First choice car gone

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  • #228574
    Avatar photoConfusicated
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      We had pretty much decided to go look at a Tuscon Ultimate with the tech pack, AP £3995. It’s one of the two trim levels removed from the scheme today.

      I despair.

      Current: MY24 Renault Austral Iconic FHD.
      Ordered 5/2/26: Chery Tiggo 8 'Summit' ICE

      Previous Motability cars:
      2013 Ford Focus estate auto.
      2016 Vauxhal Zafira 1.4T SE Auto.
      2019 Ford Kuga Vignale 1.5 auto AWD. (Ext lease)

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    • #228575
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        It looks like losing the tech pack takes away the all round cameras plus the button gear shift. I will check with the dealer, but the standard gear stick with the ‘trigger’ release is getting hard on my hands.

        Current: MY24 Renault Austral Iconic FHD.
        Ordered 5/2/26: Chery Tiggo 8 'Summit' ICE

        Previous Motability cars:
        2013 Ford Focus estate auto.
        2016 Vauxhal Zafira 1.4T SE Auto.
        2019 Ford Kuga Vignale 1.5 auto AWD. (Ext lease)

        #228577
        Glos Guy
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          It’s infuriating when this happens and I feel for you. Sadly, Motability’s focus now seems to be EVs. I suspect that this is as much about EV sales being behind target and manufacturers doing deals with Motability to get their numbers up, whereas sales of ICE cars are holding up, so there’s less incentive to discount them. I fear that this trend will continue.

          #228578
          kezo
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            The here today gone tomorrow approach can be challenging at the best of times!

            The N line S will have most of the goodies of the Ultimate however, I guess ride will be slightly firmer, though the Ultimate can bounce around and thud over potholes and can be jarring at times.

             

            #228576
            Jojoe

              There’s a chance it may come back on.

              #228580
              kezo
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                It’s infuriating when this happens and I feel for you. Sadly, Motability’s focus now seems to be EVs. I suspect that this is as much about EV sales being behind target and manufacturers doing deals with Motability to get their numbers up, whereas sales of ICE cars are holding up, so there’s less incentive to discount them. I fear that this trend will continue.

                Quite right GG – not everyone is ready for an EV yet for legitimate reasons, yet it seems we are being pushed further to the side as the months, years go on.

                My hopes of an x3 appearing on the scheme are fading fast!

                #228582
                Glos Guy
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                  My hopes of an x3 appearing on the scheme are fading fast!

                  In all honesty, I never had any hope that the X3 would appear, which is why it’s high on the list of what we might buy privately if we are forced to leave the scheme. I’d prefer an X5, but I think it might be too high for my wife to get into and the split tailgate sounds like it might be a pain loading the wheelchair.

                  With the i4 appearing on the scheme I wondered if the iX3 might appear. Whilst I don’t need, nor particularly want, an EV, I might have made an exception for that, but it starts at £68k so even with Motability’s obsession with EVs I don’t think we’ll see that any time soon ?. I had been hoping that the new X1 might appear but, again, if it does it will probably just be the iX1 and having had one for the day recently I am not sold on them.

                  #228585
                  kezo
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                    I’d prefer an X5, but I think it might be too high for my wife to get into and the split tailgate sounds like it might be a pain loading the wheelchair.

                    I’d happily have another X3 or X5 off the scheme, which in all honesty seems to be getting more and more likely with how things are.

                    #228592
                    shaun

                      You realise that on both a domestic and international scale, EV sales are continuing to grow whereas ICE is falling behind, both in terms of sold numbers and customers indicating that they will be looking to purchase an EV next. That last part is what is pushing EV sales on, manufacturers building what the majority of customers indicate they are looking for next, much like how its customers that drive manufacturers to churn out SUVs over anything else.

                      There’s less incentive to discount ICE vehicles as its shown they depreciate far more heavily than EV’s; in its first year an ICE vehicle deprecites by approximately 24%, an EV 12% hence the reason motability can discount higher priced EVs compared to their equivalent ICE counter parts.

