also amazingly responsive to the point where the even higher powered 77AWD would have been superfluous, except maybe if you live and drive in rural areas.
The driving seat was very supportive and hugged my back, backside and thighs perfectly, also the head rest is perfect as it’s unusually soft and cosseting which is a bonus for me. The seat was the full relaxation seat which turns into a bed and even has an electrically raised calf support, which means that if you’re on a 5o KW fast charger for 50 minutes you can have a leisurely kip, unless you’re planning to plug in your coffee maker (via V2L) for a cuppa. (Namsan and Ultimate Tech versions only).
The leg room in the back is very impressive and the seats slide forward and back as well as recline if needed. The boot is spacious and electrically operated. The seats were black leather and fully heated (even the side bolsters), and would be my preferred colour for longevity due to my grandchildren, lol.
The only negative that I can come up with is that there is no rear screen wiper.
These are my thoughts on a very enjoyable hour spent with a car that in my opinion ticks most boxes with style and panache. If you’re considering an Ioniq my advice would be, arrange a lengthy test drive on the sort of roads and traffic conditions that replicate your day to day driving. Every one of us is different and what appeals to me might not appeal to you, so please don’t just take my word for it.
The version that suits me is the Ioniq 5 Ultimate 77kw RWD with Tech pack. The current AP is £3999.
Happy motoring.
V2L and super fast charging, second generation electric cars. Excited by this technology entering the Scheme.
I totally agree with your comments wmc. The possibility of charging from 10%-80% in under 20 minutes (on an ultra fast charger) is game changing for prospective owners with range anxiety. Being able to make your own coffee whilst waiting (V2L) is a real nod to independence! I enjoyed a leisurely test drive yesterday in a car that I previously wouldn’t have considered …. A Hyundai Ioniq 5. My reason for ignoring it was Nearly £7000 AP, for a car I erroneously considered as just a slightly bigger Kona. I was wrong. The Ionic 5 is a spacious, almost luxurious and superbly well equipped car. It doesn’t look particularly large from outside, but when you sit in it the 3 metre wheel base is immediately apparent. The exterior is modernistic and eye-catching, as is the interior design matched by quality equipment and materials. The Bose audio is ‘banging’ if you like rock music like I do, and in true ‘Bose’ style is bass heavy with the assistance of a sub-woofer. If I sound like a commercial for the Ioniq then it’s down to me being thoroughly impressed by the design and ambience of this good looking machine. I must add a disclaimer here though …. I was driving the latest addition to the range, the Namsan. The difference between the Namsan and the Ultimate are the Heat Pump, the enormous ‘Vision’ Sunroof and the amazing high definition digital interior wing mirrors built into either side of the dash fed by two good-looking cameras fitted where the door mirrors would have been located. I chose a test route that replicated my normal driving which was town driving and B roads with some nice stretches of dual carriageway thrown in. The Ioniq simply excelled. It was quiet and very well balanced, with a good ride over varying road surfaces even with 20 inch wheels. The 77kw RWD that I was driving was also amazingly responsive to the point where the even higher powered 77AWD would have been superfluous, except maybe if you live and drive in rural areas. The driving seat was very supportive and hugged my back, backside and thighs perfectly, also the head rest is perfect as it’s unusually soft and cosseting which is a bonus for me. The seat was the full relaxation seat which turns into a bed and even has an electrically raised calf support, which means that if you’re on a 5o KW fast charger for 50 minutes you can have a leisurely kip, unless you’re planning to plug in your coffee maker (via V2L) for a cuppa. (Namsan and Ultimate Tech versions only). The leg room in the back is very impressive and the seats slide forward and back as well as recline if needed. The boot is spacious and electrically operated. The seats were black leather and fully heated (even the side bolsters), and would be my preferred colour for longevity due to my grandchildren, lol. The only negative that I can come up with is that there is no rear screen wiper. These are my thoughts on a very enjoyable hour spent with a car that in my opinion ticks most boxes with style and panache. If you’re considering an Ioniq my advice would be, arrange a lengthy test drive on the sort of roads and traffic conditions that replicate your day to day driving. Every one of us is different and what appeals to me might not appeal to you, so please don’t just take my word for it. The version that suits me is the Ioniq 5 Ultimate 77kw RWD with Tech pack. The current AP is £3999. Happy motoring.
