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More patients than ever before are on hospital waiting lists in England and delays in A&E have hit their worst level since records began.
The target to start cancer treatment within 62 days of an urgent referral is also being missed.
The monthly statistics are the worst since targets were introduced, over a decade ago, prompting doctors to warn the system was “imploding”.
None of the three key hospital targets has been met for over three years.
The figures show:
4.42 million patients on the waiting list
84.8% of them waiting under 18 weeks – below the 92% target
83.6% of accident-and-emergency patients admitted or transferred within four hours – below the 95% target
76.9% of cancer patients starting treatment within 62 days – below the 85% target
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Everyone’s sick …………………. of Brexit lol ?
And while wee are not talking about the General Election:
Voting intention by class
Middle class:
Conservative 38%
Labour 29%
Lib Dem 19%
SNP 4%
Green 4%
Brexit Party 3%Working class:
Conservative 47%
Labour 27%
Lib Dem 9%#Brexit Party 5%
SNP 3%
Green 3%YouGov/Sky/The Times 11-12 Nov#GE2019
— Matthew Goodwin (@GoodwinMJ) November 14, 2019
Wigwam that is TEEPEEcle of you I bet your SITTING talking BULL with a bowl of CUSTERS (last stand) wondering how you can bring politics back to the forum. I think your in HEEP BIG trouble, HOW I hear you ask looking for the CAVALRY to rescue you lol.
The only person who got all his work done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe.
Anything i post over three lines long please assume it is an article lol.And there’s me thinking the NHS was political given that all the parties can’t stop talking about it (except the SNP who’d rather you talked about something else please).
As long as it’s true there should be no problem with it, if it is not then I have a major problem with it.
To make informed choices we need true and accurate info, as long as that is the case there should be no complaints.
The only person who got all his work done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe.
Anything i post over three lines long please assume it is an article lol.The NHS the envy of the world? No other country has copied it. Health outcomes are better in most west European countries under private/public insurance systems. But the NHS is s sacred cow we are stuck with. No politician is brave enough to change it.
I believe the NHS must be taken away from political control, not sure what would take the place of the government, maybe a group or forum should oversee the NHS with an ongoing, set, financial contribution being agreed every five years, in advance, no matter who is in power.
Politicians are not the people to run the NHS.
I think we need to get creative with ADDITIONAL funding with tax breaks for regular, and one off, donations directly to the NHS. Companies should be incouraged to contribute to both the NHS and local hospitals and other NHS facilities.
This part is trickier and almost impossible to introduce but people must be responsible for their own health also. I am overweight and constantly watch what I’m eating, I have minor heart problem that isn’t helped by being overweight. So I should take responsibility for getting healthier.
There are a number of obvious health improvements we could make but surely the most obvious one is to stop smoking. The number of people who are treated for smoking related illnesses and continue to smoke is disgraceful.
Do we continue to throw money at people who do this, the answer is yes the same as we will alcoholic’s and drug users etc, but there is no doubt this money could be better spent elsewhere.
The only person who got all his work done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe.
Anything i post over three lines long please assume it is an article lol.the nhs is a political ping pong ball with the political parties all claiming they will spend more etc etc.
but none of them will do what is necessary and overhaul the whole thing, its a nightmare.
the specialists all want to protect their private money making empires and work as little as possible in the nhs.
the unions want in on every little decision to extract more out of the system, google the accounts of the major unions and see how much they pay themselves,nice when your members are on strike pay.
systems and hospitals cant be streamlined or moved because everyone wants their own hospital in their backyard.
i work in accounts and have over the years done temp work in a county pct, an nhs trust and east mids amb service and you would not beleive the amount of money wasted on stuff like car leasing schemes and repair contracts and infrastructure projects that should never have been started.
one trust wanted to lease a car for a nurse trainer who worked accross a number of sites the unions insisted that if she got a car then everyone of a similar grade got one even if they worked on a single site. it cost a rediculous amount and the administration costs as it was then expanded to allow staff to get a private car through the scheme and have the cost deducted at source was one and a half full time accounts staff.
i did a cost analysis of the increase in administrative costs for a trust over a 5 year period and a study of the savings that could be made by reforming the temp recruitment or bank system and boy did that open a can of worms yet the unions went mad you would think that they would want to reduce the number of temps used and the filling of permanent posts yet they fought tooth and nail to keep the bank system.
so now i just ignore the politicians as no matter what they give the nhs its like feeding a black hole, until the whole thing is reformed top down it aint going to improve.
the nhs is a political ping pong ball with the political parties all claiming they will spend more etc etc. but none of them will do what is necessary and overhaul the whole thing, its a nightmare. the specialists all want to protect their private money making empires and work as little as possible in the nhs. the unions want in on every little decision to extract more out of the system, google the accounts of the major unions and see how much they pay themselves,nice when your members are on strike pay. systems and hospitals cant be streamlined or moved because everyone wants their own hospital in their backyard. i work in accounts and have over the years done temp work in a county pct, an nhs trust and east mids amb service and you would not beleive the amount of money wasted on stuff like car leasing schemes and repair contracts and infrastructure projects that should never have been started. one trust wanted to lease a car for a nurse trainer who worked accross a number of sites the unions insisted that if she got a car then everyone of a similar grade got one even if they worked on a single site. it cost a rediculous amount and the administration costs as it was then expanded to allow staff to get a private car through the scheme and have the cost deducted at source was one and a half full time accounts staff. i did a cost analysis of the increase in administrative costs for a trust over a 5 year period and a study of the savings that could be made by reforming the temp recruitment or bank system and boy did that open a can of worms yet the unions went mad you would think that they would want to reduce the number of temps used and the filling of permanent posts yet they fought tooth and nail to keep the bank system. so now i just ignore the politicians as no matter what they give the nhs its like feeding a black hole, until the whole thing is reformed top down it aint going to improve.
