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Just after real world advice please.
I’m in the current window to change, thank goodness.
I’ve been looking at the ev3 although slightly small and the Cupra formentor. Totally different car prospects I know.
im currently in a 2023 VW Tiguan which is perfect for my needs.
With current prices I’m wanting to keep the AP as low as possible. Heated Seats and SUV are a must, so is minimal wind noise.
Any other recommendations are welcome.
i live in a flat but have 8 pod point chargers located, although I’ve heard they are expensive.
also if you don’t get a charger, how much pre paid credit do motability offer, online is mixed results, so real world opinions are needs
thanks
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Just after real world advice please.
I’m in the current window to change, thank goodness.
I’ve been looking at the ev3 although slightly small and the Cupra formentor. Totally different car prospects …How many miles do you do thats important question?
Just after real world advice please.
I’m in the current window to change, thank goodness.
I’ve been looking at the ev3 although slightly small and the Cupra formentor. Totally different car prospects …Also pre-paid credit is only £25 and its only with one network, which is bp pulse. If you’re close to any 7kw chargers, only charging at 7kw that’s 49p a kwh, based on an gt line s ev3, there is 362 miles over a 81.4 kwh battery, roughly 4.4 miles per kwh hour (which is variable and will get quite a bit worse during winter) that works out to around best case 11.1p. Thats assuming charging on slow power and well optimal driving conditions that can easily increase to 20p during winter.
Just after real world advice please.
I’m in the current window to change, thank goodness.
I’ve been looking at the ev3 although slightly small and the Cupra formentor. Totally different car prospects …I mean 11.1p per mile.
Just after real world advice please.
I’m in the current window to change, thank goodness.
I’ve been looking at the ev3 although slightly small and the Cupra formentor. Totally different car prospects …One that might be worth looking at is the MG HS
Pod offer mainly AC charging upto 22kWh and DC charging upto 75kWh and are commonly found in the likes of Tesco.
Their pricing structure is simple with no subscriptions, and no connection fees
Up to 75kW – 79p per kWh
Up to 50kW – 75p per kWhThe Kia EV3 has a 78kWh useable battery and a average real world range of 280 miles:
City – Cold Weather 275 miles
Highway – Cold Weather 200 miles
Combined – Cold Weather 235 milesCity – Mild Weather 415 miles
Highway – Mild Weather 260 miles
Combined – Mild Weather 325 milesIf you can’t charge at home, my advice would be a full hybrid.
Thanks for the replies.
my Annual mileage is around 15k
The prepaid credit is rubbish then, I won’t even get one full charge from it.
I am staying away from the MG recommend, it’s awful, I had one as a courtesy car, it’s very very noisy on the motorway and I found it uncomfortable, space inside was good though
i am on wpms so the ap’s are abot 1100 less than pip and i ordered 28 feb.
i test drove the mini countryman monochrome,nissan quasqai and juke, ev3 and 4,mg hs hybrid+trophy,citroen c3 and c3 aircross, cupra formentor.
the formentor was very nice but the ride was too rough for my spine.
the rest the ride was ok and it mainly came down to bang for buck and the ap as i imposed a 0ap target and the hybrids all came with an ap. i narrowed it down to the mini countryman monochrome and the kia’s.the ev3 at the time had an ap and then i discovered the mini couldnt play music from a usb which i do all the time so the ev 4 won out and at 0ap i think a good deal.
a bolter really was the c3 and c3 aircross the interior and the driver screens were excellant the only drawback was the ap for the hybrid and the range for the electric compared to the kia’s. ap wise the ev3 is now a better price but i preferred the ev4 version of the air trim in the ev3 the air trim was a lot of grey. the ev4 cabin feels that bit higher quality and easier on the eye.
Thanks for the replies.
my Annual mileage is around 15k
The prepaid credit is rubbish then, I won’t even get one full charge from it.
I am staying away from the MG recommend, it’s awful, I had one as …Ive worked out it could be slightly cheaper with an EV3 in fuel out of the two but thats being optimistic there may be times where it won’t be.
