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Fishy Rishi is making a speech to the nation this afternoon on the governments Net Zero position @4.30pm.
The PM is expected to delay the ban on the sale of new petrol and diesel cars in line with the EU position!
The government is also expected to water down the governments Heatpump targets.
Stay tuned folks!
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Good. Absolutely ludicrous idea.
Current car: Mini Countryman EV in very shiny black!
Previous car: MG HS Exclusive in nice shiny black.
Good. Absolutely ludicrous idea.
Yup! Lets hope common sense prevails especially with an election looming 🙂
Don’t get me started….
Current car: Mini Countryman EV in very shiny black!
Previous car: MG HS Exclusive in nice shiny black.
It’ll be interesting to see how Sir Keir responds!?
As per usual I suspect – he will criticise what the government is doing without having any alternative suggestions whatsoever. Easiest job in the world being an opposition MP ?
Easiest job in the world
Second easiest, the first is being a Conservative MP in Melton Mowbray ?
"Come on BYD Seal!"Seems Risky has now pxssed off Ford and I strongly suspect also many others that are yet to raise their voice
The Cons yet again making desperate sticky plaster Policy on the hoof
Original unrealistic time table will remain at the end of the day imo
Clueless bunch of Clowns imo (no matter the party)
Seems Risky has now pxssed off Ford and I strongly suspect also many others that are yet to raise their voice The Cons yet again making desperate sticky plaster Policy on the hoof Original unrealistic time table will remain at the end of the day imo Clueless bunch of Clowns imo (no matter the party)
Ford, along with any other manufacture in Europe don’t see the UK as their main and only market, and the policy should be seen as Europe wide ban.
However I expect some of their talk is to appease the climate fanatics, when behind doors I expect these manufacturers are relieved that they won’t need to buy carbon credits from other manufacturers or face increasing fines if they didn’t meet the target number of EV’s sold from next year!
Any delay to the ban does not stop manufacturers from making EV’s or does it stop consumers buying them if they so wish. Equally it not prevent consumer from installing heatpumps!
Seems Risky has now pxssed off Ford and I strongly suspect also many others that are yet to raise their voice
I suspect that you are right, however if it’s been blindingly obvious to many of us (simply by looking at the stats and gauging public opinion) that the 2030 deadline was completely unachievable, it must have been even more obvious to car manufacturers, especially as they are the first to see that private customers aren’t yet embracing EVs at anywhere near the rate that lease customers are. If I was running a car manufacturer I would have started making contingency plans a few years back on the sure fire assumption that the date would move. Even if Rishi doesn’t move the date back today, it’s inevitable that the next Prime Minister will have to.
Sold as a commitment to ensuring Net Zero happens but cites families struggling with the cost of living crisis his own party caused. If a family is feeling the pinch and can’t afford a new car, they’ll either buy a used one or will keep the one they have for another year.
Will this encourage others to change? Absolutely not, all it does is put more power into the arguments against moving to BEVs. Which leaves us with a clear choice, either commit to battery electric as the solution to zero emissions (allowing for zero emission production of electricity) or simply scrap that policy entirely and look for another solution that will work better. Either way, that decision needs to be done quickly to get our travel and good supply chains to net zero before 2050.
Looking at the production and corporate decision making throughout the global transport industry, BEV will be the future of personal transportation right up to the point where individual ownership becomes the wrong solution.
Heat pumps, again if you can’t afford it you wouldn’t be changing your boiler unless the existing one has failed. Delaying the deadline might help those in rented accommodation or those genuinely struggling with old boilers that will need replacing soon.
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Will this encourage others to change? Absolutely not, all it does is put more power into the arguments against moving to BEVs. Which leaves us with a clear choice, either commit to battery electric as the solution to zero emissions (allowing for zero emission production of electricity) or simply scrap that policy entirely and look for another solution that will work better. Either way, that decision needs to be done quickly to get our travel and good supply chains to net zero before 2050. Looking at the production and corporate decision making throughout the global transport industry, BEV will be the future of personal transportation right up to the point where individual ownership becomes the wrong solution. Heat pumps, again if you can’t afford it you wouldn’t be changing your boiler unless the existing one has failed. Delaying the deadline might help those in rented accommodation or those genuinely struggling with old boilers that will need replacing soon.
I view it as more of a common sense approach. Firstly we were at odd with the rest of the democratic world by setting perhaps an over ambitius target of 2030. What we are now doing is not abandoning BEV’s rather falling inline with the rest, by resetting the date to 2035.
By doing so it will allow infrastructure to grow and therefore be better equiped to meet demand. I don’t see what has been put into place today, will have any bearing where it come’s to encouraging others to change to BEV. Wallets are tight, people have got the spare cash to pay £10 or £20 grand extra on a BEV. Equally, it will also allow for battery technology to grow – better mp/K, more range per battery charge, more confidence in infrastructure. A recent report by the SMMT stated that all BEV’s sold only 8% are in the hands of private buyers, the rest go to lease companies.
Equally neither the UK or EU are equiped to meet the 40% origin target before BEV’s incur a 10% import charge when importing to both the UK and EU. This cost would be passed onto consumers. Are close neighbours are working to a 2030 on date to meet this. Surely it makes sense for us to fall in line with the date, given 75% of are cars come from the EU.
Forcing people has never been the best approach and often fails. However Fishy’s new approach is not stopping anyone from going greener sooner. If anything though, battery costs will fall through better development. Prices will stabalise making BEV’s more akin to the cost of a new ICE vehicle and become more affordable to the masses.
I won’t go into heatpumps 🙂
Lets look at another way and hopefully honest about it!
If the Motability scheme were to end tomorrow, how many would beable to afford a BEV equal to the one they are driving or have on order?
Lets look at another way and hopefully honest about it! If the Motability scheme were to end tomorrow, how many would beable to afford a BEV equal to the one they are driving or have on order?
I can safely say I’d be looking used but would be able to get one of my choices within my budget. I’ve seen the Ioniq offered for a touch over £20k, the Enyaq for similar and even older Ariyas for similar now.
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I can safely say I’d be looking used but would be able to get one of my choices within my budget. I’ve seen the Ioniq offered for a touch over £20k, the Enyaq for similar and even older Ariyas for similar now.
That seems cheap for a Enyak mate, considering it was put on sale until early 2021? The Ioniq, I gess you are refering to the model before the 5?
I wonder if this will have any effect on Q4 prices across the board!
I do think bringing the ban inline with the rest of Europe is the right thing to do – It will at least give those who were unsure or not ready more time to evaluate and be more likely to drop into one without out being forced prematurely compare to the rest of Europe. When you look at it most new car are of a hybrid form anyway 🙂
I heard back from Leicestershire County Council who are keen to promote transition to green (they’ve reduced many of our 60’s to 50’s to support something something green). Anyway, I asked them if I could have a charger cable gulley as discussed on here recently – I cannot.
"Come on BYD Seal!"Insulating homes has been binned too.
The Govt are’nt bothered if the energy you buy goes straight thru the wall.windows or roof,it just means you buy more (or freeze) who does that benefit the energy companies and their shareholders.
Insulating homes has been binned too. The Govt are’nt bothered if the energy you buy goes straight thru the wall.windows or roof,it just means you buy more (or freeze) who does that benefit the energy companies and their shareholders.
And more bins than sense.
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