I wish there was a way to pm people on here because, what I’m about to say will fill the overactive EV enthusiasts with glee with the tought they have won me over. They haven’t because I’m not entirely convinced @MFillingham & co?
There is nothing that overly excites me on the scheme right now, after a rather deflating Q4 additions to the scheme – well as I thought anyway. It could be said I’m
warmingwell more tepid to to having a look at an electrc car, an ioniq 5 to be more specific but, only if I can find one in stock without travelling the world. You see my daughters award only has a little over 2 years to run (although I can’t why it won’t be renewed) so theres no time to wait. If I’m going to try one, I figurerd there’s no better way than to do it via the scheme.I still have concerns and an awful lot to consider especially on my 3 weekly journey’s, the lack of faster than normal chargers on my route (I haven’t looked in depth) along with the need to get home without too much of a delay (I hate stopping).
I’m nt overly fussed on the pan roof as my daughter no longer likes the blind open on our current vehicle, The heatpump is available for £900 with potential discount, something I would seriously look into given I have Raynauds. Away from the electric thing, one thing that concerns me with Hyundai especially our current one, is its over excited use of an airplanes flight attendant attention button “bing bong” I never known a car bing bong as much as Hyundai’s do and to be honest saying it gets on my pip is an understatement! @POPS can you carify this please.
At this stage its a thought in my distant min, I thought I’d share. Will it materialise into anthing, that I don’t know yet and my thought process must begin. On the other hand I could leave the scheme and buy something suitable but, again I don’t know and nothing to get excited about either way at the moment.
All input welcome 🙂
I didn’t hear one single “bing bong” in an hour kezo. Maybe it’s been removed or there’s a way to switch it off with the Ioniq? Or I might just have been concentrating too hard to notice, lol.
I didn’t hear one single “bing bong” in an hour kezo. Maybe it’s been removed or there’s a way to switch it off with the Ioniq? Or I might just have been concentrating too hard to notice, lol.
Thanks POPS, I may take one out for a spin next week.
I’m taking one out again tomorrow to bring it home and check my local roads. Happy to check any specifics if you can think of any, and I concur with Pops about the lack of interference from the automated systems, in fact I concur with all of his review which was excellent. In terms of stock, and maybe due to the cost to private buyers, there seem to be plenty available in the uk. My dealer had 3 in her network (Arnold Clark) all available within a week, but advised more choice was possible with a small delay. I’d advise anyone ordering to ask the dealer for the specific spec sheet for the exact stock car to ensure it has all the bits you’d expect. There’s some debate on Ioniq forums about standard spec missing due to lack of parts, although the variants my dealer had in the showroom all looked to be as expected.
My dealer, who was lovely, was also misinformed regarding the spec of the demonstrator. Turns out I’ve tested the rwd version so goodness knows how rapid the awd will be! The rwd is plenty fast enough and if I didn’t really need the awd I’d be going with the ultimate including tech pack. So many nice additions, but the blind spot cameras showing the area behind when you indicate is one of those inventions that makes you wonder why it isn’t on all cars. Truly amazing feature that makes multi lane motoring much less stressful.
@kezo it’ll be a while before I could be convinced you were going to be converted. That said, the 800V technology is part of what I thought it’d take to get your attention. V2L could be a great addition, especially when there’s an internal plug.
As has been said, dealer stock seems to be quite decent, so maybe it’s worth @kezo wondering around his nearest Hyundai dealership?
Oh, I agree about the absence of pms. A useful tool especially when you’ve something that’d help one person specifically.
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Great review @POPS Thanks for doing it.
@kezo As is often the case, my thoughts are aligning with yours. Completely underwhelmed with Q4 changes as not currently considering an EV. We are due to change next year and my preference would be to stay with Motability, but only if there’s something that we’d like and it makes financial sense (we are fortunate that we can buy privately if necessary, so we aren’t tied to the scheme).I’m the driver but my wife is the benefit recipient. I’m open minded to an EV if the right one comes along. My wife would need more convincing. We have a large garage that we park in, so charging could be done in there, as long as that’s possible (it’s a long way from the main fuse box) and safe (is there any fire risk charging inside a garage?).