One id look at and it was very comfortable is the Hyundai Kona, the nline hybrid one has everything you’re looking for and it has a slightly bigger boot than the EV3. ADAS software is still great and I was gonna be going for this before the enyaq (the only reason I changed is because I was misled that a 150kg hoist could fit in it), if hoist matter to you it can handle a 100kg Apex Assist.
Although I will say the big thing is the EV3 is good value for money. I am sad the gt line s has been removed from it.
Do not go with an EV unless you can charge at home on a cheap overnight rate.
The prices for charging which Kezo mentions above are correct, but on the low side compared to others. I’ve seen 89p per kWh.
Anything more than about 50p per kWh and it’ll cost more to run than a petrol or diesel with the added a*se achery of trying to find a charger if your usual ones are full/out of order
2024 - BMW i4 Grand Coupe eDrive 35 Sport
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2017 - Audi Q3 TFSi Sport S-TronicIve worked out it could be slightly cheaper with an EV3 in fuel out of the two but thats being optimistic there may be times where it won’t be.
Based on Pod upto 50kWh @75p per kWh
Even if you assume a healthy 5 miles per kWh = 15p per mile
Based on an average 3.5mpkWh thats over 21p per mile
Average current petrol price £1.52l = 13.8p per mile
shaan200 wrote:
Ive worked out it could be slightly cheaper with an EV3 in fuel out of the two but thats being optimistic there may be times where it won’t be.
Based on Pod upto 50kWh @75p per kWh
Eve…Thats assuming they use pod point, they should look if theres bp pulse near by because the 7kwh rate is 52p which brings that down to 11.82p at 4.4 miles per kwh which the ev3 might optimistically get of course they can drop to 3.8 kwh which would then bring it up to 13.68p per kwh.
If we assume they never want to use slow chargers / only 50 kwh then that would change thinhs that would be bring it up to 69p kwh and that would work out at the 3.8kw at 18.16p.
This brings it to parity or more expensive.
But something like the Kona hybrid would be far more economically in this case.
Thats assuming they use pod point, they should look if theres bp pulse near by because the 7kwh rate is 52p
The problem with 7kWh chargers away from home is the time wasted waiting and parking is usually limited to c.2hrs to add little more than 50 miles of charge in that time.
@Azzy what is the maximum AP you want to put down?shaan200 wrote:
Thats assuming they use pod point, they should look if theres bp pulse near by because the 7kwh rate is 52p
The problem with 7kWh chargers away from home is the time wasted waiting and…It was only a suggestion on that side, but I did put the bp pulse 50kwh rates for that.
We haven’t factored in something here in the fact we dont know their accessibility requirements either, if they are a wheelchair user, or fatigue standing for sometime a public ev charger will cause issues, more so than doing fuel as normally you can contact someoje for assistance with a fuel pump. Atleast as a wheelchair user myself I would never go for an ev without a home charger.
Just after real world advice please. I’m in the current window to change, thank goodness. I’ve been looking at the ev3 although slightly small and the Cupra formentor. Totally different car prospects I know. im currently in a 2023 VW Tiguan which is perfect for my needs. With current prices I’m wanting to keep the AP as low as possible. Heated Seats and SUV are a must, so is minimal wind noise. Any other recommendations are welcome. i live in a flat but have 8 pod point chargers located, although I’ve heard they are expensive. also if you don’t get a charger, how much pre paid credit do motability offer, online is mixed results, so real world opinions are needs thanks
Unless you can charge off peak at home just walk away, there are plenty on hybrids similar to the Toyota’s range which will achieve 60mpg plus.
We have a plug in hybrid we only charge at home off peak, on holiday we use pure self charging hybrid mode achieving 50/60 mpg.
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
I would walk away from the EV with your 15,000 miles pa, if you cannot charge at home.
I just did 44,500 since end of April 2024 and if and when occasionally I drive to Newcastle, I feel for people who cannot charge at home: the trips are expensive.
