- This topic has 22 replies, 6 voices, and was last updated 5 years, 3 months ago by
.
- Topic
Just a thought in these freezing conditions, well up here in Scotland anyway, how has your range been affected?
- Replies
I was fully charged this morning & the car said 124 miles, but the GOM is pessimistic, I’d get around 140.
After doing 67 miles the GOM was saying it had 74 miles left, so 141 so the 140 figure is good. Alas I then supped a quick 10kWh from a Polar (BP Pulse) rapid, so the rest of the day’s driving figures became sketchy.
Pug e-2008
What % decrease in range is the cold weather causing…. Reviews I have seen online are suggesting 30-50% decreases are expected.
Is the cold weather more of an impact on range than hight motorway speed ie 70mph continuously?
I was recently looking at reviews of the 64kwh kona, at 70mph at 0 degrees temperature, the miles dropped from 245 (on a warm sunny day) down to 170 miles… That’s approx a 31% drop in range.
It hasn’t i drive a petrol. Another win for combustion engines
Fully charged the guessometer displays a range of 186 miles, in reality that’s a different case as I average between 120-130 miles doing around 60-65mph. The range will vastly drop further if going above this speed as with any EV, that being said I have no regrets being my first BEV.
Hopefully range will improve in the warmer months.
Even combustion engines use more fuel in cold weather, so you’re comment isn’t quite accurate. Also, the question wasn’t a comparison of the two more an enquiry of those who use EV’s plus most of us have used conventional powered vehicles so again, on two points you’re comment is neither helpful, insightful or needed.
It hasn’t i drive a petrol. Another win for combustion engines
At this time of year on a ICE unit your are looking around at least 10% drop of in efficiency.
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
Brydo our Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV the EV range has dropped from around 33/34 to 16 miles with the electric heating on, however with the regeneration system on a 30 mile journey starting with a full charge around 65mpg and a 70 mile journey around 50mpg.
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
Another question ys what does freezing conditions do for petrol and diesel mileage.
in parts of North America tgen can’t have diesels, as the fuel thickens up to the extent ut can’t be used
Another question ys what does freezing conditions do for petrol and diesel mileage. in parts of North America tgen can’t have diesels, as the fuel thickens up to the extent ut can’t be used
Many of years ago the old trick was to add a gallon of petrol to the diesel, however, the old diesel engine were no were as sophisticated as todays modern diesels, the old engines had mechanical fuel injection pump plus in those days the old fashion lead petrol, modern unleaded petrol is not so forgiving.
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
It hasn’t i drive a petrol. Another win for combustion engines
Petrol engines are around 30% efficient to begin with, and with winter dropping that another 10 % so you’ve already lost around 73% of what you could potentially get out of the fuel.
EVs start from about 95% efficiency, so a reduction of around 30% in winter still leaves petrol cars looking like the filthy old dinosaurs they are, slow & inefficient.
The question on my mind is?
What effect does using the heating (maybe even heated seats as well, as some people do need them) heated door mirrors and a heated windscreen as they will keep misting up and it’s at night so you need the lights on (maybe even full beam which on my newest car is auto) and it could be foggy so you need the fog lights on also for a bit (front and rears) or the wipers going if it’s wet or spray from the gritting thats been done.. While using adaptive cruise control so the radar & cameras need power also and you travelling at 70 mph for at least, 130 miles of the 140 miles journey.
Plus also your kids need power for their devices (or they’ll have a break down) on the way to grannys which is 140 miles away and of course your using the infotainment system for sounds and sat nav as well.
What then? Is a pretty standard journey we do..
Or the other one i do every other friday to pickup my other daughter from school from the midlands to yorkshire and back thats around another 140 mile round trip.
The difference isn’t as wide though. The greatest drain on an EV after traction in winter is heating. A petrol engine provides heat as a bi-product of combustion so comes for free.
yorkshire
Free charging, oh, such a dilemma in Yorkshire 🙂
You make some good points about heating, in winter I drive with it set to 21C and I also use the seat heater, so if I turned that lot off I’d get a few more miles. Preconditioning whilst connected to a charger saves a kWh of battery which is helpful.
My radar & camera will always be active anyway (except when it turns itself off for some french reason).
LED headlights, yes, they use a fair bit less that the old halogens, it’s all LED lighting except the boot light.
Wipers I don’t know how much that will take from the range, mine were going occasionally today. However, I’d caution that you do lose a lot of range on wet roads.
As for children, aren’t they disease vectors? you are carrying such creatures in your car? How do you get the snot out of the suede seats? And you allow them to have electronic devices that are beyond us older mortals learning capabilities?
The difference isn’t as wide though. The greatest drain on an EV after traction in winter is heating. A petrol engine provides heat as a bi-product of combustion so comes for free.
Yes, this has been a problem in some of the hybrids where it either takes an age for the car to warm up or with the PHEVs the petrol engine has to be running to have heat.
