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We’ve all seen a number of EVs join the scheme recently. Many are quite expensive in terms of AP.
So, choice for those in need of something SUV sized appears to be either something from the Stellantis studio or one of either the KIA Soul or Hyundai Kona (what’s left of them). After that there’s a jump to the Enyaq or smaller ranged ID4.
My question is whilst it’s quite easy to justify an EV (reduction in impact on the right knee, environmental) and an SUV (seat height, load capacity), how could you separate that gap between the relatively short ranged Mokka/C4/2008 and the larger and better ranged Enyaq 80/ID4/5/Ioniq5?
Or are these only for those with the means to pay for them?
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Did you have a look at the YouTube video I put up?
a chap whe regularly drives from north Scotland to Milton Keynes for work and does it easily with the smaller Enyaq battery, the iv60.
it’s a change of mindset that is required to run an ev.
with ICE cars, you fill up, then fill up again when the low fuel light comes on.
with EVs you do it differently.
The optimum way is to keep on local/medium journeys, the “tank” filled up with daily charges, it’s best for the battery not to hold it at 100% for long lengths of time.
Fir the longer journeys,like the Enyaq driver does, is you fill up before the journey to 100% then charge on you long journey when the car is around 20%.
You then fill to 80% (the way fast charging works is between 20-80% it’s charges at high speed, then slows down above that to keep the battery optimised)then carry on your journey, like a foid/toilet stop.
A smaller battery like the 60 takes less time to fill to 80% and weighs less than the 80 and the difference in top speed and 0-60 is negligible.
if most of your journeys are the average, then the smaller battery is fine.
Its just a different mindset required for evs
At this moment I’d need a batter bigger than they currently are Roger!
Any way back to topic – There are a few instances on here, where the grants team have not allowed or allowing applicants to specify fuel type, due to the growing number and build up of applications, which is taking considerably longer to award, with “new to the scheme” applicants getting priority.
My guess is the more expensive ones are for those that can pay for them, as the grant department have always took the stance of awarding a vehicle that suits your needs and thats normally the cheapest option to do so.
Still not sure why you need a bigger battery?
Do you need a WAV? There are battery ones coming along I hear
Still not sure why you need a bigger battery? Do you need a WAV? There are battery ones coming along I hear
A smaller battery would do Roger if it had the range I required come rain or shine, summer or winter without going from A to C to get to B or indeed a 20minute stop, for reasons I won’t hijack the thread with. However one day, when the times right 🙂
Ok, we’ll the range is getting longer, at 300 miles plus they are Clive to ICE cars, you can add a battery heater to the cars too, so I do think they are getting better.
For me personally, the majority of travel I do today is within a 40 mile radius which is well within the requirements of a daily top up.
I do have a 370 mile round trip once every few months to the lad who is at University, but in my current ICE car I can’t travel one way without stopping for a P break ( stage 3 kidney failure) so I use that stop to get some food etc, so for me to plug in and charge woukd just be another thing to do.
But EVs still are not for all, if you want to tow, yoyr mileage drops like a stone for example, and if no home charging, instead of £0.10p per kWh, it’s around £0.40p
As we get towards 2035, with new battery technology range issues for some may become not an issue
RogerWilko, my issue isn’t the daily driving, I can manage that quite nicely with my 44.5 kWh ZS. The issue is that I’m 100 miles from the nearest Motorway and I can’t do that in this car in winter. I’m relatively sure that the 60 would do it adequately but the 80 would get me to friends in and around South Hampshire in one shot if we needed to, regardless of season.
Then there’s the emergency long distance trip that may well be approaching where my mum’s family are in Cumbria (quite a trek from Cornwall) and there’s a inevitable conclusion that a funeral may be a sudden eventuality. Doing that in the ZS requires 6 stops and I’ll get fleeced in Whitehaven just to get back to the motorway network. In the 80 that would be a 2 or 3 stop journey with enough charge to avoid the £0.99/kw and get back to a less unreasonable £0.75/kW.
The reason behind the question is that for some locations if you travel any distance with any regularity, then a 200 mile summer range might leave you stuck for the winter. For example, I have friends who live just south of Helston, towards the Lizard, for them to drive to Exeter takes just over 2.25 hours and is a trip of 125 miles. In winter one of the Stellantis SUVs couldn’t do that trip unless it was at a hazardous speed and with air con off. Not something you’d want to do, especially if the car steams up. So they would be incapable of getting to family for 5 or 6 months of the year.
