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Daily Mail article bashing Motability:
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I predict that this issue will come back again in a year or two. Whilst this article is more balanced than others, it still incorrectly asserts that fewer people will qualify for the scheme following last weeks changes to PIP criteria. As we know, the changes only applied to the Daily living component, and there was no change at all to the Mobility criteria. Therefore, not a single Motability customer will lose their car, nor will any new claimants be prevented from getting one, due to these changes. The scheme will therefore continue to grow and the story will return along the lines of âthe clampdown failedâ đ
Motability car many will have to hand back if they take away Care due to many using their carers who drive there cars for them as they do say that even people who need help to wash and dress may lose this. It is worrying due to not the numbers on PIP but due to cost cuts 5 billion being cut over everything at DWP and even a past DWP assessor said when he worked there it was bad then and with these outrageous cuts will put many into poverty and in the long run cost more due to health issues losing their income. But it is not all doom and gloom yet as it has to go through parliament and the lords and there maybe Equality issue legal cases as well.
I have already signed this Scope petition and the one to my MP and in contact with my MP they tell me even though he votes with the Gov on things like the winter fuel cuts he is really having to think about this one as it may backfire on the Govt here is what I signed.
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We understand that these proposed changes will be worrying to many disabled people and their families. Go Scope uk site title search PIP cuts it will go straight to info.Motability car many will have to hand back if they take away Care due to many using their carers who drive there cars for them as they do say that even people who need help to wash and dress may lose this. It is worrying due to not the numbers on PIP but due to cost cuts 5 billion being cut over everything at DWP and even a past DWP assessor said when he worked there it was bad then and with these outrageous cuts will put many into poverty and in the long run cost more due to health issues losing their income. But it is not all doom and gloom yet as it has to go through parliament and the lords and there maybe Equality issue legal cases as well.
Nobody will have to hand back their Motability car as a result of these changes. The changes only apply to the Daily Living component of PIP, which has nothing whatsoever to do with eligibility for the Motability scheme. The criteria for the enhanced Mobility element of PIP, which is what makes people eligible for the Motability scheme, arenât changing at all.
Not sure if you get it lost income means some will be unable to afford there car as there carer drives it for them and not only that some who work under PIP if they lose care will be unable to get to work due to no carer. This cut will to PIP under the having to have 4 points even some severe disabilities will lose income as some disabled as said who have carers if they only get mobility and lose over £400 a month or more it does take much sense to work out why would you need a mobility car unless you have enough income to afford to lose that amount of money.
Just as you could say nowadays that nobody needs a Subaru Outback. There are cheaper vehicles that would suffice. However, if a disabled person can afford it and would like âxâ vehicle, they should be given the opportunity to level up the playing field with the able bodied and have one. As you should know, it makes no negative difference monetarily to the country what people drive on the scheme. Infact, if they choose a âgas guzzlerâ they are contributing positively to the finances of the country by paying more duty on the extra fuel used.Oddly accurate choice of car for your counterpoint… that is my exact cat at the moment.As for levelling up the playing field Range Rovers for everyone then? @Volts As for the dealer claiming that an Audi R8 was once on the scheme, either he has a great sense of humour or is a complete idiot
A well known and valued dealer on a similar named Facebook group.I have no reason to doubt his claimOdd that heâs used The Times given that (as far as I know) itâs not one of the newspapers that has criticised the scheme? I donât subscribe to The Times so have no idea what heâs said, but I doubt that many of the Neanderthal types who populate the comments section of many newspapers read it, so ignorance will still prevail regarding âfreeâ cars etc Having thought about it, there are two things that I think Motability should do; 1) They need to explain that the advance payment covers all the additional costs of each car, so someone driving a BMW i4 with an ÂŁ8k advance payment is not being âsubsidised by the taxpayerâ any more than someone who is driving a Hyundai i10. Manufacturers are throwing vast discounts off EVs at fleet operators, as they see them as the only way to have half a chance of getting anywhere near their ZEV targets. Also, brands like BMW have far better residual values, and as depreciation is always the biggest cost of running a car, thatâs why it makes sense to have such brands on the scheme. 2) As the Motability website, and all vehicle price details, are on a publicly available website, more should be done to show the total costs to the Motability customer of running the car. If someone buys a car privately using, say, a PCP plan, the totality of costs over the whole term (deposit + 36x monthly payment + interest costs + final payment if relevant) are shown. Many of the press and certainly the public comments simply quote the Advance Payment of the Motability car, thinking thatâs the only cost. They either ignore, or are unaware of, the sacrificed benefits. Iâd like to see a box on each cars details showing what the âtotal costâ is over a 3 year lease (advance payment + sacrificed benefits) to make people realise just how much they cost. As an example, for a PIP recipient, the ÂŁ8k BMW, once sacrificed PIP benefits are added, would show âThis car will cost you ÂŁ20,000 (ÂŁ8k AP plus ÂŁ12k sacrificed benefits) over 36 monthsâ. This would go a big way to helping correct all the nonsense and half truths in the media. Of course, it might make some Motability customers balk at just how much their cars are really costing them as well!