                      #228581
                      RogerWilko

                        The car us being updated, I woukd think it’s not Motability making the decision to take a model off, rather Hyubdai

                        https://www.carwow.co.uk/hyundai/tucson/news/7005/new-hyundai-tucson-price-specs#gref

                        #228606
                        Glos Guy
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                          You realise that on both a domestic and international scale, EV sales are continuing to grow whereas ICE is falling behind, both in terms of sold numbers and customers indicating that they will be looking to purchase an EV next. That last part is what is pushing EV sales on, manufacturers building what the majority of customers indicate they are looking for next, much like how its customers that drive manufacturers to churn out SUVs over anything else. There’s less incentive to discount ICE vehicles as its shown they depreciate far more heavily than EV’s; in its first year an ICE vehicle deprecites by approximately 24%, an EV 12% hence the reason motability can discount higher priced EVs compared to their equivalent ICE counter parts.

                          That’s not really the full picture Shaun. Obviously EV sales are growing, but at nothing like the rate that manufacturers had hoped and certainly not enough to meet the current target dates. Only 17% of new car sales in the U.K. are currently EV’s, which means that 83% aren’t. By 2025 it is predicted that EVs will still only represent 6% of the total cars on our roads and by 2030 they will represent 19%, so your assertion that the majority of people want EVs is not supported by the current statistics or industry predictions.

                          #228615
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                            The N Line S loses the power tailgate, and I need one. I no longer have the upper body strength to operate a manual one. We almost traded our Zafira in early (car before current Kuga) because of that.

                            Current: MY24 Renault Austral Iconic FHD.
                            Ordered 5/2/26: Chery Tiggo 8 'Summit' ICE

                            Previous Motability cars:
                            2013 Ford Focus estate auto.
                            2016 Vauxhal Zafira 1.4T SE Auto.
                            2019 Ford Kuga Vignale 1.5 auto AWD. (Ext lease)

                            #228616
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                              I didn’t know it was being updated. Thank you.

                              • This reply was modified 2 years, 8 months ago by Avatar photoConfusicated. Reason: Typo correction

                              Current: MY24 Renault Austral Iconic FHD.
                              Ordered 5/2/26: Chery Tiggo 8 'Summit' ICE

                              Previous Motability cars:
                              2013 Ford Focus estate auto.
                              2016 Vauxhal Zafira 1.4T SE Auto.
                              2019 Ford Kuga Vignale 1.5 auto AWD. (Ext lease)

                              #228607
                              shaun

                                its strange because several forecasts I have read predict EV sales to outstrip ICE sales within the next five years as they’re growth is exponential, also used sales of EVs under 24 months old are growing due to the fast changing nature of new technology. If the manufacturers you are referring to are your “premium” legacy automakers, then yes, sales are not on target but thats because they are coming up with inferior products and relying on a badge to do their sales, whereas people are starting to chase actual  quality instead of perceived quality.

                                #228628
                                kezo
                                Participant

                                  @shaun As of the end of June 2023, there are now over 816,668 fully electric cars on UK roads, which is a drop in the ocean considering there are roughly 35 million cars on UK roads.

                                  #228627
                                  Glos Guy
                                  Participant

                                    its strange because several forecasts I have read predict EV sales to outstrip ICE sales within the next five years as they’re growth is exponential, also used sales of EVs under 24 months old are growing due to the fast changing nature of new technology. If the manufacturers you are referring to are your “premium” legacy automakers, then yes, sales are not on target but thats because they are coming up with inferior products and relying on a badge to do their sales, whereas people are starting to chase actual quality instead of perceived quality.

                                    Shaun. I shall ignore your first paragraph as that’s opinion rather than fact, but let’s focus on facts because this is where statistics, especially percentages, can confuse.

                                    You are primarily talking about % growth. It is inevitable that EVs will have by far the greatest % growth, but the issue is that this growth is starting from an incredibly low base. Let’s take some hard facts to illustrate the point (source : Society of Motor Manufacturers & Traders, as reported in Fleet News – link below);

                                    Firstly, yes, EVs in the U.K. have grown by 50% to 1.1m vehicles.
                                    However, there are 35.1m cars on U.K. roads, which means that 34m aren’t EVs.
                                    Put another way, 1 in 32 cars come with a plug, 31 out of 32 don’t.
                                    Even with 50% growth, EVs were only 3.1% of the cars on our roads in 2022, so 96.9% weren’t.