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How true, because let’s all be clear, the NHS is not underfunded – NHS spending has risen from £78 billion, in 2006 to some £126billion + this year , and it has been rising at a greater rate in the last few years than it ever has before, nor is it being privatised, it will always be free .
Auxiliary services, which perhaps can be better & more cheaply & efficiently run by outside organisations should however be put up to competition – so that money saved can be put towards front line healthcare – that’s not privatisation of the NHS , it’s plain common sense, even the Labour Party understand this, and went down the same road.
If anyone really thinks that the NHS is better run by any political party, just look at the dreadful state of the NHS in Wales – land of my birth.
Because of an ageing population , not the fault of any particular political party, actually, more the success of healthcare generally, and a massive increase in population, mainly from immigration, ( btw I am not commenting on whether immigration is good, bad or indifferent, just that it is one reason for a population increase ), & the ‘lottery win ‘ new contracts given to GP’s by Mr. Blair, the NHS is costing more certainly, but it is not underfunded.
The problem lies not with underfunding, it is the waste of a lot of this funding ( clearly well known within the NHS) and if this can be reversed, there would be no real healthcare problems – the funding is there, it just needs better managing.
But until this can be done, then more good money will have to be poured in – but from where?
Truth needs to be told about restrictive practices, management waste, inefficiencies and costs, but no party is brave enough, ’cause the truth will lose them votes!
Ironically, the NHS is still the envy of the world, so front line staff are clearly doing us proud!
When the NHS was founded back in1948 it had a budget of
£437m, which is about £9 Billion at today’s value
£64.17 billion in 2003/04
£109.72 billion in 2013/14,
£113.03 billion 2014/15 ,
and in 2015/6 around £115.4 Billion, to the £126 billion quoted above!So no matter how many times ’’the terrible state of the NHS and the underfunding’ is dropped into every conversation, it is still an out & out deception ,designed to frighten the elderly & the vulnerable- just another Project Fear trying to influence voting?
Mike, NHS is the envy of the world” who said that? Why has no other country copied it? In particular western European countries who after the war rebuilt their states and had every opportunity.
Let’s consider alternatives to the NHS:
“France is perhaps the best example, as it blends a patient centric and choice-based schematic – with a healthy dose of private sector involvement – alongside state coverage and provision. It manages to combine great healthcare outcomes – which come from the incorporation of competition, with healthcare for all – which only the state can guarantee. Indeed, one of the most comprehensive comparative studies of world healthcare systems undertaken, The World Health Organization’s 2000 report, ranked the French healthcare system the best in the world.
The French system is universal, in so far as it provides healthcare for all. The use of government in its delivery is considerable, but not excessive (40% of French hospital beds are provided by charities or for-profit companies.) But there is perhaps one key difference, which allows the French system to be so effective: employer provided insurance. Although the government will cover anyone who doesn’t have access to employer provided insurance – providing a minimum of healthcare access – many have extra insurance on top of their basic cover. So, you have a government set baseline, with options for individuals to supplement their cover with private alternatives.”
Mike, NHS is the envy of the world” who said that? Why has no other country copied it? In particular western European countries who after the war rebuilt their states and had every opportunity.
Well, WW I have been a contributor to the NHS for over half a century, and reliant upon it for the last 10 years, and once before in the early eighties, and to compare the service received, I have attended several hospitals and doctors surgeries etc throughout Europe, Scandinavia, Australasia, and the Americas, for accidents and emergencies etc., not just for me, but for the whole family and whereas some are state of the art super providers, there is usually a super price to pay as well, compared to the free service here!
Having had one particular parachuting accident, the cost in the US would have been some $150,000 compared to zero here, and a cousin had a bone marrow treatment costing over $5million , yes Million, in California, whereas here would have been free on the NHS, , I could go on, but this sort of personal experience and anecdotal evidence from my travels confirms that the NHS is the envy of the World, as far as patients are concerned .
‘Patients’, Politicians may ask in some surprise, but let’s not forget that the NHS was established as a service for ‘patients’ not and I repeat not as a career path for staff, medical or otherwise, and certainly not something to be used by politicians & trade unions alike, to gain political points, and he plain fact is that this ‘badly managed, highly inefficient money pit is eating up money at a frightening rate, a lot of which is wasted instead of being used to provide ‘ super healthcare ‘?
Nevertheless it is a Godsend but clearly is not perfect, and really is often badly managed & poorly financed, and in some areas is grossly inefficient .
I used to volunteer in a hospital and met many people from other countries who felt that our NHS was superb!
There’s nothing free about the NHS Mike. We pay for it through taxation. Other countries pay for their systems through a combination of compulsory employment based insurance and general taxation for those not employed. It works out the same in the end except the state does not dictate the services provided, the employees and their families choose the scheme that want to join do. See my post about the French health service.
I also have experience of health provision in France and Belgium and the hospitals there. UK hospitals are a joke by comparison.
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