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I’ve watched in disbelief to what’s been happening in the US during the past four years and I can’t for the life of me see a way forward that will satisfy both sides.
Trump has caused much of the distrust but mostly he has revealed and amplified what was already there and that is a far right underbelly that makes the ERG look like communists.
Hatred of anything not white or not American, as they see it, is commonplace amongst many extreme right wing Republicans, even Republican senators and house representatives are spewing hatred and revenge.
So is there a way to heal this broken country or should they just split as they probably should have done in 1861.
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No. Middle America is right leaning and religious. People are leaving California because they say it is too left wing and progressive. If anything changed in the long term, I’d bet on California leaving the Union and going it alone.
But of course constitutionally no State can leave without the agreement of the rest. That was settled by the Civil War. I doubt anyone wants another one of those.
Don’t know whether recent events will mean the break up of the USA. Would be poetic justice though, following the nation’s successful campaign to continue breaking up the EU.
Moreover, how can anyone make any predictions about a country which, in 2016, lost 33,500 lives to firearm killings? That’s just a few thousand less than the US annual average road-accident deaths!
The UK loses some 50/60 lives per year to gun crime and about 1,800 to road accidents.
Gun crime in the US is appallingly high but deserves study. More than 50% of gun deaths are suicides and of the others most are within ethnic minorities and barring Alaska most common in the southern states. I doubt there’s a fix, unfortunately. Too many vested interests…
Wigwam – seems obvious too me that the US wants the EU to break: removes any “threat” to US global power. A United States of Europe would pose a threat, they think. Moreover, Trump was a strong supporter of Boris in the whole Brexit disaster.
Totally agree about gun crime. The “right to bear arms” is way past its usefulness, As you say, vested interests will keep it in the Constitution.
OK, so maybe it IS just me, then. But BBC commentators are often voicing opinion that Trump and Putin were well pleased with the UK’s exit from the EU. Given the propensity of both, particularly the USA, to interfere in the fate of their satellite nations then it seems logical that they had some influence in Brexit. Particularly when one examines the USA’s past history of destroying whole industries to protect and sell its own products. The British and Canadian aviation industries were taken apart so that the US could sell its aircraft in place of the much better home-grown product.
The US constitution was written in very different times and is now starting to show it, however, even after the ongoing Trump debacle, there appears to be no bipartisan appetite to change it.
But of course constitutionally no State can leave without the agreement of the rest. That was settled by the Civil War. I doubt anyone wants another one of those.
Not quite sure this is actually correct. Texas was/is a Republic in its own right and could set up on its own if it was decreed necessary.
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@wigwam The internet doesn’t always tell the truth though. I am married to a Texan and have relatives there. What is actually taking place in the US is not reflected in the media, some of which is so biased, they wouldn’t recognise the truth if they fell over it. The Republic of Texas was founded on 2nd Mar 1836 10 years before it became part of the USA. It still has the right to cede from the Union. Suggest you dig a little deeper.
<p style=”text-align: left;”>Nonesense. Texans would like to think so and have been arguing their corner for years. The US Constitution prevents it. There has been a stream of legal arguement and in every case Texas has failed.</p>
@wwigwam I have no intention of arguing the point, I know who is right, so let’s leave it at that. The facts are clear, irrespective of what the internet thinks. Case closed.
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You could always read the Constitution of Texas. It’s quite clear:
“Texas is a free and independent State, subject only to the Constitution of the United States, and the maintenance of our free institutions and the perpetuity of the Union depend upon the preservation of the right of local self-government, unimpaired to all the States.”
And the Constitution of the US which Texas is subject to has no provision for a State leaving. It can’t happen without the agreement of all the other States.
Texas separatists rather like the SNP live in cloud cuckoo land.
Wigwam I think you need to have a bit more consideration with your posts. Everyone has there point of view and every second post I read from you, you are arguing with someone.
Your reverence to the SNP being in cloud cuckoo land I found offensive.
No surprise there wigwam.
I’ve said it before Wigwam it takes a strong mature balanced individual to admit errors and have the good grace to apologise. As with many on the right, emboldened by Trump no doubt, those more civilised human traits are viewed as weakness.
Tharg there is no doubt that The USA under Trump viewed the EU as a serious threat to their hegemony. Trump went out of his way to meet prominent Brexiteers and it’s well known that Trump hated the EU for not rolling over and falling online with his plans in the middle East. It will be interesting to see if Bidens administration takes a less confrontational approach.
Federalism is a pretty elastic concept, there is probably plenty of wiggle room as there have been lots of stresses in the past, divergent economies, time zones and climates. I would have thought the only real threat would be if California wanted to go it alone, but I can’t see that happening as federalism allows a lot of divergence.
@Daf Thanks for that. Glad that it isn’t just me that thinks the US interferes with other nations’ policy, politics and industry, sometimes in a most malicious manner…
@Tharg I think its easier to count the Countries the USA hasn’t interfered in! Perhaps some on this Forum are afflicted by that well known malaise ” blinded by the right” where having spent so much time on right wing websites they become oblivious to anything other than propaganda.
Trump entertained virtually all of the leading Brexiteers and spoke in glowing terms of his support for the cause. Theres no doubt that American money has gone into various right wing groups including neo Fascists. Trump in particular viewed the EU as an economic foe and went about degrading relationships with former EU allies.
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