                                    To illustrate further why percentages can confuse;
                                    If the proportion of EVs on our roads grows at 50%, that 3.1% is still only 4.6% a year later. The percentage growth obviously gets more challenging as absolute numbers of EVs grow, hence the prediction of 6% by 2025 and 19% by 2030.
                                    Of course, non-EV cars won’t be increasing by anywhere near these numbers, as there are 31 times more of them to start with. However, even if the number of non-EV cars fell by 10% and EVs grew by 200%, there would still only be 9.3m EVs versus 30.6m non-EVs, so EVs would still only represent 23% of the cars on our roads, less than 1 in 4.

                                    Then you have to factor in that the average car on our roads is 9 years old, something that those of us who have a new car every 3 years can easily forget! This is why the number of ICE cars won’t fall at the rate that some claim, because the vast majority (80%) of new cars being registered, even now, are ICE cars, not EVs  and those cars, as well as a large proportion of the 34m ICE cars already in existence will still be on our roads in 2030 and beyond.

                                    Clearly the market is moving towards EVs, that is not in doubt, but because it’s from such a low base it is easy to get carried away by looking at growth rather than absolute numbers. Factor in the actual stats and key things such as how long people keep their cars and it paints a very different picture. And all of that doesn’t even take into account the millions who don’t have an off road home charging solution and the fact that the public charging infrastructure is going backwards, not forwards, in relation to the number of EVs on our roads (1 public charger per 36 EVs, down from 1 for every 31 EVs in 2021)!

                                    https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/latest-fleet-news/electric-fleet-news/2023/04/26/more-than-1m-electric-vehicles-now-on-uk-roads#:~:text=One%20in%20every%2032%20cars,vehicle%20parc%2C%20new%20figures%20show.

                                     

                                    #228656
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                                      Irritatingly, I see that the Ultimate HEV+Tech Pack is still available on the Hyundai configurator – just taken off Motability offerings.

                                      Current: MY24 Renault Austral Iconic FHD.
                                      Ordered 5/2/26: Chery Tiggo 8 'Summit' ICE

                                      Previous Motability cars:
                                      2013 Ford Focus estate auto.
                                      2016 Vauxhal Zafira 1.4T SE Auto.
                                      2019 Ford Kuga Vignale 1.5 auto AWD. (Ext lease)

                                      #228665
                                      RogerWilko

                                        SMMT  new car sales June 2023:

                                        Diesel. 6,221 Market share 3.5%

                                        Petrol 70,367 market share 39.7%

                                        MHEV Diesel 6,690 market share 3.8%

                                        MHEV Petrol 28,527 market share 16.1%

                                        BEV 31,700 market share 17.9%

                                        PHEV 12,770 market share 7.2%

                                        HEV 20,991 market share 11.8%

                                        #228666
                                        Richard

                                          There’s a big difference between want an EV and can afford an EV.

                                          Im sure the majority of people do want an EV doesn’t mean most of them can afford a new car let alone an EV.

                                          Outside of motability I couldn’t afford a new car

                                          #228675
                                          kezo
                                          Participant

                                            Irritatingly, I see that the Ultimate HEV+Tech Pack is still available on the Hyundai configurator – just taken off Motability offerings.

                                            Hopefully it will be back on soon!

                                            SMMT new car sales June 2023: Diesel. 6,221 Market share 3.5% Petrol 70,367 market share 39.7% MHEV Diesel 6,690 market share 3.8% MHEV Petrol 28,527 market share 16.1% BEV 31,700 market share 17.9% PHEV 12,770 market share 7.2% HEV 20,991 market share 11.8%

                                            Your missing the big picture mate as @glos guy explains above 🙂

                                            #228733
                                            Richjackdan

                                              Can I just check… is the Tucson Ultimate still available in a manual petrol but just not the tech pack spec?

                                              #228750
                                              kezo
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                                                Can I just check… is the Tucson Ultimate still available in a manual petrol but just not the tech pack spec?

                                                Yes it does 🙂

                                                All but the HEV 230 remain!

                                                 

                                                #228757
                                                Richjackdan

                                                  thank you

                                                  due to pick a car in next week or so.

                                                  coming from. Peugeot 3008

                                                  really like the look of the Tucson Ultimate in Teal. Looks smart.

                                                  Will be getting a petrol manual.

                                                   

                                                  Don’t see much here about the car at all?

                                                  Any opinions welcome

                                                  maybe someone that has one?

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