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I have had an idea……….
Why don’t we group together to get a better deal?
It could work something like this. Generally, we know what car we want what spec and so on.
We also have quite a wide window in which to order the car. for example, you can order a car when there are three months or less left to go on your previous lease (providing you have the correct award and so on)
So say 10 people or more are all within three months of each other and want to order a car then we could group together and I would have thought we could get a better deal on AP or optional extras but there would be more buying power that’s for sure.
it would involve some thinking to how this would work in practice as there may be many pitfalls due to time wasters etc but that could be mitigated out by the correct process and rules.
Let’s get organised we have the power of the internet to communicate with each other, we share the fact that we are disabled so we have a common goal to get a better deal for each other instead of working individually we could work together think pulling a tight rope against the big car manufacturers each time one of us gets on the end of it we have more buying power.
Sure this would not work for everybody and that’s fine but if you are like me and know what you want and are happy to wait until the car arrives because let’s face it it’s going to get here when it gets here (if it’s a new build) and of course, it would require everyone to be adult about it and not worry that someone has got their car before you because you are all still going to get a three-year lease so in the great scheme of things does it really matter that your new car is this month or next month providing you have a useful working car
so let’s hear some ideas over to you
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But depending on what car you want, there are already cheaper deals available by lease companies. Nissa leaf for under £210 a month, seat mii electric for £190 per month, both with 0 AP and 3 year contracts, based on 12k miles a year. If you are not looking for a premium badge vehicle then you don’t need to look to far to secure great deals But you won’t be getting the free insurance, £600 bonus at the end of term, and free tyres / breakdown cover or 20000 miles that mobility allow.
Let’s get organised, your figures for the allowance we get is wrong. There are 4.3 weeks in a month. At our current pip rate….. 62.5 x 52 weeks a year is £3250 divide by 12 months a year’s is £270 per month and not £250 as you stated.
@wmcforum I don’t know if you recall but I started the very same thread a couple of years ago but it didn’t go anywhere.
A few people were interested but the problems outlined above made it difficult to get enough interest.
is this a person because it doesnt sound like one its like someone trying to sell something , if other monthly deals were to be made for the car dealer i think motability would be able to work out a deal, i think they have much more influence with the car dealers than a online group of people …
GDPR nightmare
MOTABILITY COULD DO IT
Take the initiative and innovate for a change, work for the disabled person and get them a good deal the Advance purchase prices are now out of control they are too high they have gone up too much compared to anything else that has gone up
its not that hard to control the data its only 230,000 potential people (ish)
I am surprised at the negativity and not much in the way of other ideas
or at least do a feasibility study,
but No moan moan moan
It sounds like a Data Protection/GDPR nightmare!
Who is going to control the data, such as Fred Bloggs of 12 Big Street Reading, who wants to see who else is ordering a Volvo in March 2021 as he is thinking of getting one.
Are the names & contact details of other customers made available to him so he can contact them directly? Or how does he contact other potential customers?
Who is going to control the database of customers – and think how much that data could be worth to a dealer in a particular area? For example, Mr Volvo Dealer of Slough signs up under an assumed name just to see who in Reading is thinking of acquiring a Volvo. Mr Dealer the bombards Mr Bloggs and others with Volvo ads from his Slough dealership rather than the Volvo dealership in Reading.
For me, I was happy when this thread was closed, but I fully accept the right of the OP to keep whistling into the wind…
Looks like I am right its a scam to con Motability customer
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
LGO
I like your thinking, honestly I do. The problem is that should your plan come to pass the discount would have to be handed out by dealerships, who operate under strict allocations, they can’t suddenly order a 100 extra vehicles.
A better reality would probably be ‘write to your MP to have have benefits linked to RPI and not CPI’, that way we would all feel the effect. Only a small one but ‘from tiny acorns’Is it a scam or is it a troll we may never know ?
ok lets deal with a few things.
Firstly My name is Daniel I have limb-girdle muscular dystrophy (late-onset) which means I led a full active life. until my diagnosis in 2012 and then my muscles started to disagree with my wishes so I can assure you I am not a troll or anybody trying to scam.
So that makes me different and the same as everyone else here.
Just trying to get on with things the best we can.
We don’t want to be treated any more special than anyone else but that also means we don’t want to get ripped off like anyone else.