100% get it out in the open
@Volts The dealer (if indeed thatâs what they are) is talking nonsense or, more likely, is a wind up merchant. The R8 is a V8 and V10 2-seater sports car with a starting price of well over ÂŁ100,000. It has never been available through Motability – ever. As with many things that appear on Facebook, itâs utter rubbish.
@Volts The dealer (if indeed thatâs what they are) is talking nonsense or, more likely, is a wind up merchant. The R8 is a V8 and V10 2-seater sports car with a starting price of well over ÂŁ100,000. It has never been available through Motability â ever. As with many things that appear on Facebook, itâs utter rubbish.
Your choice chief. the source isn’t utter rubbish and is valuable as this forum. I choose to use both
@Volts The dealer (if indeed thatâs what they are) is talking nonsense or, more likely, is a wind up merchant. The R8 is a V8 and V10 2-seater sports car with a starting price of well over ÂŁ100,000. It has never been available through Motability â ever. As with many things that appear on Facebook, itâs utter rubbish.
Your choice chief. the source isnât utter rubbish and is valuable as this forum. I choose to use both
The Audi R8 0r V10 has never been on the scheme, can you imagine the upfront AP apart from servicing, insurance and tyre cost
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
Thank you @Oscarmax I was beginning to wonder if the R8 was on the scheme at the same time that the Aston Martin DB7 and Ferrari 328 GTS were đ
On a serious note, it doesnât help when people repeat some of the garbage online as being fact on this forum. We know of at least one anti-Motability YouTuber who used this forum to source info for one of his videos, so we donât need to feed the trolls with untrue information that they can then throw back at us.
Thank you @Oscarmax I was beginning to wonder if the R8 was on the scheme at the same time that the Aston Martin DB7 and Ferrari 328 GTS were đ On a serious note, it doesnât help when people repeat some of the garbage online as being fact on this forum. We know of at least one anti-Motability YouTuber who used this forum to source info for one of his videos, so we donât need to feed the trolls with untrue information that they can then throw back at us.
No, it was the Ferrari 360 that was on the scheme with the DB7. Ishould know, I had both on back to back leases. đđ€Ąđ€Ł
Not sure if you get it lost income means some will be unable to afford there car as there carer drives it for them and not only that some who work under PIP if they lose care will be unable to get to work due to no carer. This cut will to PIP under the having to have 4 points even some severe disabilities will lose income as some disabled as said who have carers if they only get mobility and lose over ÂŁ400 a month or more it does take much sense to work out why would you need a mobility car unless you have enough income to afford to lose that amount of money.
You are quite right in what you are saying.
If you lose the Daily Living it means you cannot recieve the care allowance (if you live on your own) or if someone cares for you…which also knocks onto the pension credit criteria…its a big hit in the pocket.
This is also on the the PIP Petition thread as well but may tell you about Govt stitch up which is o educate all as I am a pensioner much of this is not too bad for me but I
care about injustice on many of our fellow humans.
MPs to vote on disability benefit cuts without knowing âfull impactâ
Britainâs economic watchdog may not publish forecast of employment prospects until the end of OctoberChaminda Jayanetti
Sun 30 Mar 2025 07.00 BST
ShareMPs are set to vote on Labourâs disability benefit cuts without any idea of how many of those affected will be able to find work, after it emerged that Britainâs economic watchdog may not publish its forecast of the employment impact of the plans until the end of October.
The Department for Work and Pensionsâ own impact assessment last week predicted that the cuts announced in the disability benefits green paper would drive at least 300,000 people into poverty, including 50,000 children.
Ministers argue that those hit by the plans â which restrict eligibility for personal independence payment (Pip) and slash the health element of universal credit for new claimants â could avoid poverty by finding work, helped by a ÂŁ1bn disability employment support package that was announced alongside the benefit cuts.
However, the independent Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR) was unable to say how effective those employment support measures would be when it published its assessment of the green paper last week, citing a lack of policy or analysis detail from the government and insufficient time.
Instead, the OBR plans to include an assessment of the labour market impact of the green paper in its autumn forecast â which last year was published on 30 October.
That is likely to come long after MPs have voted on the major benefit cuts. The government intends to bring primary legislation in the current parliamentary session, which is expected to end in July. This legislation would allow the cuts to take effect in 2026-27.
âTo force through policy change without a full analysis is not only poor governance, but does not seek to assess whether a policy would be effective,â said Labour MP Rachael Maskell, an opponent of the cuts.
âNo government should make such decisions when the stakes are so high for disabled people. I cannot see how any MP could vote for such policies without having the evidence to back up their decision.â
Fellow Labour MP Neil Duncan-Jordan added: âI have asked in the chamber and in written questions as to the number of people to be helped back into work, the programmes that will be put in place to achieve that, and how much each will receive from the ÂŁ1bn fund that has been set aside. The answer given is that âfurther analysis to support development of the proposals in the green paper will be developed and undertaken in the coming monthsâ.
