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Terrible Engine Choices – Hoping the list will improve before our reorder date in early ’24
Our motability car, still has some life left in it yet. Very low mileage due to covid. The 3yr term will finish early 2024.
But looking at the price lists and available, I despair. The choices look terrible; plus there may be delays…
Were not at all interested in any 3 cyl engine; Actually would prefer a Diesel despite the recent bad press. That alone is pushing us towards probably a bigger car than we need; we could go with something like a Fabia apart from the engine choices or lack thereof. One of the past cars we did have was a Fabia VRS. 1.9 TD; that was a fun car…
Totally not interested in any kind of Hybrid, and especially not any plug-in electrics. We just don’t believe the infrastucture is there or the technology is good enough.
Would be more interested if the industry would move towards Hydrogen fuel cell (or hydrogen combustion – hear toyota has been working on something), but hey.. for now it’s a traditional petrol/diesel.
Here’s hoping the choices improve through this year, we’ll probably be looking to order something early ’24.
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Reality is that with the EU getting ever stricter on emissions and the impending ban on ICE vehicles the choices in the market will continue to reduce. If that’s happening and the manufacturers can happily sell all bigger engined cars at full retail, the scheme isn’t going to improve any time soon. It’s that horrid combination of the tree huggers getting their own way and market forces reducing all scheme options, regardless of propulsion system.
Hydrogen isn’t going to be a starter for a long time, if ever. Even if you can get a car, the number of opportunities to refuel are significantly worse that recharging an electric car, if Toyota are the only serious contender (and that car is priced over £60k) then the chances of the infrastructure for hydrogen improving are slim. Everyone is pointing towards BEV.
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Interesting how different we all are.
The days of Diesels are over, all manufacturers moving away from producing them and absolutely no further development being done.
Hydrogen is still blue sky thinking, with expensive production costs, very few outlets with hydrogen pumps, the system will only make money on HGNs and PSVs not cars, difficult to plug in and literally freezing pump nozzle won’t go down well in the eyes of general public.
In most cases now, the days of large cylinder petrol are dying also. I used to be one who would never have any engine under 2 ltrs but now I have a Skoda Superb Estate DSG with a 1.5 tsi twin turbo and cylinder deactivation. I get 42 mpg and it’s still quick and happily sits above the national speed limit on motorways. Changed my views on engine sizes.
Finally, I don’t agree that the electric infrastructure isn’t there, I will go battery in October as I have looked at the cars, the infrastructure and capabilities. Even in my town of 6,000 people, we have many public chargers, the big city near us has implemented Street chargers.
I don’t agree there is no choice, my issue has been whittling it down to a couple of cars.
But as I said, we are all different
If anything I only see choices for people that want diesel cars getting worse and worse on the scheme. The future is nothing but electric on the scheme imo.
Yeah, I guess we’ll have to see what the list looks like come our ordering period, Jan 1 2024.
Undoubtably Hydrogen & it’s infrastucture won’t be ready, But I do think it’s a better option that battery electric. I think for mass market, people need to be able to rock up to a filling station, and get away within 2-3 minutes and minimal queues/delays. Battery won’t do that, and not everyone can have a home charger; many only have street parking – so councils & power companies need to invest/build out.
The issue for us is going to be probably the (lack of) engine choice, We would be much more comfortable with a traditional 4cyl petrol, or turbodiesel in the interim but those choices are vanishing. Car choice, probably something like an Astra, I’d think.
Might even be that we look to extend our term on the current car, give the choices time to mature.
Richard Greame
I think peoples mindset will have to change, where charging and the time required gets factored into any journey. All political parties with the ability to form a government have tied themselves to ev replacing ICE cars, so like Canute found,mtge waves will still keep coming.
Coventry and other cities are investing in kerbside charging and bringing in ULEZ areas.
With regards to BEV charging, for regular use if you have a drive, it’s easier than ICE. You plug in when you get home, if you have a charger you can then set the charging times and get on with your evening/night. In the morning you unplug and it’s ready to go.
I had a near 500 mile round trip a few weekends ago in an EV, I made one stop that wasn’t scheduled (bladder or food) and the car charged while we were eating/shopping/using the facilities and we could get going again. It’s much easier than a few years ago when cars had short range and needed charging every 80-100 miles. Now you can go further in the car than my bladder will allow.
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If the government change’ their minds and decides to follow the latest EU ruling after Germany, Italy and a group of other countries to push the ICE ban date back, you may be in with a chance. Although you may be pushing it with diesels being here much longer.
KENZO, it’s not a pull back from the ban on ICE vehicles, rather an exemption on cars which will be powered with “Carbon neutral fuels” which more development needs to be done and the cost is much higher than current petrol.
Also, the individual cities, introducing ULEZ zones will mean second hand ice cars becoming worthless.
this EU “Compromise” just proves that the EU us really Germany ruling the EU
Full report on Germanys compromised forced through here
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