So now that’s out the way lets look at some other things
wcmforum- you have a blue text name and underneath you name and have Which mobility car in black text
thats all nice and above-board it says your name and what you are
in no particular order
Wigwam your name is in blue like wcmforum but you are a participant in black text
Oscarmax the same name in blue and then second-line participant in black text
most other people on here are in black and only one line of text.
anyway details details but I am thinking why is that inquisitive mind and all
I think this forum should be only for Motability customer / client / stakeholder or whatever you want to call us
if you are in receipt of an entitling benefit then you can contribute that will keep out the scammers and any trolls will be known so that should self-police itself.
I have thought about those not yet awarded the appropriate benefit to qualify so they can read and contribute to a foyer type area so two-way traffic can happen.
so you have a sterile area and welcome area. people who have the appropriate award can move into sterile area
at the moment anyone can post anything so its the wild west which is why some people are a bit jumpy and rightly so.
Do we trust ministers of parliament?
Do we trust Bankers?
Do we trust car salespeople?
Do we think as people dealing with the above three that are getting an honest deal ?
please feel free to contribute and also have a moan
Daniel
If you have 10 people will they not all want different makes and models of cars?
If they did all want the same car why do you think you could get a better deal on the car than Motability?
The only way I see it working, especially with the required two visits to the dealership’s, is a few people in the same area want a car from the same dealership. For example we got our xc40 from Taggerts in Glasgow, Karen, another member of the forum got her, same day, from the same dealer. If a couple of other members, in our area, wanted to get their car from the same dealership we could got together and tried to get a discount.
Nobody is going to travel a far distance for a couple of hundred pounds so you need-:
1. Members in the same area
2. interested in cars from the same dealership.
3. All being able to order at the same time.
to save further confusion lets try and clarify a few things. (bullet points are my replies)
ok lets deal with a few things. Firstly My name is Daniel I have limb-girdle muscular dystrophy (late-onset) which means I led a full active life. until my diagnosis in 2012 and then my muscles started to disagree with my wishes so I can assure you I am not a troll or anybody trying to scam. So that makes me different and the same as everyone else here. Just trying to get on with things the best we can. We don’t want to be treated any more special than anyone else but that also means we don’t want to get ripped off like anyone else. So now that’s out the way lets look at some other things.
- Welcome Daniel, you don’t have to justify you’re place Here.
wcmforum- you have a blue text name and underneath you name and have Which mobility car in black text thats all nice and above-board it says your name and what you are in no particular order Wigwam your name is in blue like wcmforum but you are a participant in black text Oscarmax the same name in blue and then second-line participant in black text most other people on here are in black and only one line of text. anyway details details but I am thinking why is that inquisitive mind and all
- Blue names = Signed in/registered users
I think this forum should be only for Motability customer / client / stakeholder or whatever you want to call us if you are in receipt of an entitling benefit then you can contribute that will keep out the scammers and any trolls will be known so that should self-police itself. I have thought about those not yet awarded the appropriate benefit to qualify so they can read and contribute to a foyer type area so two-way traffic can happen. so you have a sterile area and welcome area. people who have the appropriate award can move into sterile area at the moment anyone can post anything so its the wild west which is why some people are a bit jumpy and rightly so.
- We are not Motability, and as a Forum have no intentions or Rights to ask for Proof of Entitlement to be able to Contribute within the Forum (the Forum and its Moderators have Rules and tools available to police the Forum)
Do we trust ministers of parliament? Do we trust Bankers? Do we trust car salespeople? Do we think as people dealing with the above three that are getting an honest deal ? please feel free to contribute and also have a moan Daniel
- As everyone on here are individuals so too are MP;s/Bankers/Salespeople. its unfair to pigeon hole them.
<p style=”text-align: left;”>I must agree with the sediment of this post. Mobility can and should do much better for us consumers. Mobility customers feel like they havent got any choices, but again I’ve been searching lease deals and at this moment in time manufacturers are pushing out hugely discounted cars to leading companies. As an example. I just done a little search on vw t roc with 5* what car rating. On our scheme it’s our full allowance of £270 and an AP of £499.</p>
But I have found many 3 year deals with 12/15k miles for under £170 a month with nil AP. Obviously you need to add insurance and servicing…. but this would still be mouth wateringly cheaper than leasing through mobility.I have also justed spotted a mercedes cla coupe on a lease deal for £199 per month with £1100 upfront based on 12k miles a year. The mobility equivalent of the amg 200 is your full £270 allowance plus an eye watering £3749 AP.
So this indeed does suggest for the vast majority of vehicles on the scheme, the scheme is making extraordinary large profits before our needs on the pretence that it is a charity. They should be securing better deals for its customers with the huge buying power they have.
So in my opinion, on many of the vehicles we are offered on this scheme we are indeed getting a raw deal from mobility. Always do your homework!!