âThis certainly means that MPs are likely to be asked to vote on changes to disability benefits before knowing the full impact of the changes. Iâm not sure thatâs a good way to make decisions, and itâs likely to cause colleagues even more sleepless nights.â
The OBR forecast that 3% of those affected by the last governmentâs now-abandoned plans to restrict disability benefit would find paid work.
âThe lack of detail means [MPs] may well be voting for these measures, because of the pressure put on them by the three-line whip system, without realising the consequences in terms of life-changing cuts and ultimately a rise in benefit related deaths,â said Mark Harrison of Disabled People Against Cuts.
There will be no formal public consultation on the main cuts themselves, although the government is consulting on âtransitionalâ protection for those hit by the Pip cuts.
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There are suggestions that avoiding public consultations and using primary legislation are ways for the government to minimise the risk of legal challenges. The last governmentâs consultation on its planned disability benefit cuts was ruled unlawful earlier this year after a judicial review.âParliamentarians must ensure they properly scrutinise the details of any draft bill,â said Victoria Pogge von Strandmann, legal director of Public Law Project, which helped bring the judicial review. âWe consider that MPs would be in a much better position to do this if they had the benefit of the output of a comprehensive consultation process, which sought views of those deaf and disabled people who will be directly impacted.â
A Department for Work and Pensions spokesperson said: âThe broken social security system we inherited is failing people who can work, as well as the people itâs meant to be there for.
Thatâs why we are delivering a ÂŁ1bn support offer to guarantee tailored help into work to break down barriers for disabled people. We are also rebalancing universal credit payment levels, so the benefitâs main rate rises above inflation for the first time in a boost for low income working families.
âWe will continue to deliver a social security system for those with severe health conditions, and we will protect the income of those who will never be able to work.â
People saying that Motabiliity cars won’t be taken off anyone are missing the point. If my daily living component is taken off me then I’ll have to hand my car back in order to use the mobility money for daily living!
Is this a sign of just where we are as disabled people right now?  This is now in it’s 6th page and still going, the only new prices/New quarter thread I can see seems to be someone spotting some Renault prices really early and some chat around that, nothing else.
I may be reading a bit much into this but it appears there’s a lot less security now than at the last quarter and definitely so than under the previous government.
Scary times ahead…..
I'm Autistic, if I say something you find offensive, please let me know, I can guarantee it was unintentional.
I'll try to give my honest opinion but am always open to learning.Mark
It will be interesting to see if, as Glos Guy has suggested, some of the “top end” vehicles disappear tomorrow. Or maybe all the adverse publicity has come too late to affect the new quarter.
It will be interesting to see if, as Glos Guy has suggested, some of the âtop endâ vehicles disappear tomorrow. Or maybe all the adverse publicity has come too late to affect the new quarter.
We’ve already lost a few Mercedes, I’m not sure if BMW are seeing big numbers of orders given their APs right now but dropping them is highly unlikely. With a new financial year starting and targets resetting, losing some cars is almost inevitable. I think there’s scope for some more to join as well but it depends on whether they see the scheme as a good prospect right now.
I'm Autistic, if I say something you find offensive, please let me know, I can guarantee it was unintentional.
I'll try to give my honest opinion but am always open to learning.Mark
People saying that Motabiliity cars wonât be taken off anyone are missing the point. If my daily living component is taken off me then Iâll have to hand my car back in order to use the mobility money for daily living!
Well said as I was explaining.
My Motability vehicle is never dirty we always keep in clean and polished, yesterday the daughter pointed out someone has scratched both the driver and passenger front doors which appears to be a ring, it was not done on our drive it is covered with cameras.
I wonder with all this hype has someone been spiteful.
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
My Motability vehicle is never dirty we always keep in clean and polished, yesterday the daughter pointed out someone has scratched both the driver and passenger front doors which appears to be a ring, it was not done on our drive it is covered with cameras. I wonder with all this hype has someone been spiteful.
Mine got done on Motherâs Day. Â From just infront of the driverâs door to the charging flap.
How likely is it that anyone knows youâve a Motability car? Â I did think early on I was targeted by some ill educated muppet but reality is nearer stupid kids being arseholes.
I'm Autistic, if I say something you find offensive, please let me know, I can guarantee it was unintentional.
I'll try to give my honest opinion but am always open to learning.Mark
I am going to see if I can polish it out, I am very sad I have an electric polisher.
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
My Motability vehicle is never dirty we always keep in clean and polished, yesterday the daughter pointed out someone has scratched both the driver and passenger front doors which appears to be a ring, it was not done on our drive it is covered with cameras. I wonder with all this hype has someone been spiteful.
Mine got done on Motherâs Day. From just infront of the driverâs door to the charging flap. How likely is it that anyone knows youâve a Motability car? I did think early on I was targeted by some ill educated muppet but reality is nearer stupid kids being arseholes.
Will they polish out?
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