Some EVs use a heat pump to make the heating much more efficient, mine has one, but as temperatures dive sub-zero even a heat pump isn’t so efficient. The trick here is to precondition the car whilst connected to the mains electricity so it starts off nice & toasty and the rest is just maintaining that.
Preconditioning is one of the most desirable features of EVs when fossil car drivers are scraping the ice off the windows whilst you are looking up from your breakfast to see your car de-icing itself & heating itself before you even leave the house.
If you don’t have a driveway, I guess you cannot pre heat the car, I have a trick it’s warm water from the tap in a plastic bag, great at de-icing, especally for me as i have bad shoulders and i cannot do that scraping.
It’s north yorkshire i go to he he.. I don’t think my daughter after school will thank me for the time spent waiting for a charge to get home back to notts and i already leave 2 hrs before i due to pick her up we get back to the midlands about 5pm ish. So its 3 hrs at least constant driving, there and back, mainly motorway and of course the parts of the a1 that is not motorway still..
So until a cars on the scheme that can deffo do that trip. It’s just a non starter and is why i asked. As for the kids they are the future so someone has to have them or we will be all extinct.
If you don’t have a driveway, I guess you cannot pre heat the car, I have a trick it’s warm water from the tap in a plastic bag, great at de-icing, especally for me as i have bad shoulders and i cannot do that scraping. It’s north yorkshire i go to he he.. I don’t think my daughter after school will thank me for the time spent waiting for a charge to get home back to notts and i already leave 2 hrs before i due to pick her up we get back to the midlands about 5pm ish. So its 3 hrs at least constant driving, there and back, mainly motorway and of course the parts of the a1 that is not motorway still.. So until a cars on the scheme that can deffo do that trip. It’s just a non starter and is why i asked. As for the kids they are the future so someone has to have them or we will be all extinct.
You can preheat the car if it’s not plugged in, it just takes a kWh out of the battery doing the preheating. Other constraints on my car are things like needing more than 50% state of charge for preheat to work. Pre-cooling the car last summer when it was 35C was also most welcome.
Currently the only 2 cars on the scheme that will do those mileages in winter are the Kia Soul & the Hyundai Kona 64kWh, you’ll get 160 miles or more even in winter, the summer ranges are at leat 260 miles. The car we need on the scheme is the Kia eNiro with the same sort of range but better load space.
In 3 years time I’m hoping that EVs with longer ranges will be available on the scheme, say 350-400 miles, but it’s wait & see.
As for children, they are indeed our future & I also hatched one for that purpose, I got around the snot-in-suede problem by simply replacing the car with a new one & giving the son the old one…. he gets to deal with his own snot.
Petrol car drivers don’t need to ask these sorts of questions as we can fuel up without any range anxiety, another big win for combustion engines, quick convenient and worry free driving
yorkshire
https://www.speakev.com/threads/engie-rapid-chargers-in-west-yorkshire-which-are-free-to-use-until-october-2021.143240/ Free charging, oh, such a dilemma in Yorkshire You make some good points about heating, in winter I drive with it set to 21C and I also use the seat heater, so if I turned that lot off I’d get a few more miles. Preconditioning whilst connected to a charger saves a kWh of battery which is helpful. My radar & camera will always be active anyway (except when it turns itself off for some french reason). LED headlights, yes, they use a fair bit less that the old halogens, it’s all LED lighting except the boot light. Wipers I don’t know how much that will take from the range, mine were going occasionally today. However, I’d caution that you do lose a lot of range on wet roads. As for children, aren’t they disease vectors? you are carrying such creatures in your car? How do you get the snot out of the suede seats? And you allow them to have electronic devices that are beyond us older mortals learning capabilities?
Thanks for this, the one in Morley is very near my offices so i will be popping in for some freebie juice from there.
----------------------------
Hyundai Ioniq 6 Ultimate trim
----------------------------
Loves 3D printing & Plastic model kits
----------------------------Petrol car drivers don’t need to ask these sorts of questions as we can fuel up without any range anxiety, another big win for combustion engines, quick convenient and worry free driving
Ali like you I used to be a sceptic as we tow a caravan probably more of a sceptic, and few years ago my reservation was founded, however, EV technology, batteries and regenerative energy harvesting in the last few years have come in leaps and bounds, within a few years before the 2030 ban ICE cars will be a thing of the past.
Rather than dismiss all this technology maybe your next car could be a hybrid once your experience all the harvesting of all that wasted energy when you slow down, brake or even going downhill you will begin to understand, you are paying for all that energy so why not recuperate some of it, you could use that wasted energy to accelerate up to speed, you will be surprised how much energy it takes to accelerate, once up to speed you require less energy.
Ali our Motability lease is a Outlander PHEV, to date our fuel cost have plummet to less than half, if I went full electric probably half that again.
Unfortunately I have suffered a brain injury and occasionally I get confused and often say the wrong thing.
Good article here about EVs in winter conditions.
https://insideevs.com/news/404632/winter-range-test-best-evs-cold-weather/
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.