If and when we do go down the EV route, I would almost certainly do so via Motability. A lot of the concerns that are preventing private buyers from moving to EVs are alleviated if you get one through the scheme. Given that Motability seems to be prioritising them and the trade is going to be relying on lease companies to hit their targets, the choice of EVs, which is already reasonable on the scheme, will hopefully improve even more. If we decide to stick with petrol then, as things stand, we’d probably be forced to leave the scheme. Given that many won’t be able to afford to do this, I can see a lot of people moving to an EV potentially sooner than they might want to, in order to get a car that is suitable.
I’m the driver but my wife is the benefit recipient. I’m open minded to an EV if the right one comes along. My wife would need more convincing. We have a large garage that we park in, so charging could be done in there, as long as that’s possible (it’s a long way from the main fuse box) and safe (is there any fire risk charging inside a garage?).
Having a charger in a garage is considered safe. As for cabling it would need to come from your main consumer unit/meter area and clipped around your home and buried where the run to the garage is. Depending on the length voltage drop may come into the equasion and cable sized upped to 10mm2. If you have an outside meter box the supply would come from there. As an alternative you could install the charger externally on the garage wall and run the charge cable into the garage., though it makes no differenc if..
It has issed me off reading what Mike 700 has wrote, rather than what we are led to believe for the shortage of cars spouted Millis. If I were honest I feel as though I’m being forced, rather than a gentle shuv or left to make my own mid up, which ould have been to revisit EV’s in a few years when the range would have hopefully increased, making me more comfortable taking the plunge. I feel sorry for those on the scheme without of road charging capabilities, the lack of other vehile choice, just because Mb have decided to plow £300 million and future profits in everything EV, their choice will continue to dwindle and all they will be offered is a free subscription based charge card “peanuts”. Then there is all this so early on we still have 12 years or more but, Mb prefer to kiss manufacturers feet in the hope they will score because of the governments EV tariff.
Like you I’m kucky and can come off the scheme but I’d also prefer to stay.
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@kezo it’ll be a while before I could be convinced you were going to be converted. That said, the 800V technology is part of what I thought it’d take to get your attention. V2L could be a great addition, especially when there’s an internal plug. As has been said, dealer stock seems to be quite decent, so maybe it’s worth @kezo wondering around his nearest Hyundai dealership
Oh, I agree about the absence of pms. A useful tool especially when you’ve something that’d help one person specifically.I will give it some serious thought mate but, I have got to feel comfortable in myself to make the switch especially the longer journeys visiting my parents 🙂
I will also come to you with any questions I may have, including higher speed chargers along my route 🙂
@pops, I agree with most of your thoughts which mirror ours from our extended test drive of the ionic 5.
Looking at this 800v charging, it also depends on the charging curve of the car temp of the battery, outside temp etc. And the percentage left in the battery at start.
The Enyaq will charge 20-80% in 28 mins, but really these says, I’m not going to be doing many 200 plus Mile one way journeys and, even visiting my son at uni some 170 miles away, we still stop for a comfort break, coffee and food, so no effect realistically on our journey times
The 5 was a lovely car to drive, smooth, quick, but as you say, no rear wiper, though I gather that may change.
It was a high second on my list TBH
@pops, I agree with most of your thoughts which mirror ours from our extended test drive of the ionic 5. Looking at this 800v charging, it also depends on the charging curve of the car temp of the battery, outside temp etc. And the percentage left in the battery at start. The Enyaq will charge 20-80% in 28 mins, but really these says, I’m not going to be doing many 200 plus Mile one way journeys and, even visiting my son at uni some 170 miles away, we still stop for a comfort break, coffee and food, so no effect realistically on our journey times The 5 was a lovely car to drive, smooth, quick, but as you say, no rear wiper, though I gather that may change. It was a high second on my list TBH
https://horaprensa.com/car-reviews/ionity-test-proves-hyundai-ioniq-5s-superb-charging-capabilities/
Although my main concern is finding a non existant charger fast enough to charge at its full potential.
@kezo, personally,nI think currently it’s like the Beta max vs VHS, one much better than the otgerm but the main winner wasn’t the best.
Perhaps when all the Tesla chargers are available, ut might make some difference, but it’s down still to how you use the car
Oh, I agree about the absence of pms. A useful tool especially when you’ve something that’d help one person specifically.
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