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Keep up the good work Liz.
How much are the SNP paying you to help with their fight for independence lol.
Much of the audience seemed to agree with her so why are continuing this charade. The English people want us out and I want us out so lets make it happen lol.
The only person who got all his work done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe.
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she intends reducing all public sector pay outwith lovely old london. i expect pensions will be reduced too, as will scottish, welsh budgets etc as obviously they dont need as much as londoners.. its an interesting way to round up. she seems to have been hired by the labour party
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Last Car: Toyota C-HR Excel Hybrid...4 way 80kg hoistI think if I was Scottish I would be asking myself why is she begging for more money and what has she done with the money already allocated. Under the Barnett formula devolved nations get more capita per head than England does andI don’t live in England anymore.
I don’t see any of the other devolved nations beg and moan like she does, but I expect she is ploughing alot of money into indy ref 2.
In out shake it all abou,t to be honest I couldn’t be bothered either way. If ever she/you got here/your way have you even considered the job losses for those working south of the border should there be a hard border, MoD moving south, all new planned industry such has the battery factory closing and moving south of the border. Not to mention a substantial divorce bill that will have to be paid, yet she has no money. Its also worth mentioing oil as we know it is a dyng breed, although most of it is in foriegn hand anyway. Should Scotland ever rejoin the EU it will ony be a puppet on a string and it will take years to get in, if they allow it at all. Saying they will and doing so are totally two different things.
Kezo your 100% correct, why the English people put up with subsidising Scotland, and the Scottish people, is beyond me. Rather than us leaving the “Union” you should be kicking us out.
The only person who got all his work done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe.
Anything i post over three lines long please assume it is an article lol.Kezo your 100% correct, why the English people put up with subsidising Scotland, and the Scottish people, is beyond me. Rather than us leaving the “Union” you should be kicking us out.
To be honest mate I don’t care about governments , nor have I ever done, but I do care about the average Joe public like you and me. I have gained quite a few friends over the years in Scotland (many from holidays abroad) and we visiteach other on a regular basis.. The majority of them don’t want to split from the UK but some do and I get both sides of the argument.
only time i get pro independence is when some tit in westmonger says stuff like lizzy did. at least sturgeon was actually elected.
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Last Car: Toyota C-HR Excel Hybrid...4 way 80kg hoistLiz Truss U-turns on plan to cut public sector pay outside London
Liz Truss has been forced to U-turn on plans to cut civil service pay outside London after a furious outcry from Conservative MPs and the Conservative Tees Valley mayor.
A spokesman for her leadership campaign said there had been a “wilful misrepresentation of our campaign” but confirmed she was abandoning plans for regional pay boards for civil servants or public sector workers.
The Torys AKA the U turn party.
i could care less about sturgeon and what she says or wants. or the 2 trying to be leader of the conservatives,they are just saying whatever will appeal to the party faithful knowing once they are in they can forget all about it.
i just dont see how the numbers stack up even with whats left of oil, many industries and mod/nuclear subs etc would move south either taking workers with them or leaving swathes of unemployment.
would scotland retain the scots regiments of the armed forces? how would she cover that bill? i think i am right in saying the snp want the nukes out and by default the sub fleet off scots soil.
and although she says the would rejoin the eu, its not a gimme and just look at the hoops turkey hungary etc are having to jump through turkeys been at it for years and theyre not yet a full member.
Why not have another vote for or against independence..
Mitch nothing about Scottish independence will be easy, the costs, the subs and many many other things. Thankfully it will be dealt with by others ?
Why not have another vote for or against independence..
And if the result is to leave the UK, then surely there will need to be a third referendum to make it a best of 3. ???
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My car SEAT Ibiza SE Tec 1.2 petrol TSI 2017.brydo, oh i agree with you but for a fair vote surely it should all be agreed before hand so people know what they are getting. although i suppose that didnt happen with brexit did it. both sides told so many lies and forecasts of doom and disaster or miracle wealth and prosperity neither came true lol.
There will never be an independent Scotland. I don’t understand why so much breath is wasted on the idea.
There will never be an independent Scotland. I don’t understand why so much breath is wasted on the idea.
i would never say never, but it wont happen im my lifetime imo.
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Last Car: Toyota C-HR Excel Hybrid...4 way 80kg hoistWhat would the mortgage rate be for our young families in an independent Scotland. Ask that question and you won’t get an answer from any SNP MSP. A new country with no financial history.
Blackj nobody could tell you to be honest, i havnt looked at mortgage rates for small countries like Eire they dont seem too bad. They are, of course, in the EU so not a direct comparison.