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Apologies for briefness and spelling mistakes.Motability Skoda Enyaq SportLine 85x April 2024 (unhappy customer - Ombudsman pending)
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It reminds me of a smaller Lamborghini Urus.
I’ve been looking at the Cupra Tavascan albeit privately as the only one on the scheme is the base model and expensive for what it is.
It reminds me of a smaller Lamborghini Urus.I would look at some used Enyaqs if you’re looking at the Tavascan. I’d never buy new. Also the ID.5 or ID.4 is worth looking at.
i am on wpms so the ap’s are abot 1100 less than pip and i ordered 28 feb. i test drove the mini countryman monochrome,nissan quasqai and juke, ev3 and 4,mg hs hybrid+trophy,citroen c3 and c3 aircross, cupra formentor. the formentor was very nice but the ride was too rough for my spine. the rest the ride was ok and it mainly came down to bang for buck and the ap as i imposed a 0ap target and the hybrids all came with an ap. i narrowed it down to the mini countryman monochrome and the kia’s.the ev3 at the time had an ap and then i discovered the mini couldnt play music from a usb which i do all the time so the ev 4 won out and at 0ap i think a good deal. a bolter really was the c3 and c3 aircross the interior and the driver screens were excellant the only drawback was the ap for the hybrid and the range for the electric compared to the kia’s. ap wise the ev3 is now a better price but i preferred the ev4 version of the air trim in the ev3 the air trim was a lot of grey. the ev4 cabin feels that bit higher quality and easier on the eye.
I had not considered the mini countryman, I’ll have a look at it, thanks.
The reason for looking at the ev3 was the price. I just want the best SUV I can get for my needs under £2k.
i honestly can’t see how the future looks for motability, I’m just glad I can order from now. If I could extend the Tiguan I would
I would walk away from the EV with your 15,000 miles pa, if you cannot charge at home. I just did 44,500 since end of April 2024 and if and when occasionally I drive to Newcastle, I feel for people who cannot charge at home: the trips are expensive.
I may have to if charging is expensive.
I live in London but often travel 100miles daily north bound, so electric may not be an option
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I live 5 minutes away from BP pulse, also 150kw chargers at Esso and 5 minutes from Tesco.
I live in London so am spoilt for places I can charge without using the Pod Point chargers outside my flat, although more convenient.
I do have a mk2 golf GTI which I drive on nicer days and days my body lets me and I also have a 2021 L3 auto transit van, so I could use the van more if needed but sometimes I just want to be comfortable.
Ive driven the van a lot more, it’s fully loaded (heated seats, auto etc) which makes it rare and have only put 7k miles on the Tiguan in 12 months.
I’m thinking for longer trips I do have access to other cars owned by my siblings.
The price increase has really messed things up and part of me wonders if they have applied a percentage of the Vat and insurance premiums from now to lessen the blow for July but I’m sure this is illegal.
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I live 5 minutes away from BP pulse, also 150kw chargers at Esso and 5 minutes from Tesco.
I live in London so am spoilt for places I can charge without using the Pod Point charge…My recommendation is looking at rhe Kona hybrid N Line as it meets what you want in terms of heated seats albeit the advance payment is a bit higher, itll give you decent fuel economy plus good tech.
I’ve been looking at the Cupra Tavascan albeit privately as the only one on the scheme is the base model and expensive for what it is. It reminds me of a smaller Lamborghini Urus.
I would look at some used Enyaqs if you’re looking at the Tavascan. I’d never buy new. Also the ID.5 or ID.4 is worth looking at.
I would never buy an EV full stop atm, especially a used one with the likely battery degradation rendering them worthless in the future.
Battery degradation is not that big of an isue as atleast in VW cars you get a pretty long warranty on the car battery. VW cover 70% capacity retention at 8 years or 100K miles. I will say they do lose value, but if you can charge at home, the off peak rates make it worth it. When my partner charges their car at off peak we pay 3.6p a kwh in electricity for the full house.
Per mile that works out to between 0.9 – 1.2p a mile, plus all the savings on electricity on the rest of our house.
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