For me it’s not an issue, I have my own car that will be sold to fund the new car, once I can finally proceed. I just thought that there are people in circumstances where they want to save the money available from local EV driving but still need to get to family elsewhere in the country should the need arise. It’s not just Cornwall that struggles, there’s areas in Cumbria, Wales, the North East and Norfolk that are quite distant from a main route and charging opportunities.
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MFIllingham, there are many charge points not on the motorways all 9ver the south of the country.
I still don’t see why if a car with a 60 battery can’t do these journeys when many like Enyaq Gorm do it weekly.
I just don’t think there should be a grant per say, for a bigger battery.
MFIllingham, there are many charge points not on the motorways all 9ver the south of the country. I still don’t see why if a car with a 60 battery can’t do these journeys when many like Enyaq Gorm do it weekly. I just don’t think there should be a grant per say, for a bigger battery.
Hi Roger, not everyone wants to be stopping every so many miles or it isn’t plausible for them to do so Which in my case if I receive a phone call somebody is about to pop their clogs, I want to get there in as little time as possible without the need to stop for 20mins or so. Asides that if I’m visiting friends 150 mile away, I want to get there and back without the need to stop. Hence my previous post and what I think @MFillingham is thinking about.
Once EVs can match a tank of fuel in the winter I’d be the first ordering one. Untill then I’m sticking with ICE/Hybrid as I hate stopping for anything other than a pee stop 🙂
MFIllingham, there are many charge points not on the motorways all 9ver the south of the country. I still don’t see why if a car with a 60 battery can’t do these journeys when many like Enyaq Gorm do it weekly. I just don’t think there should be a grant per say, for a bigger battery.
I agree that, to an extent, you shouldn’t get a grant to simply upgrade the battery beyond what is practical. However, the reason I select the motorway service at Exeter isn’t because it’s a motorway but because between Bodmin and Exeter the A30 runs over 2 moors, Bodmin moor runs to pretty much the County border and Dartmoor continues the other side of the valley. So, I would be highly annoyed if I had to charge after only 30 minutes (Bodmin) in order to get to Exeter where we usually stop anyway. Likewise Having to detour through Plymouth extends the journey both in miles and time but would give me charging opportunities at nearer half way but that means planning a different journey just to suit the car.
However, the 60 will get where I need to get to in order to have a boost while we all go to the toilet, shops and everything we usually do at the services (mostly out of habit). The 80, however, would get me all the way without needing to stop, should I need to get there in a hurry.
MFIllingham, there are many charge points not on the motorways all 9ver the south of the country. I still don’t see why if a car with a 60 battery can’t do these journeys when many like Enyaq Gorm do it weekly. I just don’t think there should be a grant per say, for a bigger battery.
Hi Roger, not everyone wants to be stopping every so many miles or it isn’t plausible for them to do so Which in my case if I receive a phone call somebody is about to pop their clogs, I want to get there in as little time as possible without the need to stop for 20mins or so. Asides that if I’m visiting friends 150 mile away, I want to get there and back without the need to stop. Hence my previous post and what I think @MFillingham is thinking about. Once EVs can match a tank of fuel in the winter I’d be the first ordering one. Untill then I’m sticking with ICE/Hybrid as I hate stopping for anything other than a pee stop ?
You do realise that in the time taken for that pee stop you can boost the car considerably? Depending on the charging capabilities the time take to walk to the loo and back could be enough for a 100 mile boost.
As Roger is happy to say, have a look at Enyaq Gorm’s youtube videos, there’s quite a few instances where he literally plugs in, goes to get a drink or food and comes back and the charge is enough to get him where he’s going. From that there’s good odds that you could get as far as your bladder allows and still have plenty left. Especially in the Enyaq IV80.
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You do realise that in the time taken for that pee stop you can boost the car considerably? Depending on the charging capabilities the time take to walk to the loo and back could be enough for a 100 mile boost.
Ah but, any stop/s are in a layby or side of the road given my journeys are mostly country roads on the the odd occasion I need one ?
On a more series note, my biggest concern is getting to my parents in one fowl swoop, at speed should the need arise.
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