Menorca mike, yes huge savings and that’s just a few examples!! I could actually give you hundreds of vehicle that are significantly cheaper than mobility atm. I’m assume the very low prices on leasing dealers are due to manufacturers not being able to sell new cars!! And obviously giving them to lease companies to shift at hugely reduced prices!!
So if lease companies can offer these prices, why cant mobility?? Is it because they have a monopoly I wounder???
So if lease companies can offer these prices, why cant mobility?? Is it because they have a monopoly I wounder???
They have to offer the prices all the time – not just when a company/dealer needs to get some money in or clear some stock.
And like you say you have to add insurance and servicing costs. Insurance can easily add £50 a month and servicing/parts can be a decent chunk as well.
And if you can get something cheaper than Motability…then why don’t you?
the Thread is nothing to do with like for like Better Deals, and im sure there are a few deals out around that might be more suitable for individuals than Motability, the point being as the Title suggests “Group Together To Get A Better Deal”
if 20 or so people from here managed to group together and wanted to take up one of the Offers posted by Carl Above from a lease company I Dont believe the Group would secure any better deal than I could as an Individual. with the added security of an individual I only have to worry about My actions within any agreement.
My point of posting the few deals I found is to suggest you dont have to group together with others to secure a better deal, as it can be done as an individual.
I think grouping together with others would inevitably get you a better deal but logistically would be almost impossible, due to data protection and all the other negative points that are on this thread, most of which are valid. The only way would be to set up a consortium- which would be time consuming stressful and dare I say what disabled people would not want to undertake.
Alan 1302, before becoming disabled I had a very successful career as an accountant. As such I am in a privileged financial position, but like everyone else I want the best deal possible.
If you decide on a vehicle, it might be worth shopping around to see if you can source a better deal and not blindly rely just on the mobility site. I’m just pointing out for many of the ordinary vehicles on the scheme like ford, etc there are going to be much cheaper sources to lease the vehicle. And rightly so, many that cannot compete with mobility prices especially larger and some premuim brands.
But surely, you’d be a fool if after choosing your vehicle you dont shop around to see if itsthe best value deal??
I can tell you the hyndai kona 64 kwh vehicle on mobility is over £150 a month cheaper than lease deals as an example, so if I was going for that vehicle mobility wins hands down!! But unless you do some research and find comparisons how would you possibly know??
I agree with you Carl – you should always check round first and not assume the Motability one would be cheapest overall. I know our car was a lot cheaper on Motability though but others would be better going elsewhere.
I do apologise as this thread is on a Which Motability site, the grouping together as Motability customer is what I am getting at
Instead of shopping individually as Motability customers within the Motability network and getting the deal on offer, take it or leave it attitude from dealerships because they know they are dealing with one individual
we take our collective buying power within the umbrella of Motability and do what corporate companies do leverage our buying power together
Now at no point did ever say anything else so can now can we start again and look at this again with bright fresh eyes.
With respect. You just don’t give up do you? There are many reasons people use Motability for a car, it’s not always money. Everything that can be said has been said, surely?
the idea is
10 or more or however many….Blah blah blah Motability customers who want to buy a car in the same quarter from one marquee get together and do a deal
I don’t know about anybody else but car buying goes like this.
Visit showroom
test drive car
pick colour
select optional extras
negotiate deal
order car agree on a delivery date (rough estimate at best)
get it in writing do not leave without the showroom without it if not go somewhere else until you get it
get an envelope from Motability
wait for the car (ringing people up is not going to get your car any quicker just wait for the dealership to phone you)
Car is ready to collect (and you think your phone calls made any difference do you?)
go over the car with fine-tooth comb and check EVERYTHING as this going to be your responsibility for the next three years (download a check sheet from the internet in fact Motability should send one out with your agreement so that dealerships are aware of what is going to be checked after all they advertised the car to you and you choose it so it’s not unreasonable for the car to be as they advertised it.
so all 10 or however many do all the tyre kicking colour picking and end up at a ready to buy push the button stage and at that point, you check on the portal to see if anybody else is in your area and in a three-month window and see if anything can be done on a deal instead of walking into a showroom knowing what car you want and trying to get a deal as a once in the three-year purchase or four or five or three years and one month or two months do I need to cover everybody
that’s all no more no less
all deals are with Motability dealerships by Motability customers for Motability cars only
I thought as this was Which Motability forum, so it would be obvious that I am not talking about private deals outside of Motability
so I apologise for not making that clear but at no point did I ever infer any kind of private deal
It’s just my post was not taken at face value and went off on a tangent
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