Fear of taking the jump is the biggest obstacle to independence and i totally understand that. We have had our affairs looked after by Westminster for hundreds of year’s so a big change would be frightening.
The only person who got all his work done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe.
Anything i post over three lines long please assume it is an article lol.Wigwam, thankfully you dont get a vote.
The only person who got all his work done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe.
Anything i post over three lines long please assume it is an article lol.Wigwam that was before Brexit. The Unionists used membership of the EU as a reason to remain in the Union. I realise that is just another example of British establishment lies, but it no doubt influenced the result.
The fact is the Tories have no respect for anything outside of Englands borders. But can anyone explain why when the Celtic fringe Countries are such a draw on the UK treasury the Tories aren’t forcing them to become independent? After all the Tories are proud of their reputation for Fiscal acumen. A strange conundrum that don’t you think?
@Daf Hyperthetically lets say you left tomorrow, there is no way Scotland would rejoin the EU the day after. It would take years upon years to rejoin the EU if at all, regardless of what the EU or Sturgeon says. Even if Scotland were allowed back in, it would only be treated as a puppet.
Lets say there is no settlement bill invoved Scotland will straigt away loose around £41b a 2.4% rise over the Barnett formula plus money for public sector and farming. GERS put it at around £81bn for 2019. Doesn’t really matter which as it will be no more. Scotland deficit would be more than the rest of the UK put together. Scotlands revenue amounts to around £64bn which incldes revenue from offshore gas and oil. However this would be split 50/50 geographically in the north sea should Scotland choose to leave. Not to mention gas/oil as we know it is a dying trade. I won’t go into debt Scotlandwill be in for some years to come. Which leads me back to the EU won’t want a country in debt. Any jobs souyh of the border will be lost, investment and planned investment in new tech will be lost along with jobs when it comes south of the border along with the MoD, more than likely also including the scotts guards. Scotland will essentially lose its currency the £ regardless what is printed on it.
You may think Brexit was bad (although I’m happy to have voted for it) you ain’t seen nothing yet should the majority choose to leave, which I doubt when it comes to the wire placing votes on the ballot. Most Scots will be bright enough to see through the lies of the unionist Project which they did the first time around. Add to that Sturgeon and the Unionist party are faling oiut of favour with the electorate.
Either way it doesnot bother me, but perhaps putting indyref 2 vote to the whole of the UK may stand a better way of granting your wish.
I’m the English born son of a Glaswegian, my grandad was a shipbuilder on the Clyde, my nana was from a small village in the highlands. I’m very wary about independence. As a remainer I would be happy to see Scotland independent and back in the EU. However, I have a lot of misgivings. Look at the lies of the EU referendum, look at the public discourse and divide, look at Dover, look at (some) of the shortages, look at the struggling businesses.
If Scotland were to become independent, it won’t be plain sailing, the Nationalists are just as likely to sugarcoat the sunny uplands as the Brexiters were. Also, taking British identity from certain Scottish people is nothing like taking EU membership from a remainer. Do people really think certain groups of proud Scottish Brits will be happy with this and just say ‘okay Nicola you won, how do we move forward’, I see lots of problems bringing the country together after Independence. As I said, I’d love to see an independent Scotland back in the EU, I’d move there myself, but I’m very wary. Anyway, I don’t get a vote so my thoughts are irrelevant.
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I think it’s important that the facts are put to the people so they know what they are voting for. The “divorce” bill will be massive but remember a large portion of this we would be paying for even if we stay in the U.K. .We don’t get a free ride if we stay in the Union, we will be paying off the massive debt, much of which we had no say in accumulating, for decades.
England could of course try to punish Scotland, similar to what the EU is doing just now to the U.K. but there is no winner in this situation as we trade £billions between our countries so both would be damaged.
The way I see any “divorce” payments being met is over decades like a tax. Just a pity there’s no chance of Westminster returning the £billions gathered in tax from the North Sea oil revenues.
Wigwam there will be a vote, one way or the other. Nicola Sturgeon has made it clear that at the next election if you vote SNP you are voting for independence. So if Westminster don’t “allow” a vote, it will still happen.
- Of course it won’t Brydo. She can make up anything she wants. It will have no standing.
The EU would not allow a breakaway Scotland to join. They have said as much. It would give a green light to other separatist movements in EU countries.
For those who give a toss for Sturgeon and her fantasies, this is worth a read:
https://www.effiedeans.com/2022/07/the-whole-snp-argument-depends-on.html?m=1
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